yeah, but if the moms try to discipline the girls, they hollar abuse or whatever, and the parents are given grief so what then? sigh....the kids simply do not see the long range results of what they are doing.

I can recall "giving my parents grief" and i think they gave me a crack in the mouth and a grounding in return. It seems like most parents are either too tired or too busy to care about discipline or laying down the law and then enforcing it. Ever read that Dear Abby essay, something about "I have the worst parents in the world..."? It says volumes!