Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Timbo and Teonan are very hard to figure out. Sometimes it sounds like they think we should give all of America back to the Indians. I am sure you don't want that? But they won't come out and say that. They refuse to be pinned down on what they want. So trying to debate with them is a real exercise in futility. That is what I meant.
Excuse me Kyle, but being in solidarity with Indigenous folks does not allow Timbo or I the arrogance of defining their deepest concerns or calling the shots. And if I may respectfully speak for Timbo by adding - nor would we.

Here is an excellent resource of information if you are truly interested in understanding what THEY want.

The International Indian Treaty Council (IITC) is an organization of Indigenous Peoples from North, Central, South America, the Caribbean and the Pacific working for the Sovereignty and Self Determination of Indigenous Peoples and the recognition and protection of Indigenous Rights, Treaties, Traditional Cultures and Sacred Lands.

The IITC was founded in 1974 at a gathering on the Standing Rock Reservation, Lakota Nation Territory (South Dakota, USA) attended by more than 5000 representatives of 98 Indigenous Nations. The symbol of the sacred pipe uniting the hemisphere was chosen for IITC by the elders to represent the common bonds of spirituality, ties to the land and respect for traditional culture and spirituality which is common to all Indigenous Peoples.

IITC serves as a voice and advocate for the human rights of Indigenous Peoples, communities and tribes locally, nationally and internationally. One of IITC’s guiding principles affirms that “Indigenous Peoples speak for themselves before the world community” as an integral aspect of self-determination. IITC builds and facilitates the direct participation of Indigenous Peoples in local, regional, national and international events and gatherings addressing their rights and survival, and through information dissemination, networking and coalition building, advocacy, training and technical assistance. IITC’s core programs include Defending Human Rights, Food Sovereignty, Environmental Health and Sustainability, and Treaty Rights.

In 1977, IITC was the first Indigenous organization to receive Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). In July 2011, IITC became the first Indigenous organization to be upgraded to “General Consultative Status” by ECOSOC. This upgrade was made in recognition of IITC’s long-standing and wide-ranging participation in the United Nations system representing the concerns of Indigenous Peoples and working for the development and implementation of international standards and mechanisms recognizing the rights of Indigenous Peoples.

IITC website:
Thank you. This is the most intelligent post I have seen posted by you or Timbo yet. Are these groups making any progress in having their desires met? What makes me wonder is their desire for land. How do we give them land without taking it away from someone else? There is only a finite amount of land and they aren't making any more.