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#1497568 --- 04/08/17 09:36 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
bluezone Offline
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Forermac
I'm getting a royal laugh out of the fact that I receive a nice pension and comfortable lifestyle
Originally Posted By: Formermac
What insurance do you possess?

a business 'owner' with a comfortable lifestyle still relying on obamacare to pay for is healthcare needs... whistle

STILL don't have a clue how "Obamacare" works, do you? shocked



do tell how obamacare works for a supposedly 'successful' business owner?

one would think that he would not qualify for it

unless he ain't that 'successful' whistle
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#1497569 --- 04/08/17 09:37 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Be nice Timbo, like seeing a rerun for the 98th time, we know the outcome but it's always fun to watch the ending which is never pretty.





grin
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#1497579 --- 04/08/17 11:49 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
Timbo Offline
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Formermac
I'll get my licence

what is a 'licence'?

you got lice?

grin

... replies the guy incapable of using punctuation.
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#1497991 --- 04/20/17 03:30 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
kyle585 Offline
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Sometimes I am forced to agree with George Will.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...m=.c95287109fa3

Whatever replaces Obamacare will look a lot like Obamacare

Mend it, don’t end it” was President Bill Clinton’s rhetorical straddle regarding affirmative action. Republican efforts to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) look increasingly like “mend it, don’t end it.”

The problem is not that, as is frequently said, no entitlement can be ended. The most consequential legislation of the 1990s, the 1996 welfare reform, repealed a portion of the 1935 Social Security Act, which, through Aid to Families with Dependent Children, conferred a lifetime entitlement to welfare. Perhaps entitlements for the middle class are immortal. We shall see, as Social Security and Medicare as currently configured approach insolvency.

Meanwhile, Republicans who repeatedly voted to repeal the ACA — before voters gave them congressional majorities and a president who would sign a repeal — now must replace it. They must do so in conditions that have changed since, and partly because of, the ACA.

It is unknowable whether President Barack Obama produced an American consensus in favor of a government obligation to guarantee universal access to health insurance, or whether the debate surrounding the ACA merely catalyzed a gradually forming consensus. In any case, today’s debate about replacing the ACA is occurring in the context of that consensus. And in the context of several other new beliefs: Health insurance should not be denied because of an applicant’s preexisting medical conditions. And federal law should provide a refundable tax-credit entitlement and require that children up to age 26 be eligible for coverage under their parents’ insurance.

Furthermore, Republicans are insufficiently radical as they largely accept this third-party payer system that distorts decisions about recourse to the health-care system: About 180 million Americans are covered by employer-provided insurance, which is not taxed as what it obviously is — compensation. Republicans have abandoned a measure to treat as taxable income a small portion of the most generous employer-provided insurance plans, and have postponed for a nearly decade — meaning, probably, forever — the “Cadillac tax” on such plans.

Given all this, it is probable that whatever replaces the ACA’s tapestry of subsidies, regulations and mandates will be a tapestry of subsidies, regulations and mandates. The differences probably will constitute substantial improvements but will hardly constitute a revolution in the relation of the citizen, or the health-care sector, to the government.

Today, this sector is one-sixth of the American economy and larger than all but four national economies. It has been observed that if in 1900 America had had sophisticated national income statistics, the health-care sector would have been too negligible to notice: Most Americans then were born and died at home, and rudimentary medicine was mostly for making sick people as comfortable as possible while nature healed or killed them.

As a subject of political contention, medicine’s importance has risen rapidly with its competence. In 1900, 37 percent of American deaths were from infectious diseases; today 2 percent are. Medicine has advanced from the conquest of infectious diseases to the management of chronic ailments. And to the center of American politics.

Legislative bargaining often is additive: Supporters of legislation A endorse legislation B so that its advocates will reciprocate by supporting A. By this process a coalition (and government) grows. However, congressional bargaining about replacing/mending the ACA might become an exercise in subtraction. The debate is making clear that the expansion of a 52-year-old program, Medicaid, is the most important aspect of the seven-year-old ACA. Twenty Republican senators represent states that expanded Medicaid and face budget agonies if the expansion is abruptly reversed. But many Republican representatives and senators believe it should be. Perhaps this is a difference that can be split. If not, adding the support of some legislators will subtract that of others.

A religious skeptic in 19th-century England proposed carving three words over the portals of all the nation’s churches: “Important if true.” These words should be affixed to the Congressional Budget Office’s projections about how many more people would be uninsured in 2026 under House Speaker Paul D. Ryan’s replacement proposal (24 million) and the effect of it on the deficit (a $337 billion reduction over 10&#8201;years).

Conservatives warn against the fatal conceit of thinking that one can predict the consequences of comprehensive government interventions in complex systems. Now many Republicans say they know that the CBO is wrong and that they can structure incentives to accomplish more skillfully, and with less comprehensive health-care planning, what the ACA attempted. This confidence is important, whether or not it is true.
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#1497994 --- 04/20/17 07:39 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
cwjga Offline
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Registered: 11/06/08
Posts: 9528
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Forermac
I'm getting a royal laugh out of the fact that I receive a nice pension and comfortable lifestyle
Originally Posted By: Formermac
What insurance do you possess?

a business 'owner' with a comfortable lifestyle still relying on obamacare to pay for is healthcare needs... whistle

STILL don't have a clue how "Obamacare" works, do you? shocked



do tell how obamacare works for a supposedly 'successful' business owner?

one would think that he would not qualify for it

unless he ain't that 'successful' whistle



He can't because it does not work.
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#1497998 --- 04/20/17 08:19 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
kyle585 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/09
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Forermac
I'm getting a royal laugh out of the fact that I receive a nice pension and comfortable lifestyle
Originally Posted By: Formermac
What insurance do you possess?
a business 'owner' with a comfortable lifestyle still relying on obamacare to pay for is healthcare needs... whistle
STILL don't have a clue how "Obamacare" works, do you? shocked
do tell how obamacare works for a supposedly 'successful' business owner? one would think that he would not qualify for it unless he ain't that 'successful' whistle
He can't because it does not work.
The Democrats agree to making changes. Even George Will says any Republican plan will be very similar. Polls show it is more popular than ever. Republicans who hold town halls are blasted nationwide for trying to get rid of it.
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#1498090 --- 04/24/17 07:07 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
kyle585 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/09
Posts: 12683
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His health care plan? I didn't know he even had one! What a joke!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/24/trump-healthcare-premiums-tweet-237530

President Donald Trump on Monday pledged that his yet-to-be-unveiled health care plan will cause premiums to “start tumbling down” and produce “real” health care.
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