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#939583 --- 12/16/08 07:49 PM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: LaughinWillow]
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Originally Posted By: LaughinWillow
I just think that saying that single mothers with small children should just go work is short-sighted. It doesn't benefit our society to have hundreds of thousands of children being raised in daycare so that their mothers can work at low-paying jobs (though it certainly benefits companies like McDonalds and WalMart). Further, child support requirements and enforcement for fathers in this country is laughable. Sure, these women "chose" to have these children, but they certainly didn't impregnate themselves. I suppose the answer is, "Well, of course the fathers should be taking care of their children," but THEY'RE NOT. It is the fathers, if anyone, who should be forced to work as wage slaves.

A perfect solution to all of this would be to make minimum wage a living wage. It is outrageous that anyone should have to work full time in this country for less than the poverty level. Especially when the people at the tops of the same companies are often making 300 times the lowest worker's salary. It just isn't right.


I think we need to put the small children back to work at below minimum wage.
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#939632 --- 12/16/08 08:43 PM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: LaughinWillow]
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Originally Posted By: LaughinWillow
I just think that saying that single mothers with small children should just go work is short-sighted. It doesn't benefit our society to have hundreds of thousands of children being raised in daycare so that their mothers can work at low-paying jobs (though it certainly benefits companies like McDonalds and WalMart). Further, child support requirements and enforcement for fathers in this country is laughable. Sure, these women "chose" to have these children, but they certainly didn't impregnate themselves. I suppose the answer is, "Well, of course the fathers should be taking care of their children," but THEY'RE NOT. It is the fathers, if anyone, who should be forced to work as wage slaves.

A perfect solution to all of this would be to make minimum wage a living wage. It is outrageous that anyone should have to work full time in this country for less than the poverty level. Especially when the people at the tops of the same companies are often making 300 times the lowest worker's salary. It just isn't right.



You once again fail to comprehend my point. If working mothers are not able to make ends meet on their wages, then they would be entitled to assistance. If they are not working, then well, too bad. They don't get assistance until they get a job.

And while I agree the fathers of these kids should also be supporting them, if they are not around or in some cases not even known, then these mothers have the sole responsibility to support these kids.

They had these kids, it is now their responsibility to support them. I'm sorry, but I didn't force them to get pregnant, they made the choice for themselves. Whether you like it or not, they need to face up to their responsibilities and take care of their own just like my parents did.


Edited by TRD_Tacoma (12/16/08 08:44 PM)
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#939674 --- 12/16/08 10:02 PM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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"but I didn't force them to get pregnant", Lol--Like there would ever be a fat chance in hell of that ever happening!

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#939732 --- 12/17/08 02:39 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: Ovidian]
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He is starting a war on obesity by taxing non-diet soda, yet Diet Soda has been proven to be addicting AND one of the additives in diet soda is a known carcinogen ....so WHO is going to pay for everyone's cancer treatments once they all switch to diet??
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#939751 --- 12/17/08 04:53 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: LaughinWillow]
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The bottom line is once again, through LACK OF LEADERSHIP, we pay. We paid while they spent like drunken sailors and now we pay to finance the debt it created. State or federal, we lack leadership and control and have from both parties.

Patterson must be on crack. While we desperately need the money, wages are leaving and declining in NY. How the hell are we supposed to live?
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#939774 --- 12/17/08 05:31 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: Mountain Man]
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Taxes on everything keep going up yet my pay remains the same WTF!
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#939785 --- 12/17/08 05:39 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: Scottie2Hottie]
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Gotta get outta the messes made by Bush and Pataki somehow.

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#939789 --- 12/17/08 05:44 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: ]
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I agree Festus..... but why are we spending Billions on bailing out companies that made poor financial decisions and have already made billions off of the taxpayers??? I made some poor choices in the past....so where is MY bailout??
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#939790 --- 12/17/08 05:45 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: Scottie2Hottie]
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Also the hole we are in in NYS started years ago with Cuomo....Pataki just didn't do anything about it
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#939801 --- 12/17/08 06:06 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: Scottie2Hottie]
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Originally Posted By: Scottie2Hottie
I agree Festus..... but why are we spending Billions on bailing out companies that made poor financial decisions and have already made billions off of the taxpayers??? I made some poor choices in the past....so where is MY bailout??


I completely disagree with any bailouts for the fat cats who got themselves in a jam.


Originally Posted By: Scottie2Hottie
Also the hole we are in in NYS started years ago with Cuomo....Pataki just didn't do anything about it


Agreed. Cuomo was worthless.

