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#1007011 --- 04/09/09 01:21 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: trump]
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Again, I think it is because the laws are so confusing that the politicians don't have a clear understanding of the issues. On top of that they don't have the time or desire to research the history and court decisions. They choose to take the easy way out and the path of least resistance. They are too trusting of the Native Americans version of things. One thing the Cayugas are saying is that their ancestors were forced to sell their land back to NYS.

I wasn't there 200 years ago and neither were the current Cayugas. However, that doesn't make sense to me. Why would NYS force the Cayugas to sell there land back to the state and allow all the other tribes mentioned in the Treaty of Canandaigua to keep their lands? Doesn't really make any difference at this point in time. They sold it for whatever reason and all was good for 200 years before there was any complaints. Not only did they sell it but the terms of the sale were updated several times resulting in additional payments.

Seeing as how it has only been 5 years, I wonder if the person I sold my house to would be willing to re-negotiate and pay me more now. I sure could use the money. ;\)
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#1007081 --- 04/09/09 05:02 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Why would NYS force the Cayugas to sell there land back to the state and allow all the other tribes mentioned in the Treaty of Canandaigua to keep their lands?


The tribe will use any spin to keep their HUGE profits.
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#1007106 --- 04/09/09 05:43 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: bluezone]
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I assume you have read the twisted history Halftown provided the BIA in the Trust application. ;\)
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#1007142 --- 04/09/09 06:28 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: SilverFox]
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What else could he say when he has to spin the facts.
Did BJR vanish already?
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#1007234 --- 04/09/09 11:18 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: bluezone]
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Maybe she finally realized she was making a fool of herself repeating the twisted truth her employers fed her when she was presented with the real facts. There are always at least two sides to every story.


Edited by SilverFox (04/09/09 11:19 PM)
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#1007238 --- 04/09/09 11:55 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Again, I think it is because the laws are so confusing that the politicians don't have a clear understanding of the issues. On top of that they don't have the time or desire to research the history and court decisions. They choose to take the easy way out and the path of least resistance. They are too trusting of the Native Americans version of things. One thing the Cayugas are saying is that their ancestors were forced to sell their land back to NYS.

I wasn't there 200 years ago and neither were the current Cayugas. However, that doesn't make sense to me. Why would NYS force the Cayugas to sell there land back to the state and allow all the other tribes mentioned in the Treaty of Canandaigua to keep their lands? Doesn't really make any difference at this point in time. They sold it for whatever reason and all was good for 200 years before there was any complaints. Not only did they sell it but the terms of the sale were updated several times resulting in additional payments.

Seeing as how it has only been 5 years, I wonder if the person I sold my house to would be willing to re-negotiate and pay me more now. I sure could use the money. ;\)

5 years is way too soon! lol. You need to make a treaty that says you were forced to move and sell your house. Every new owner of this house will be subject to giving handouts to anyone that is related to you (even your 100th cousin once removed) 200 years from now.

Think of the benefits, this will be better than any sum of money YOU could leave them. This way, you pass the buck to the future owners! MAYBE you could get those mean/diseased/european people to buy your next house! LOL!!

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#1007335 --- 04/10/09 07:21 AM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
I assume you have read the twisted history Halftown provided the BIA in the Trust application. ;\)



Did he thank the fallen soldiers or their families for protecting this land for the past 200 years?

or did he thank the USA for spending trillions of dollars defending this land so that he could walk around with all the rights and priviledges that he only expects others to adhere to?

Disrepecting our fallen soliders.


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#1007523 --- 04/10/09 06:02 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: bluezone]
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Gee, not that I can remember reading. I don't think that was any thanks to anyone. Here is the link to the trust application and cover letter written by Halftown to the BIA in 2006.

http://www.cayuganationtrust.net/110606_...rt%20110606.pdf

All I saw was the same tired twisted half truths blah blah.
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#1007603 --- 04/10/09 10:34 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: bluezone]
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I do not recall thanks for anything. That is rather difficult to do when all one does is feel sorry for oneself for what happened 200 years ago. American Indians have a higher rate of joining the military than any other. I think a lot of that has to do with reservation life and the boredom to this socialist welfare system created and sustained by our own Congress.

Schumer and Arcuri are in favor of it. They both want to cut deals and create more trust lands.

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#1007609 --- 04/10/09 11:35 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Unfortunately, I think Paterson is prone to selling us out too.
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#1007742 --- 04/11/09 09:43 AM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Unfortunately, I think Paterson is prone to selling us out too.


http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/G...eQ.cspx?rss=102

"the governor said he is requesting private meetings with the Indian nations....." Gov Patsy

Are you kidding me? The indians are probably tripping over themselves to accept that deal. Gov Patsy couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag!! It's laughable!!!

