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#931466 --- 12/05/08 09:17 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
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Originally Posted By: reilley
We all know that what ever money collected if any WILL NOT BE USED to HELP the TAXPAYERS!



And just what do you think the state will do with this money collected? Have a bonfire? Of course it will help the taxpayers.

Suppose I suddenly discover I have some Indian blood in me and stop paying my taxes. Somebody else is going to have to pay more taxes, are they not?
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#931467 --- 12/05/08 09:19 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
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Originally Posted By: reilley
Trump,
Nothing in America is equal. That is why justice is blind and always will be . Just ask the rich.


Are you talking about the small number of rich Indians making big bucks off of this no-pay tax scam while the rest of the indians live in poverty?
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#931520 --- 12/05/08 11:25 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
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Originally Posted By: reilley
because if they get paychecks with all the goodies taken out they can ..even if they don't they can GET SS


Forget it reilley they won't listen. They only understand what they want to. The cops raid the indians today,but whos next any group or corporation who is not paying their full share of sales tax. Maybe the cops will start arresting workers of Goulds pumps seems they are avoiding sales tax. How about wal-mart they retain portions of their sales tax as well. There are alot more who don't pay the full sales tax these are just a few.
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#931522 --- 12/05/08 11:29 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: reilley
Trump,
Nothing in America is equal. That is why justice is blind and always will be . Just ask the rich.


Are you talking about the small number of rich Indians making big bucks off of this no-pay tax scam while the rest of the indians live in poverty?


Or maybe the Corps. recieving a $800 Billion bail out.
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#931524 --- 12/05/08 11:32 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: reilley
because if they get paychecks with all the goodies taken out they can ..even if they don't they can GET SS


Forget it reilley they won't listen. They only understand what they want to. The cops raid the indians today,but whos next any group or corporation who is not paying their full share of sales tax. Maybe the cops will start arresting workers of Goulds pumps seems they are avoiding sales tax. How about wal-mart they retain portions of their sales tax as well. There are alot more who don't pay the full sales tax these are just a few.


Goulds or Wal-Mart are not paying sales tax? That is news to me. Please explain.
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#931525 --- 12/05/08 11:33 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: reilley
Trump,
Nothing in America is equal. That is why justice is blind and always will be . Just ask the rich.


Are you talking about the small number of rich Indians making big bucks off of this no-pay tax scam while the rest of the indians live in poverty?


Or maybe the Corps. recieving a $800 Billion bail out.


Like it or not, that was a legal action by the US Congress and signed by the president. Indians not paying sales tax is an illegal action.
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#931530 --- 12/05/08 11:36 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: reilley
because if they get paychecks with all the goodies taken out they can ..even if they don't they can GET SS


Forget it reilley they won't listen. They only understand what they want to. The cops raid the indians today,but whos next any group or corporation who is not paying their full share of sales tax. Maybe the cops will start arresting workers of Goulds pumps seems they are avoiding sales tax. How about wal-mart they retain portions of their sales tax as well. There are alot more who don't pay the full sales tax these are just a few.


Goulds or Wal-Mart are not paying sales tax? That is news to me. Please explain.


Goulds are attempting to buy equipment through a third party to avoid paying sales tax the article is in the news.
Wal-Mart as well as others are allowed to collect tax from u and retain a portion for themselves.
How else can i help you and doesn't this hurt the tax payers.
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#931533 --- 12/05/08 11:45 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: reilley
Trump,
Nothing in America is equal. That is why justice is blind and always will be . Just ask the rich.


Are you talking about the small number of rich Indians making big bucks off of this no-pay tax scam while the rest of the indians live in poverty?


Or maybe the Corps. recieving a $800 Billion bail out.


Like it or not, that was a legal action by the US Congress and signed by the president. Indians not paying sales tax is an illegal action.


Wasn't the state suppose to provide coupons to the tribes for collection of taxes and was that ever done?( no )
Wasn't there a court order in place NOT to attempt collection from the tribes till Paterson negotiated this issue with the tribes.
So who is in the right. I am not a judge, but i do realize this whole issue is not as clear cut as some would like us to believe.
My main concern is this might come back and bite us all in the a-- in the form of a law suit. U & I will have to pay.
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#931534 --- 12/05/08 11:47 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
trump Offline
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: reilley
because if they get paychecks with all the goodies taken out they can ..even if they don't they can GET SS


Forget it reilley they won't listen. They only understand what they want to. The cops raid the indians today,but whos next any group or corporation who is not paying their full share of sales tax. Maybe the cops will start arresting workers of Goulds pumps seems they are avoiding sales tax. How about wal-mart they retain portions of their sales tax as well. There are alot more who don't pay the full sales tax these are just a few.


