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#1504291 --- 08/30/17 02:22 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/stuck-north-korea-long-haul-212515113.html

We’re stuck with North Korea for the long haul

Steve Bannon was right.

Before leaving his job as a strategic adviser to President Donald Trump on Aug. 18, Bannon said in a defiant interview that “there’s no military solution [to North Korea]. Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that 10 million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes … there’s no military solution here, they got us.”

After North Korea fired a missile over Japan on Aug. 28 — arguably, an act of war — Trump said in a statement that “all options are on the table.” But all options are not on the table. In fact, there may be only one way forward on the Korean standoff, with investors having no choice but to live with the nerve-wracking risks.

Trump wants North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un to believe the United States is willing to launch a preemptive military strike to halt or destroy North Korea’s nuclear program, which most likely consists of several nuclear devices and missiles that will soon be able to carry those weapons to much of the United States. It’s prudent for Trump to send that message to Kim since he’d be tying his own hands and limiting his negotiating power by saying otherwise.

But as Bannon said, a military option is implausible, for one obvious reason: The bloodshed would be horrifying. Any shooting war would allow North Korea plenty of time to lob thousands of artillery shells at Seoul before the United States and its allies are able to eliminate the threat. It’s also now possible Kim could launch a nuke at Japan, the U.S. territory of Guam or even the continental United States before American bombs shut him down. The death toll would be so large no commander-in-chief would order such action, and if he or she did, the Pentagon would probably find a way not to carry out the order.

China has more leverage over North Korea than any other nation, but as Trump is learning, China has reasons to keep Kim in power and use him as a counterweight to America’s presence in South Korea. Trump can still lean harder on China and threaten sanctions there, but China is a huge U.S. trading partner and what hurts China would hurt American interests, too.

Finally, there is covert action, including the possible assassination of Kim. That could include cyber warfare that sabotages North Korean weaponry. But North Korea seems as impervious to covert action as anyplace, and Kim’s personal security is so rigorous that hardly anybody knows where he is at any given moment. So while it’s possible Kim could be assassinated — by internal factions or foreign interests — that possibility seems remote.

That leaves one likely outcome: simply tolerating North Korea as it is and doing whatever is necessary to contain the threat it poses. “Deterrence is the most likely outcome,” says Sue Mi Terry of the consulting firm Bower Group Asia, who was a former senior analyst on North Korea at the CIA. “Trump will never say that, but we are living with a nuclear North Korea, just as we live with a nuclear Russia and a nuclear China. It’s only whether we want to admit that or not.”
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#1504448 --- 09/05/17 09:33 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: kyle585]
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Thank your buddy Obama for this mess!

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#1504455 --- 09/06/17 01:52 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Thank your buddy Obama for this mess!
This mess has been going on for 70 years and you blame Obama. sigh At least we are still alive. We might not be at the end of Trumps WWIII.
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#1504616 --- 09/10/17 08:11 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: kyle585]
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Obama is the one under whose supposed leadership let things grow out of control tremendously!

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#1504627 --- 09/10/17 09:20 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Obama is the one under whose supposed leadership let things grow out of control tremendously!

Strong words. Link please.
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#1504628 --- 09/11/17 01:55 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Obama is the one under whose supposed leadership let things grow out of control tremendously!

Strong words. Link please.
Gassy doesn't believe in links or cut and pastes or facts. He just blabbers on.
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#1504640 --- 09/11/17 12:22 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Obama is the one under whose supposed leadership let things grow out of control tremendously!

Strong words. Link please.
Gassy doesn't believe in links or cut and pastes or facts. He just blabbers on.
It's called common sense which you two lack! North Korea and ISIS both grew out of control under Obama! As far as blabbering on I think you win that prize Kyle!

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#1504642 --- 09/11/17 12:24 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Obama is the one under whose supposed leadership let things grow out of control tremendously!

Strong words. Link please.


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/cia-director-isis-has-grown-4400-percent-under-obama/


https://worldpoliticus.com/2017/08/11/shocking-evidence-obama-administration-fire-north-korea-ties/


Edited by gassy one (09/11/17 12:29 PM)

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#1504647 --- 09/11/17 01:34 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Obama is the one under whose supposed leadership let things grow out of control tremendously!

Strong words. Link please.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/cia-director-isis-has-grown-4400-percent-under-obama/


https://worldpoliticus.com/2017/08/11/shocking-evidence-obama-administration-fire-north-korea-ties/
Well congratulations on providing links. I see no reason why you can't do that every time.
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#1504648 --- 09/11/17 01:36 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/washington-free-beacon-conservative-investigative-media/

The scoop that put Paul on the spot “and led him to blame the media” didn’t come from the New York Times, a Kentucky paper, or even a Democratic opposition researcher. Credit belonged to Alana Goodman, a reporter at the Washington Free Beacon, an avowedly conservative website that had launched just a year and a half earlier.

Nonetheless, the Beacon‘s goals have become increasingly ambitious. In August, Goldfarb and Matthew Continetti, the editor in chief, declared that the site would one day take “its rightful place alongside the New York Times and the Washington Post.” That goal may not be so reality-based—those papers together employ some 1,800 journalists—but the Beacon has already proved its reporters can write the kind of stories it takes to shake things up. Conservatives “have better opinion journalism,” Goldfarb says, “but that has not been sufficient to win the fights. You need facts, and facts are in short supply on the right.”
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#1504649 --- 09/11/17 01:42 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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A lot of fake news here.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/websites-post-fake-satirical-stories/

Worldpoliticsnow.com has disclaimer that says: “By operating the Website, World Politics Now does not represent or imply that it endorses the material there posted, or that it believes such material to be accurate, useful or non-harmful.”
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#1504650 --- 09/11/17 01:45 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
It's called common sense which you two lack!
Common sense is great. Common sense is important. But it doesn't develop out of thin air.
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#1504676 --- 09/11/17 02:08 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: kyle585]
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Talking about thin air! LOL!

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#1504679 --- 09/11/17 02:10 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Talking about thin air! LOL!
Talking about hot air.
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#1504687 --- 09/11/17 02:18 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: kyle585]
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That would be you sore loser liberals!



Edited by gassy one (09/11/17 02:19 PM)

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#1504717 --- 09/12/17 08:08 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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#1504720 --- 09/13/17 04:05 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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Wow. Another link. Maybe you are learning!
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#1504769 --- 09/14/17 02:56 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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FROM FOX NEWS. Where oh where is gassy?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/14/north-korea-expert-no-way-to-stop-kim-jong-uns-regime.html

There’s “no way to stop” Kim Jong Un’s regime and its missile and nuclear program, a North Korea expert told Fox News on Thursday, the warning coming amid Pyongyang's continued threats to sink Japan and blast the U.S. “into ashes and darkness.”

Leading Seoul-based North Korea expert Andrei Lankov told Fox News that Kim Jong Un is accelerating his missile and nuclear program “much faster than anybody expected.”

“They want to get the point of having a sufficient number of intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of destroying a sufficient number of American cities,” Lankov said.

North Korea's state media on Sept. 3 said leader Kim Jong Un inspected the loading of a hydrogen bomb into a new intercontinental ballistic missile.

The expert expressed doubt about reining in North Korea’s trajectory in achieving its military goal, adding the use of any “military force” would send the peninsula into war. He said sanctions and regional diplomacy wouldn’t work, either.

“I don’t think, unfortunately, there is no way to stop them,” Lankov said. “No way…A use of military force, but that would result in a second Korean war. That would be an absolute disaster.”
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