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#932244 --- 12/06/08 10:19 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Hello Dick: I see you are still trying to put a twist on all your posts as usual.

As to my using a different handle i explained i was at the time up front and why. But go ahead and twist it.

As to the statement come get me that was meant in the forum as you just did. I knew i would get your attention.

You are right you and i don't agree i would prefer to see the tax payers making money instead of spending it. We been fighting this for 25 years and it will continue. Do you honestly believe it won't be handed to our kids. For someone who claims i make predictions you do yourself more than anyone else i know. As you did in your post.

As to Dilliner i have no idea what he is up to he lives in Oklahoma i don't as you know.

So tell me how many people has your little group just pi-- off. How many more neighbors will your group try to jail with your private war u got going.

As to a casino i did want economic development,but i never wanted it elsewhere just another one of your mental moments.

Ask yourself this Dick if you honestly are an expert on indian law,why are u still working for the town and not opening your own law firm.


heres a challenge try to make a post without spinning the truth.
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#932254 --- 12/06/08 10:37 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot

As to Walmart or any retail outlet keeping part of the sales tax, the state allows EVERY retail store to keep a percentage to cover the cost of bookkeeping and remitting the tax. The tribe could too if it complied with the law. There seems to be a lot in this world you don't know about. Yes, even Tallcot Bookshop kept a cut. Not only that, but the state has recently increased the allowance.


Is that what Sworldt is talking about? OMG. I know for a small business I am familiar with they keep 5% up to $200 maximum of the NY sales tax for doing all the paperwork. What a joke if that is what he is referring to! As you said, the Indians could get the same cut also IF they paid sales taxes.


look at who just woke up. Wal-Mart was named because is mounting MILLIONS with no cap.So your partly right.
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#932270 --- 12/06/08 11:16 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot

As to Walmart or any retail outlet keeping part of the sales tax, the state allows EVERY retail store to keep a percentage to cover the cost of bookkeeping and remitting the tax. The tribe could too if it complied with the law. There seems to be a lot in this world you don't know about. Yes, even Tallcot Bookshop kept a cut. Not only that, but the state has recently increased the allowance.


Is that what Sworldt is talking about? OMG. I know for a small business I am familiar with they keep 5% up to $200 maximum of the NY sales tax for doing all the paperwork. What a joke if that is what he is referring to! As you said, the Indians could get the same cut also IF they paid sales taxes.


look at who just woke up. Wal-Mart was named because is mounting MILLIONS with no cap.So your partly right.


What is mounting millions? What does that mean? Isn't that no good English? In New York state? I googled and found nothing so I still think you are full of baloney.
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#932370 --- 12/06/08 04:03 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
My main concern is this might come back and bite us all in the a-- in the form of a law suit. U & I will have to pay.


Don't be concerned about that. Be concerned about all of the legitmate buisnesses that were paying their fair share of taxes that Lakeside put out of busines by Lakeside undercutting them and not paying their fair share of taxes! How the heck hard is that to understand? \:\(
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#932419 --- 12/06/08 06:15 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Hello Sworldt:

Just as I thought, you're still having flashbacks. As I explained in my post, we all came together in June of 2005 and resolved the land claim by having SCOTUS rule on it. That ended the 25 years you refer to, as the claim was filed in 1980.

The trust applications and tax issues haven't been going on for 25 years.

Yes, Dilliner is still in Oklahoma, but I thought you'd keep up because during the 25 years war the Seneca-Cayuga tribe allowed you access to their tribal forum board. It's too bad I got censored from that. Seems those in control didn't like the truths being exposed to their members.

As for UCE's activities, we just keep gaining members. So I think we're doing something right.

Regarding my employment, I've thought about being an attorney. Several have suggested it. But that takes time and I'm close enough to retirement to ride it out.

In addition to that, grass roots movements can be more effective.

Besides, our UCE President is an attorney and we have Cornelius Murray, Esq. to represent us as well.

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#932456 --- 12/06/08 08:29 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: reilley
sworldt, save your fingers ... they are like arguing with a 3 year old. They will never make sense,cause they have no common sense.


Reilley, I am flabbergasted. If you have read all that has been posted about Indians not paying taxes and you still don't understand that we have to pay more taxes because the Indians don't pay taxes, then I guess you will never understand. I find that quite amazing.

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Oh believe me I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING that has been said on here.
I understand taxes and the government alot better than you think.
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#932457 --- 12/06/08 08:32 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
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Oh and just to let you know trump... I paid $1.78 a gal in gas ...that was with TAXES! so see I have no problem paying taxes .......where they are due
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#932460 --- 12/06/08 08:43 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Hello Sworldt:

Just as I thought, you're still having flashbacks. As I explained in my post, we all came together in June of 2005 and resolved the land claim by having SCOTUS rule on it. That ended the 25 years you refer to, as the claim was filed in 1980.

The trust applications and tax issues haven't been going on for 25 years.

Yes, Dilliner is still in Oklahoma, but I thought you'd keep up because during the 25 years war the Seneca-Cayuga tribe allowed you access to their tribal forum board. It's too bad I got censored from that. Seems those in control didn't like the truths being exposed to their members.

As for UCE's activities, we just keep gaining members. So I think we're doing something right.

Regarding my employment, I've thought about being an attorney. Several have suggested it. But that takes time and I'm close enough to retirement to ride it out.

In addition to that, grass roots movements can be more effective.

Besides, our UCE President is an attorney and we have Cornelius Murray, Esq. to represent us as well.