So he can screw us over like they (3 men in a room) do with their private meetings on the state budget!!! Great! I say three men, but I apologize to all real men who I have insulted by comparing them to Gov Patsy, Silver and the other guy.


Edited by justaxme (04/11/09 09:46 AM)
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#1007777 --- 04/11/09 12:40 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: justaxme]
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To me the only negotiation should be obey the laws, pay all taxes or all services to your businesses will be cut off - Period. There can not be any justice with two sets of laws. One set for the Cayugas and one set for the rest of us. I am tired of seeing two counties torn apart financially and emotionally for the sole benefit of 400-500 people wanting special priviledges for something their ancestors did over 200 years ago. Their ancestors sold the land to NYS no matter how they spin their version of history. That was 200 years ago - get over it.

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#1008471 --- 04/13/09 08:21 AM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
What else could he say when he has to spin the facts.
Did BJR vanish already?


Nope - vanishing is not my nature. I'm still here!

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#1008484 --- 04/13/09 09:06 AM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
What else could he say when he has to spin the facts.
Did BJR vanish already?


Nope - vanishing is not my nature. I'm still here!


Glad to see you are still here. With all the discussion you have helped generate on here, I think a lot more people now understand how badly the Indians are ripping off the taxpayers.
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#1008514 --- 04/13/09 10:08 AM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
What else could he say when he has to spin the facts.
Did BJR vanish already?


Nope - vanishing is not my nature. I'm still here!


Glad to see you are still here. With all the discussion you have helped generate on here, I think a lot more people now understand how badly the Indians are ripping off the taxpayers.


Boy oh boy trump - you are a beauty! I'm not sure I generated any "new" discussion. Looks mostly to me like the sames posters and the same stories.

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#1008517 --- 04/13/09 10:13 AM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford


Boy oh boy trump - you are a beauty! I'm not sure I generated any "new" discussion. Looks mostly to me like the sames posters and the same stories.

Boy, isn't that the truth.

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#1008549 --- 04/13/09 12:03 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
What else could he say when he has to spin the facts.
Did BJR vanish already?


Nope - vanishing is not my nature. I'm still here!


Glad to see you are still here. With all the discussion you have helped generate on here, I think a lot more people now understand how badly the Indians are ripping off the taxpayers.


Boy oh boy trump - you are a beauty! I'm not sure I generated any "new" discussion. Looks mostly to me like the sames posters and the same stories.

It is the same stories because the truth doesn't change. I noticed you registered here on 3/30/09. Were you reading the forums for some time before you started posting? Since you started posting there has definitely been new people posting on the Indian threads. Of course those have been most interested for a long time post the most because they are most knowlegable on the subject. But you have ceratainly generated a lot of interest with your comments. I stand by my original comment above.
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#1008558 --- 04/13/09 12:26 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
What else could he say when he has to spin the facts.
Did BJR vanish already?


Nope - vanishing is not my nature. I'm still here!


Glad to see you are still here. With all the discussion you have helped generate on here, I think a lot more people now understand how badly the Indians are ripping off the taxpayers.


Boy oh boy trump - you are a beauty! I'm not sure I generated any "new" discussion. Looks mostly to me like the sames posters and the same stories.

It is the same stories because the truth doesn't change. I noticed you registered here on 3/30/09. Were you reading the forums for some time before you started posting? Since you started posting there has definitely been new people posting on the Indian threads. Of course those have been most interested for a long time post the most because they are most knowlegable on the subject. But you have ceratainly generated a lot of interest with your comments. I stand by my original comment above.


Yes - I have read the posts on and off for years.

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#1011735 --- 04/19/09 09:07 PM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Gee, not that I can remember reading. I don't think that was any thanks to anyone. Here is the link to the trust application and cover letter written by Halftown to the BIA in 2006.

http://www.cayuganationtrust.net/110606_...rt%20110606.pdf

All I saw was the same tired twisted half truths blah blah.


cayuga nation of NEW YORK?
are there other cayuga nations? \:D
like say in CANADA?
\:D


"As trust land, the nations land would not be subject to local or county taxation...."

It is not trust land so taxes are due.

The land was gained by illegal profits.

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#1011923 --- 04/20/09 09:09 AM Re: Judge: Cayugas can't sell tax-free cigarettes [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford


Yes - I have read the posts on and off for years.


You stated that the tribe closed their bingo hall because the county passed a law against it. When the county passes a law that states that land cannot be purchased by a tribe will you obey that as well?
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