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#1502202 --- 07/23/17 02:09 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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He said he had a 6 figure income. Now it sounds like he has no income other than Social Security? That is mighty poor planning right off the top. I didn't hear him mention Obamacare? Regardless both parties in congress need to work together and come up with better health care for all Americans like single payer or Medicare for all.
How do you propose to pay for that Kyle?
All Americans pay into Medicare now. Raise the amount they pay there and they would need no other health insurance.
Sounds easy! The only problem is the ones that pay would have a 1000% increase you moron!
How in the heck do you figure that? The amount you pay into Medicare should be about the same as you know an insurance minus the health insurance CEO's who make millions a year.
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#1502247 --- 07/23/17 07:45 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: cwjga
He said he had a 6 figure income. Now it sounds like he has no income other than Social Security? That is mighty poor planning right off the top. I didn't hear him mention Obamacare? Regardless both parties in congress need to work together and come up with better health care for all Americans like single payer or Medicare for all.
How do you propose to pay for that Kyle?
All Americans pay into Medicare now. Raise the amount they pay there and they would need no other health insurance.
Sounds easy! The only problem is the ones that pay would have a 1000% increase you moron!
How in the heck do you figure that? The amount you pay into Medicare should be about the same as you know an insurance minus the health insurance CEO's who make millions a year.
It's based on usage DUMBO! If more people use it the cost will go up! OH BOY!

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#1502252 --- 07/23/17 07:51 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
It's based on usage DUMBO! If more people use it the cost will go up! OH BOY!

Clearly you've never even heard of the "Economy of Scale". Dude, that's like Economics 101. eek

Talk about your "Dumbos".
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#1502280 --- Yesterday at 11:02 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
It's based on usage DUMBO! If more people use it the cost will go up! OH BOY!

Clearly you've never even heard of the "Economy of Scale". Dude, that's like Economics 101. eek

Talk about your "Dumbos".
So you are saying Medicare rates wouldn't rise? OH BOY! DUMBO!

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#1502310 --- Yesterday at 03:07 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Revealed: Whopping 73 Percent of CBO's 'Lost Coverage' Estimate Comes From Individual Mandate Repeal

"So fully 73 percent of "lost" coverage would arise from individuals making a choice to exit the marketplace after the federal government ceased requiring every American to purchase insurance. "
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#1502312 --- Yesterday at 03:21 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/election...unteers-n785796


They Voted Trump and Need Health Care. A Democrat-Doctor Volunteers


WISE, Va. ó For Whitney Smith Castle, the health care debate in Washington felt even further away than the 400 miles this corner of Virginiaís coal county is from Congress.

Her daughter was having health problems and she didnít know what to do.

"You have no idea how many times weíve been to doctors," she told the specialist at a free clinic set up at the county fairgrounds here that treats some 2,500 patients in a single weekend each year.
Image: Lt. Governor Ralph Northam arrives at the Wise County Fairgrounds to volunteer during the Remote Area Medical clinic, July 22, 2017, in Wise, Virginia.
Lt. Governor Ralph Northam arrives at the Wise County Fairgrounds to volunteer during the Remote Area Medical clinic, July 22, 2017, in Wise, Virginia. Raymond Thompson Jr. / for NBC News

Her 8-year-old daughter, Miranda Smith, looked up through blonde bangs at the pediatric neurologist ó who also happens to be the stateís lieutenant governor and a physician ó as he put a stethoscope to her chest. He provided a diagnosis and his cell phone number, assuring Castle that everything should be fine.

Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, running for governor as a Democrat, had just come from his first debate against Republican Ed Gillespie that morning. The two had argued about the GOP plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act ó and now Northam was treating those who had fallen through its cracks.

"Just another day at work," Northam said in the drawl of Virginia's rural Eastern Shore.

Wise County voted 80 percent for Donald Trump, but with unemployment, poverty and disability rates all above the national average, most of the patients here didn't care about whether the White House would prevail in the health care debate raging in D.C. or what version of the GOP plan would be voted on. They just wanted care.
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#1502318 --- Yesterday at 05:12 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
It's based on usage DUMBO! If more people use it the cost will go up! OH BOY!

Clearly you've never even heard of the "Economy of Scale". Dude, that's like Economics 101. eek

Talk about your "Dumbos".
So you are saying Medicare rates wouldn't rise? OH BOY! DUMBO!

I'm saying that they rise primarily due to runaway costs as a result of corporate greed, a near catastrophic Republican created recession and because Republicans have been for decades, raiding the Medicare coffers and not replacing it. And now they're at it AGAIN!

Your suggestion is, well...ass-backwards and ignorant of fundamental economics principals and that of the historical record.


http://www.kff.org/medicare/fact-sheet/medicare-spending-and-financing-fact-sheet/
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-medicare-costs-are-exploding-in-2013-2013-1
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/2017-medicare-premiums-and-deductibles/

Republicans and Medicare: A History:
https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/20/republicans-and-medicare-a-history/

Trumpcare Raids Medicare to Enrich the Wealthy and Plant a Bomb:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trum...4b0537abd956d5f

Inside the GOP's plans to raid the Treasury to enrich private companies:
https://www.google.com/#q=republicans+raided+medicare
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#1502337 --- Yesterday at 08:38 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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You seemed to forget the perils of Obamacare! Isn't that a coincidence! Obamacare is a failure admit it but you won't because of your ignorant liberal ways!

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#1502340 --- Yesterday at 08:41 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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The runaway costs are the result of Obamacare! Prices for healthcare have skyrocketed instead of going down like your buddy Obama proposed for Obamacare!

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#1502368 --- Today at 03:57 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-costs-growing-slower-than-normal-not-skyrocketing-2016-8

Bob Bryan Aug. 30, 2016

the growth for total health spending in the US based on data from the US Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services hit the lowest point in decades in 2013 and remains well below the long-run average.

While Kaiser projects that there will be some normalization in spending growth over the next 10 years, the Dallas Fed's and Kaiser's measures show that prices for healthcare aren't exactly ballooning.
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#1502370 --- Today at 04:05 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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A very informative article if you read it all gassy. Which I am sure you will not. You could learn a lot from it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/fact-checking-trump-s-remarks-health-care-n786146

Jul 24 2017, 5:50 pm ET
Fact Checking Trumpís Remarks on Health Care

by Benjy Sarlin and Jane C. Timm

Trump: Obamacare has caused "nothing but pain," the president said, later adding: "Obamacare is death, because itís failing." He concluded that Obamacare has ďbroken our healthcare system, itís broken, itís collapsing, itís gone."

Millions of people are still getting coverage through Obamacareís exchanges and its Medicaid expansion: The uninsured rate recently rose to 11.7 percent, according to Gallup, but is still far below its pre-Obamacare peak of 18 percent in 2013.

Despite claims Obamacare is "collapsing," thereís little evidence of an imminent failure.

The CBO has indicated Obamacare exchanges are stabilizing, although it suggested some sparsely populated areas may struggle to find insurers. Nor did it find various Republican replacements would make markets significantly more stable. A study by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation found insurer profits were up this year, which mirrored predictions by S&P Global Ratings that markets were likely to stabilize in the short term.

There is still significant turmoil looming for next year, however, including a handful of counties with no insurers lined up yet. But part of this has to do with Trump himself: Some insurers have said they plan to charge higher premiums because the White House and Congress wonít clarify whether they will make payments owed to insurers for lowering deductibles, among other concerns about their management of the law.
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