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#969397 --- 01/29/09 12:32 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
I'm not letting you suck me into your hatred pal... Give it up, that's all you talk about. You sound like a little kid that think's they got shorted a piece of candy... put a cork in it.



200 year land claims??????





So tell me Harley are the tribes "sovereign"??

?????

I don't care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fine something new to whine about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#969400 --- 01/29/09 12:36 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Can I be a Walloon Freedom Fighter? \:\/

Have you sent me my $929 million check for the year?
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#969417 --- 01/29/09 12:51 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Can I be a Walloon Freedom Fighter? \:\/

Have you sent me my $929 million check for the year?


Can you be a Walloon Freedom Fighter?
Yes, but only if your a Walloon.

Ahahahah... send you a check for 929 million, what are you from planet stupid. Bluezone you really do need to get a life.
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#969968 --- 01/29/09 05:11 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT

Can you be a Walloon Freedom Fighter?
Yes, but only if your a Walloon.


What are you fighting for?
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#969983 --- 01/29/09 05:38 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT

Can you be a Walloon Freedom Fighter?
Yes, but only if your a Walloon.


What are you fighting for?


Freedom!
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#969997 --- 01/29/09 05:57 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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hey harley I HATE NO ONE BECAUSE OF RACE COLOR OR CREED. I only want them to pay the same taxes as the rest of us. My inlaws actually have indian blood and they pay taxes why shouldn't the rest of them pay too. we are all americans no one should have any sovergianty within our borders.. the war is over they lost.. hey we let em live and stay here and become citizens of the united states of america..so we have done our fair share. It's long over due for this to become a dead issue. congress needs to put an end to this issue and close the case. never to be reopened. get rid of all reservations and turn them into national parks for all americans to enjoy. stop sniffing the fumes from your bike...I think they are affecting your brain cells man.

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#970060 --- 01/29/09 07:15 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT

Can you be a Walloon Freedom Fighter?
Yes, but only if your a Walloon.


What are you fighting for?


Freedom!


From who?
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#970063 --- 01/29/09 07:17 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT

Can you be a Walloon Freedom Fighter?
Yes, but only if your a Walloon.


What are you fighting for?


Freedom!


From who?

People like you!
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#970069 --- 01/29/09 07:22 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: jkjason]
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Originally Posted By: jkjason
hey harley I HATE NO ONE BECAUSE OF RACE COLOR OR CREED. I only want them to pay the same taxes as the rest of us. My inlaws actually have indian blood and they pay taxes why shouldn't the rest of them pay too. we are all americans no one should have any sovergianty within our borders.. the war is over they lost.. hey we let em live and stay here and become citizens of the united states of america..so we have done our fair share. It's long over due for this to become a dead issue. congress needs to put an end to this issue and close the case. never to be reopened. get rid of all reservations and turn them into national parks for all americans to enjoy. stop sniffing the fumes from your bike...I think they are affecting your brain cells man.


Ahahah.... that's like you crying about someone got a bigger piece of candy. I don't care if if they pay taxes or not as a matter of fact I don't care if you pay taxes. I just don't care.
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#970074 --- 01/29/09 07:28 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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One last thing please don't reply because I'm done with this thread, you people make me think of little kids fighting. Say what you want, but you nitwits need to go launder your clan hoods because you have a lot of hate on them.
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#970076 --- 01/29/09 07:29 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Ahahahah... send you a check for 929 million, what are you from planet stupid. Bluezone you really do need to get a life.


Ahahahah... send you a check for 929 million, what are you from planet Cayuga. Harley you really do need to get a life.
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#970090 --- 01/29/09 07:54 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Originally Posted By: jkjason
hey harley I HATE NO ONE BECAUSE OF RACE COLOR OR CREED. I only want them to pay the same taxes as the rest of us. My inlaws actually have indian blood and they pay taxes why shouldn't the rest of them pay too. we are all americans no one should have any sovergianty within our borders.. the war is over they lost.. hey we let em live and stay here and become citizens of the united states of america..so we have done our fair share. It's long over due for this to become a dead issue. congress needs to put an end to this issue and close the case. never to be reopened. get rid of all reservations and turn them into national parks for all americans to enjoy. stop sniffing the fumes from your bike...I think they are affecting your brain cells man.


Ahahah.... that's like you crying about someone got a bigger piece of candy. I don't care if if they pay taxes or not as a matter of fact I don't care if you pay taxes. I just don't care.


Now you are being totally riduclous. Who do you think is going to pay the taxes to keep our government running? We all need to pay our fair share. To say that you don't care if someone else pays their their fair share of taxes xmakes you a very irresponsable citizen.
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#970091 --- 01/29/09 07:55 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: jkjason]
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Originally Posted By: jkjason
hey harley I HATE NO ONE BECAUSE OF RACE COLOR OR CREED. I only want them to pay the same taxes as the rest of us. My inlaws actually have indian blood and they pay taxes why shouldn't the rest of them pay too. we are all americans no one should have any sovergianty within our borders.. the war is over they lost.. hey we let em live and stay here and become citizens of the united states of america..so we have done our fair share. It's long over due for this to become a dead issue. congress needs to put an end to this issue and close the case. never to be reopened. get rid of all reservations and turn them into national parks for all americans to enjoy. stop sniffing the fumes from your bike...I think they are affecting your brain cells man.


Very well said jkjason.
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#970566 --- 01/30/09 02:11 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT

Ahahah.... that's like you crying about someone got a bigger piece of candy. I don't care if if they pay taxes or not as a matter of fact I don't care if you pay taxes. I just don't care.