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#939821 --- 12/17/08 07:10 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Festus!
Gotta get outta the messes made by Bush and Pataki somehow.


Once again fetus you don't know what your talking and all you want to do is play the blame game. It all goes back to Clinton and Cuomo and you democrats with your corroding and disintegrating poison that you call liberalism.
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#939870 --- 12/17/08 08:49 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: Scottie2Hottie]
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Originally Posted By: Scottie2Hottie
He is starting a war on obesity by taxing non-diet soda, yet Diet Soda has been proven to be addicting AND one of the additives in diet soda is a known carcinogen ....so WHO is going to pay for everyone's cancer treatments once they all switch to diet??


Switch to something other than soda. How about water? It's refreshing, comes from your tap, and it is healthy.
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#939875 --- 12/17/08 08:54 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: Festus!
Gotta get outta the messes made by Bush and Pataki somehow.


Once again fetus you don't know what your talking and all you want to do is play the blame game. It all goes back to Clinton and Cuomo and you democrats with your corroding and disintegrating poison that you call liberalism.



I'll give ya Cuomo, he was an idiot. But so was Pataki.

You blamed Clinton for Bush's FIRST RECESSION. I won't even go there, your heart wouldn't stand it.
Tell me, EXACTLY, how Clinton is responsible for Bush's SECOND RECESSION.

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#939905 --- 12/17/08 09:32 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT

Once again fetus you don't know what your talking and all you want to do is play the blame game. It all goes back to Clinton and Cuomo and you democrats with your corroding and disintegrating poison that you call liberalism.


Bwah ha ha ha ha! What a laugh. Is it liberalism that called for near-complete deregulation of the entire banking industry? Is it liberalism that got us into a pointless war and never-ending occupation costing billions a month? It is liberalism that claimed that the "free market" would make everyone richer, or that unhampered consumption was the way to go with our economy? I don't think so. I've admitted lots of times that Clinton was as much to blame for our mess as anyone - the least you could do is admit that your republican "leaders" are just as guilty.

The fact is, the democrats in government are hardly "liberals" at all - I'm about as far left as you can get, and none of them represent me (except Kucinich). People like myself on the outer limits of liberalism have been warning for years that deregulation and mindless consumerism would eventually erode the middle class and bring down this economy. Thing is, far right constitutionalists like Ron Paul have as well. Guess all of us "fringe loonies" were the smart ones. Watching it happen, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. If I thought this situation would cause idiotic americans to wise up and realize that their "lawmakers" on BOTH SIDES are screwing them and destroying this planet, and then cast off these ruling elite scumbags, it would be cause for overwhelming joy. As it is, it seems that most people are too bought off by gadgets to do much of anything but whine about their 401K. Or like you, try desperately to pin it on the other guy. Because that just feels better than admitting that you've been duped.
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#939963 --- 12/17/08 10:58 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Festus!
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Originally Posted By: Festus!
Gotta get outta the messes made by Bush and Pataki somehow.


Once again fetus you don't know what your talking and all you want to do is play the blame game. It all goes back to Clinton and Cuomo and you democrats with your corroding and disintegrating poison that you call liberalism.



I'll give ya Cuomo, he was an idiot. But so was Pataki.

You blamed Clinton for Bush's FIRST RECESSION. I won't even go there, your heart wouldn't stand it.
Tell me, EXACTLY, how Clinton is responsible for Bush's SECOND RECESSION.the depression


Come Fester you know it's true! When your boy Slick Willy signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and repealing the Glass-Steagall Act. That started the ball or balls rolling to the greatest depression in our history.
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#939991 --- 12/17/08 11:41 AM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Both parties have acted in concert for well over twenty years. They are the same lying rats with different monikers.
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#940063 --- 12/17/08 01:30 PM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: Mountain Man]
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LOL, People think the fat tax is to force people to be healthy. Then the health club tax is what, to force people to be unhealthy? LOL You liberals are something else...... LOL

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#940071 --- 12/17/08 01:53 PM Re: Paterson "obesity tax" ahahah [Re: Night prowler]
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1. I dread the thought of seniors and poor people running around nude if they can not afford clothing. I will shop ebay if it comes to an increase in clothing tax.

2. I Drink more Iced Tea than soda, but like an occaisional Pepsi with Pizza or spicey wings. I hope this doesn't fly.

3. To all of you who voted in public servants who want Universal Health Care. What do you think is down the road if the Gov controls your Health? Hmmmm? I Shutter to think!
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