Your funny Dick. Whenever i need a laugh i look for you.

Thanx for not letting me down.

No matter how you spin it it is still going on. Nothing is finalized or settled. So why don't we just wait and see what happens. Besides Dick in order to be an attorney you have to pass the bar and you can't B.S. your way through and i doubt your capable. I can see it now Dick Talcot Attorney of Bull S---.
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#932462 --- 12/06/08 08:46 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
sworldt Offline
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Originally Posted By: reilley
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: reilley
sworldt, save your fingers ... they are like arguing with a 3 year old. They will never make sense,cause they have no common sense.


Reilley, I am flabbergasted. If you have read all that has been posted about Indians not paying taxes and you still don't understand that we have to pay more taxes because the Indians don't pay taxes, then I guess you will never understand. I find that quite amazing.

.......................
Oh believe me I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING that has been said on here.
I understand taxes and the government alot better than you think.


Reilley do you think hooked on phonics would help the UCE nuts.
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#932463 --- 12/06/08 08:53 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
sworldt Offline
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: sworldt
My main concern is this might come back and bite us all in the a-- in the form of a law suit. U & I will have to pay.


Don't be concerned about that. Be concerned about all of the legitmate buisnesses that were paying their fair share of taxes that Lakeside put out of busines by Lakeside undercutting them and not paying their fair share of taxes! How the heck hard is that to understand? \:\(


So you don't care if the tax payers get stuck with a huge law suit. How does it feel to be rich enough not to be concerned with money. Me i have been a blue collar worker and proud of it right up to my disability. As to the other business's i do believe it is called competition. The american Way. How many mom and pops did Wal-Mart put under.
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#932466 --- 12/06/08 08:57 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Dick: All mighty Guru do you have a prediction on the Cayugas trust Application.
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#932467 --- 12/06/08 09:00 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
sworldt Offline
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Originally Posted By: reilley
Oh and just to let you know trump... I paid $1.78 a gal in gas ...that was with TAXES! so see I have no problem paying taxes .......where they are due


reilley: Don't we already have a tax dept. in this state? Do you feel the tax payers need another wannabe tax collector?


Edited by sworldt (12/06/08 09:01 PM)
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#932471 --- 12/06/08 09:09 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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naw ... no tax collector needed from here ..no way.

hooked on phonics ,would they understand ... thats hard to say,
they only see how THE INDIANS have caused everything that comes along. Give the government some credit .... they have botched things for YEARS!
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#932475 --- 12/06/08 09:25 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
sworldt Offline
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Originally Posted By: reilley
naw ... no tax collector needed from here ..no way.

hooked on phonics ,would they understand ... thats hard to say,
they only see how THE INDIANS have caused everything that comes along. Give the government some credit .... they have botched things for YEARS!


Well i guess they need someone to blame.

Wouldn't it be a laugh if it was found the UCE type groups were being paid by the non-indian Casino owners to help eliminate their competition.just a thought.
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#932497 --- 12/06/08 10:30 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: reilley
naw ... no tax collector needed from here ..no way.

hooked on phonics ,would they understand ... thats hard to say,
they only see how THE INDIANS have caused everything that comes along. Give the government some credit .... they have botched things for YEARS!


Well i guess they need someone to blame.

Wouldn't it be a laugh if it was found the UCE type groups were being paid by the non-indian Casino owners to help eliminate their competition.just a thought.


OMG ... now that would be funny ... I wonder if thats where all their money is comming from?? \:o
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#932514 --- 12/07/08 12:47 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Registered: 01/19/03
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You can read my positions in the UCE lawsuit filed on page 1 and 2 and CERA's lawsuit filed on pages 4 and 5. I know this is over your head.

http://forums.fingerlakes1.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=904578&page=1&fpart=1

These ARE the explanations as to why trust lands will not be allowed here. I say this in anticipation of your asking the explanations to be explained because I know you can't understand anything that doesn't say what you want it to.

The Cayuga trust application approvals are being held up until after the feds test the waters. That's why they asked for arguments before the Second Circuit, which will be heard December 19th.

The feds may also wait until after SCOTUS rules on Rhode Island, which won't be until March or April.

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#932633 --- 12/07/08 07:01 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt

My main concern is this might come back and bite us all in the a-- in the form of a law suit. U & I will have to pay.



LOL

But you do not mind losing over 30+ million of sales tax dollars per year from just these 2 smokeshops?


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How much did Sherrill save us?



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#932634 --- 12/07/08 07:07 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt


Wasn't the state suppose to provide coupons to the tribes for collection of taxes and was that ever done?( no )


Sworldt - can the tribe gain trust land if the property taxes are not paid in full?

can the tribe gain trust land if illegal activities are occuring on the land in question?

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#932635 --- 12/07/08 07:11 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
... but I thought you'd keep up because during the 25 years war the Seneca-Cayuga tribe allowed you access to their tribal forum board...


Is that why sworldt has always sided with the tribes?

it is a disgrace that he has the american flag as his avatar.


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#932639 --- 12/07/08 07:26 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
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Originally Posted By: reilley
Oh and just to let you know trump... I paid $1.78 a gal in gas ...that was with TAXES! so see I have no problem paying taxes .......where they are due


Where they are due? When would they not be due? Should taxes be collected by a business be based on who their ancestors were?

If the gas station was owned by a black person, should they not collect taxes because 100 years ago they were slaves?

If the gas station is owned by someone of Japanese origin should they not collect taxes because they were our enemies in WWII?


Edited by trump (12/07/08 09:08 AM)
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