Have you sent me my $929 million dollar check yet?
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#970567 --- 01/30/09 02:11 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
One last thing please don't reply because I'm done with this thread, you people make me think of little kids fighting. Say what you want, but you nitwits need to go launder your clan hoods because you have a lot of hate on them.



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#970569 --- 01/30/09 02:12 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone

So tell me Harley are the tribes "sovereign"??

?????



run like the others
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#971089 --- 01/31/09 12:59 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Paterson to discuss the issue.
Big deal, you must be one big racist, because that's the only thing you whine about is the nations .



Nations?

tribes!

;\)



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#972599 --- 02/03/09 12:16 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians, but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

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#974356 --- 02/05/09 02:40 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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State sues smoke shops, officials

Drew Edmondson: The attorney general's lawsuit, filed on behalf of the Oklahoma Tax Commission, alleges a conspiracy by several smoke shop owners and Creek Nation officials to violate federal and state laws on Oklahoma cigarette sales.
By OMER GILLHAM World Staff Writer
Published: 2/5/2009 2:35 AM


The Oklahoma Tax Commission is suing more than a dozen Creek Nation smoke shop owners and several Creek Nation officials, alleging that they conspired to violate federal and state laws governing cigarette sales in Oklahoma.

Attorney General Drew Edmondson filed the lawsuit Wednesday in Tulsa County District Court.

The defendants include 15 individuals who own or operate Creek Nation- affiliated smoke shops, including Creek Nation Council member Steve Bruner. Additional defendants are Toney Lee, manager of Muscogee (Creek) Nation Tobacco Wholesale, and Garry Berryhill Sr., manager of Creek Nation Travel Plaza Enterprises.

Creek Nation Tobacco Wholesale is not licensed with the Oklahoma Tax Commission to sell tobacco products in Oklahoma, the lawsuit states.

The filing claims that "the object of the conspiracy was to produce unlawful profits and gain from the sale of cigarettes in violation of the Federal Contraband Cigarette Trafficking Act, the State Complementary Act and State Cigarette Tax Act."

The lawsuit highlights the bitter battle between the Tax Commission and smoke shop owners who have alleged that the state has not negotiated fairly with the tribe for a new tobacco compact.

For the past four years, the Creek Nation has refused to sign a new compact because it allegedly does not protect the historic tax advantage the tribe has had over nontribal retailers.

Without a tobacco compact, Creek-affiliated stores have created various methods of obtaining low-tax cigarettes and cigarettes without state tax stamps to compete in the Tulsa area, a high-tax zone, a Tulsa World investigation has shown.

From the state's point of view, these methods are a conspiracy. In essence, the Tax Commission is alleging that Creek Nation Tobacco Warehouse is coordinating the sale and delivery of millions of packs of cigarettes without Oklahoma tax stamps and which are not listed on the state's master cigarette directory.

The list is derived from the Master Settlement Agreement, reached with cigarette manufacturers in 1998. Seneca, King Mountain and Skydancer brand cigarettes are being sold by the smoke shops but are not on the list, the World investigation showed.

Smoke shop owners from Muskogee, Broken Arrow, Holdenville, Okemah, Tulsa, Okmulgee and elsewhere are alleged to be buying and selling cigarettes without an Oklahoma tax stamp, court records state. Additionally, many of the smoke shops are selling low-tax cigarettes that should be reserved for smoke shops along the Oklahoma border in competition with the tax rates of bordering states.

The lawsuit alleges that between February 2007 and May 2008, Creek Nation Tobacco Wholesale purchased or had delivered 5,330,100 packs of unstamped cigarettes to its headquarters in Okmulgee. The cigarettes allegedly were purchased from Native Wholesale Supply Co. by way of Nevada International Trade Corp., the operator of a foreign trade zone in Las Vegas. The cigarettes were manufactured by Grand River Enterprises Six Nations Ltd.

An investigation by the Tulsa World in August revealed that Native Wholesale Supply was being sued by the state on allegations that it violated the Master Settlement Agreement. The lawsuit was filed in May in Oklahoma County District Court and moved to federal court Aug. 6.

The Tax Commission says the conspiracy is costing the state millions of dollars in tax revenues that are designated to be spent on health initiatives and to reduce the number of smokers in Oklahoma.

The state is seeking damages for the loss of tax revenues caused by the alleged conspiracy and the sale of low-tax cigarettes in high-tax zones, court records show.
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#976024 --- 02/08/09 10:03 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone


Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot



My stats come from the US Census, BIA, NIGC, SBA and Dept. of Labor. Of course their stats are never "current". But from 1989 to 2003 percentage of household income increase for whites was 5%, Asian 6%, Hispanic 7%, Black 17%, and American Indian 32%. From 2000 to 2004 the American Indian population increased 23% from 2.2 to 2.7 million; federal spending on Indian programs increased 58% from $3.6 billion to $5.7 billion ; and tribal revenue from gambling increased 207% from $6.3 billion to $19.4 billion. American Indians moved from 4th to 3rd out of the five ethnic distinctions, ahead of Hispanic and Black.

Lets see - 19.4 billion in just gambling added to $5.7 billion in tax funded freebies = $25.1 billion for 2.7 million American Indians, or $929 million per Indian each YEAR . Even just using the $5.7 billion in taxes comes to $211 Million per Indian per year. This leads me to believe that your statement of the rich getting richer may be true, but your adding "not Native Americans" is false.




Harley how about you send me a yearly check for $929 million?

Or is it in the mail






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