Goulds or Wal-Mart are not paying sales tax? That is news to me. Please explain.


Goulds are attempting to buy equipment through a third party to avoid paying sales tax the article is in the news.
Wal-Mart as well as others are allowed to collect tax from u and retain a portion for themselves.
How else can i help you and doesn't this hurt the tax payers.


It has been in the news? I have never heard of either action. Can you post such articles from the "news" on here?
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#931536 --- 12/05/08 11:50 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: reilley
Trump,
Nothing in America is equal. That is why justice is blind and always will be . Just ask the rich.


Are you talking about the small number of rich Indians making big bucks off of this no-pay tax scam while the rest of the indians live in poverty?


Or maybe the Corps. recieving a $800 Billion bail out.


Like it or not, that was a legal action by the US Congress and signed by the president. Indians not paying sales tax is an illegal action.


Wasn't the state suppose to provide coupons to the tribes for collection of taxes and was that ever done?( no )
Wasn't there a court order in place NOT to attempt collection from the tribes till Paterson negotiated this issue with the tribes.
So who is in the right. I am not a judge, but i do realize this whole issue is not as clear cut as some would like us to believe.
My main concern is this might come back and bite us all in the a-- in the form of a law suit. U & I will have to pay.


The first I have heard about the coupon concept was in the news yesterday. I don't understand the purpose of the coupon. A court order not to attempt collection until Paterson is done negotiating? I have never heard that.
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#931540 --- 12/05/08 11:56 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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By the way trump in case u care. I have absolutely NO interest in the Cayuga Nation in any way.I don't smoke and i don' drive from Auburn to buy gas nor do i have any relatives enrolled in the tribe. In case u were wondering.
Now if you want to put a stop to ALL special interest groups, individuals, getting tax breaks so EVERYONE including Religous tax shelters pay the same let me know i maybe interested.
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#931546 --- 12/05/08 12:01 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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It is very clear the Cayuga do not have land in trust.
To proof that out they have been paying land taxes that come due on their land. The tribe has not exerted political control of land in this area for more than 200 years and repurchasing land does not reinstate that political control.

They are or should be treated as any other merchant who does not collect and remit sales and use tax.


The Cayuga could have applied for grants, tax abatements, Empire zone status etc just as Goulds and other merchants have done.

The Sherrill decision was clear and explicit, a tribe cannot just purchase land and declare it sovereign. That is what the Cayuga attempted to do. The hearing the other day zeroed in on that question.

I question whether Walmart is allowed to keep sales tax money. I read that statement somewhere before.do you have a reference source that can confirm that?

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#931571 --- 12/05/08 12:46 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: grinch]
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Originally Posted By: grinch
It is very clear the Cayuga do not have land in trust.
To proof that out they have been paying land taxes that come due on their land. The tribe has not exerted political control of land in this area for more than 200 years and repurchasing land does not reinstate that political control.

They are or should be treated as any other merchant who does not collect and remit sales and use tax.


The Cayuga could have applied for grants, tax abatements, Empire zone status etc just as Goulds and other merchants have done.

The Sherrill decision was clear and explicit, a tribe cannot just purchase land and declare it sovereign. That is what the Cayuga attempted to do. The hearing the other day zeroed in on that question.

I question whether Walmart is allowed to keep sales tax money. I read that statement somewhere before.do you have a reference source that can confirm that?







You danced around the post and what it said. However Wal-Mart is not the only retailer and it was in the news appr. 1 month ago. You can go look if you want.
Whether or not the two District Attorneys were correct or not they may have pushed the courts into a ruling on not only taxation but trust as well. It may or may not be what everyone wants,but time will tell. Are u prepared to accept the court ruling as law or will you want to change it if its not in your favor?
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#931613 --- 12/05/08 02:04 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
By the way trump in case u care. I have absolutely NO interest in the Cayuga Nation in any way.I don't smoke and i don' drive from Auburn to buy gas nor do i have any relatives enrolled in the tribe. In case u were wondering.
Now if you want to put a stop to ALL special interest groups, individuals, getting tax breaks so EVERYONE including Religous tax shelters pay the same let me know i maybe interested.


