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#936853 --- 12/12/08 08:04 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: dwarren]
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Originally Posted By: dwarren
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Dick: I will make this simple for you. Does the UCE collect and remit state sales tax?
Sworldt: I'll make this REAL simple for you and type really really slowly.

When UCE sells something, sales taxes ARE remitted to the state.

Thank you for making it simple for me. I don't know why your computer shows you're on page 10, because mine shows we're on page 20 now.


Now remember i'm stupid so you DO pay sales tax on your Donations.


There is no sales tax due on donations because that is not a sale as defined by the NYS Tax Law. Since the donataions are not tax deductible there is no taxes due because the taxes were already paid when earned by the donor.

BTW where is the Cayuga Nation's filing for ANY tax exempt provisions?


Don't try making this about the indians this is about the UCE.

ARE your DONATIONS ( Shirts etc. )you charge for your fund raisers TAX EXEMPT.

Do you charge a membership fee to join UCE or do you ask for a donation instead.

Who did i ask warren about a year ago in the forums. And i do not have to prove you caused me harm to request your tax ID number. So why don't you give it.
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#936858 --- 12/12/08 08:08 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Dick: Whats wrong can't answer questions on your own. What a joke.
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#936862 --- 12/12/08 08:12 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Warren: Remember im just a simple dumb person so bare with. See if i understand this. The UCE formed a NOT FOR PROFIT CHARITY who does not have to collect and remit sales tax because everything is seen as a DONATION. So you can complain about others who don't pay sales tax. HMMMM

What makes you any better than the indians?
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#936864 --- 12/12/08 08:13 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Dick: Whats wrong can't answer questions on your own. What a joke.


You are the joke. You cannot come up with any cogent argument of law or fact. You repeatedly raise this point and get shot down every time you do, but you are not intelligent enough to realize it. This comes down to a single point. Until such time as the Cayugas or any other Indian nation or tribe registers and is incorparated in the same manner and for the same purposes as UCE you simply cannot compare the two.

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#936872 --- 12/12/08 08:22 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: dwarren]
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Originally Posted By: dwarren
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Dick: Whats wrong can't answer questions on your own. What a joke.


You are the joke. You cannot come up with any cogent argument of law or fact. You repeatedly raise this point and get shot down every time you do, but you are not intelligent enough to realize it. This comes down to a single point. Until such time as the Cayugas or any other Indian nation or tribe registers and is incorparated in the same manner and for the same purposes as UCE you simply cannot compare the two.


Your group is the joke. You say all you want is to be equal when you exploit tax loop holes yourself.

By the way when you start calling people names all you do is show your own stupidity.

The fact remains you are doing the same thing you accuse the indians of TAX EVASION through exploiting loop holes.

You might call me stupid, but even i would realize to make sure i wasn't doing the same thing i'm accusing someone else of.

BTW No you never gave me your number.
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#936877 --- 12/12/08 08:28 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: dwarren
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Dick: Whats wrong can't answer questions on your own. What a joke.


You are the joke. You cannot come up with any cogent argument of law or fact. You repeatedly raise this point and get shot down every time you do, but you are not intelligent enough to realize it. This comes down to a single point. Until such time as the Cayugas or any other Indian nation or tribe registers and is incorparated in the same manner and for the same purposes as UCE you simply cannot compare the two.


Your group is the joke. You say all you want is to be equal when you exploit tax loop holes yourself.

By the way when you start calling people names all you do is show your own stupidity.

The fact remains you are doing the same thing you accuse the indians of TAX EVASION through exploiting loop holes.

You might call me stupid, but even i would realize to make sure i wasn't doing the same thing i'm accusing someone else of.

BTW No you never gave me your number.


Let us examine your track record of all the times that you said either the land claim was a done deal in the Cayugas' favor and it was not, the Seneca-Cayugas' casino was a done deal and it was not, etc. You are the one that lacks any credibility. You cannot even complete a cogent thought or rationalization of why UCE's tax status is even comparable to the Cayugas. All of your argument is based merely on subterfuge and obfuscation and is specious.


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#936883 --- 12/12/08 08:37 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: dwarren]
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Originally Posted By: dwarren
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: dwarren
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Dick: Whats wrong can't answer questions on your own. What a joke.


You are the joke. You cannot come up with any cogent argument of law or fact. You repeatedly raise this point and get shot down every time you do, but you are not intelligent enough to realize it. This comes down to a single point. Until such time as the Cayugas or any other Indian nation or tribe registers and is incorparated in the same manner and for the same purposes as UCE you simply cannot compare the two.


Your group is the joke. You say all you want is to be equal when you exploit tax loop holes yourself.