I am not a big fan of any tax breaks or bailouts, etc. But the bottom line is that all of the situations you mentioned here were legally approved by some level of our government. The Indian situation is very different is that is an illegal action. I am not happy that it has taken our elected leaders so long to take action on this situation. Why that is so baffles me.
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#931616 --- 12/05/08 02:07 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: grinch
It is very clear the Cayuga do not have land in trust.
To proof that out they have been paying land taxes that come due on their land. The tribe has not exerted political control of land in this area for more than 200 years and repurchasing land does not reinstate that political control.

They are or should be treated as any other merchant who does not collect and remit sales and use tax.


The Cayuga could have applied for grants, tax abatements, Empire zone status etc just as Goulds and other merchants have done.

The Sherrill decision was clear and explicit, a tribe cannot just purchase land and declare it sovereign. That is what the Cayuga attempted to do. The hearing the other day zeroed in on that question.

I question whether Walmart is allowed to keep sales tax money. I read that statement somewhere before.do you have a reference source that can confirm that?



You danced around the post and what it said. However Wal-Mart is not the only retailer and it was in the news appr. 1 month ago. You can go look if you want.


I am not going to go look for something a month old that I doubt exists or you mis-interpreted the article. Since you know all about it why don't you find it and post it on here?
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#931770 --- 12/05/08 05:05 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
... Are u prepared to accept the court ruling as law or will you want to change it if its not in your favor?


It is the Cayugas that refuse to accept the court ruling known as Sherrill. The little town that stood up to the tribe and the tribes lost.



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#931775 --- 12/05/08 05:11 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Wasn't the state suppose to provide coupons to the tribes for collection of taxes and was that ever done?( no )
Wasn't there a court order in place NOT to attempt collection from the tribes till Paterson negotiated this issue with the tribes.
So who is in the right. I am not a judge, but i do realize this whole issue is not as clear cut as some would like us to believe.
My main concern is this might come back and bite us all in the a-- in the form of a law suit. U & I will have to pay.


This store is not on indian land. Read the Sherrill decision.
"U & I have to pay"
It appears that we are already paying if these two stores fail to pay over $26 million in cig taxes each year not including gas taxes.
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#931781 --- 12/05/08 05:16 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
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Originally Posted By: reilley
because if they get paychecks with all the goodies taken out they can ..even if they don't they can GET SS



sounds sovereign to me.


NOT!

Is China sovereign?
Do their people get SS from the US government?
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#931803 --- 12/05/08 05:23 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
By the way trump in case u care. I have absolutely NO interest in the Cayuga Nation in any way.I don't smoke and i don' drive from Auburn to buy gas nor do i have any relatives enrolled in the tribe. In case u were wondering.


But sworldt was pushing for an indian casino in Auburn.
More lost tax money.............................


Where is Okla?



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#931807 --- 12/05/08 05:25 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: grinch
It is very clear the Cayuga do not have land in trust.
To proof that out they have been paying land taxes that come due on their land. The tribe has not exerted political control of land in this area for more than 200 years and repurchasing land does not reinstate that political control.

They are or should be treated as any other merchant who does not collect and remit sales and use tax.


The Cayuga could have applied for grants, tax abatements, Empire zone status etc just as Goulds and other merchants have done.

The Sherrill decision was clear and explicit, a tribe cannot just purchase land and declare it sovereign. That is what the Cayuga attempted to do. The hearing the other day zeroed in on that question.

I question whether Walmart is allowed to keep sales tax money. I read that statement somewhere before.do you have a reference source that can confirm that?



You danced around the post and what it said. However Wal-Mart is not the only retailer and it was in the news appr. 1 month ago. You can go look if you want.


I am not going to go look for something a month old that I doubt exists or you mis-interpreted the article. Since you know all about it why don't you find it and post it on here?


Whats wrong afraid you might be wrong. I don't care i have nothing to prove to nobody. This is my opinion don't be so lazy and do your own work.
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