By the way when you start calling people names all you do is show your own stupidity.

The fact remains you are doing the same thing you accuse the indians of TAX EVASION through exploiting loop holes.

You might call me stupid, but even i would realize to make sure i wasn't doing the same thing i'm accusing someone else of.

BTW No you never gave me your number.


Let us examine your track record of all the times that you said either the land claim was a done deal in the Cayugas' favor and it was not, the Seneca-Cayugas' casino was a done deal and it was not, etc. You are the one that lacks any credibility. You cannot even complete a cogent thought or rationalization of why UCE's tax status is even comparable to the Cayugas. All of your argument is based merely on subterfuge and obfuscation and is specious.


Here you go just more dribble from yet another TAX EVADER.

By the way i NEVER said the S.C. casino was a done deal.
Oh wait you brought up a good point the Seneca Cayugas are incorporated and where willing to pay ALL TAXES unlike the UCE whos using tax loop holes.

Now just so you can't say i never helped you all you need to do is scan your tax cert. and post it.

As far as credability goes we'll let everybody decide for themselves. As i have nothing to gain.

Ok Dick your puppet master will let you speak again.


Edited by sworldt (12/12/08 08:38 PM)
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#936944 --- 12/12/08 09:47 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Sworldt: I - c a n ' t - t y p e - a n y - s l o w e r.

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Y o u - a r e - w r o n g .

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Y e s - w e - d o .

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#936995 --- 12/13/08 02:29 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: dwarren
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Originally Posted By: dwarren
Originally Posted By: sworldt
Dick: Whats wrong can't answer questions on your own. What a joke.


You are the joke. You cannot come up with any cogent argument of law or fact. You repeatedly raise this point and get shot down every time you do, but you are not intelligent enough to realize it. This comes down to a single point. Until such time as the Cayugas or any other Indian nation or tribe registers and is incorparated in the same manner and for the same purposes as UCE you simply cannot compare the two.


Your group is the joke. You say all you want is to be equal when you exploit tax loop holes yourself.

By the way when you start calling people names all you do is show your own stupidity.

The fact remains you are doing the same thing you accuse the indians of TAX EVASION through exploiting loop holes.

You might call me stupid, but even i would realize to make sure i wasn't doing the same thing i'm accusing someone else of.

BTW No you never gave me your number.


Let us examine your track record of all the times that you said either the land claim was a done deal in the Cayugas' favor and it was not, the Seneca-Cayugas' casino was a done deal and it was not, etc. You are the one that lacks any credibility. You cannot even complete a cogent thought or rationalization of why UCE's tax status is even comparable to the Cayugas. All of your argument is based merely on subterfuge and obfuscation and is specious.


Here you go just more dribble from yet another TAX EVADER.

By the way i NEVER said the S.C. casino was a done deal.
Oh wait you brought up a good point the Seneca Cayugas are incorporated and where willing to pay ALL TAXES unlike the UCE whos using tax loop holes.

Now just so you can't say i never helped you all you need to do is scan your tax cert. and post it.

As far as credability goes we'll let everybody decide for themselves. As i have nothing to gain.

Ok Dick your puppet master will let you speak again.


SWORLDT - APPLES and ORANGES! Even if you do not agree with what the UCE stands for or believes in, how can you compare them to the native americans who choose to sell gas, cigarettes, and open casinos on their "sacred" land.

The UCE's basic argument is equal treatment for all, how can YOU argue that equality is wrong? You claim the UCE is using the same tax loopholes as the Indians, WRONG. The Indians tax loopholes are based on race. On the other hand, the UCE's taxbreaks (if they even use or have any-that is your claim sworldt) are available to anyone that chooses to go through the proper "red tape" and not based on race.

I do not see the UCE making millions, making threats to EVICT property owners, buying thousands of acres from which the money came from the sale of CIGS and GAS. The day the UCE starts doing this, which is the day H*LL freezes over, I will no longer support their stance. The Cayugas proved the only reason they were in business was for the the sale of CIGS! That was their ultimate money making machine, they could care less about selling your staple items, although some would consider CIGS a staple item.

I also dont buy the argument that the native americans were here first. My ancestors were not here when this stuff happened, yet I am forced to pay for something that happened 200 years ago? GIVE ME A BREAK. When I have to buy LAND CLAIM INSURANCE upon purchasing my house, I think there is something VERY wrong with the picture! The native americans that play the race card CAN and NEED to find a way to live with the other people that share this land. Saying things such as, "We have our foot in the door and we are going to kick it wide open" only irritates people.

You are entitled to your own opinion, which you expressed many times your hatred for the UCE. I can see why people would be mad if they smoke or because NYS state is ridiculous with taxes. Those are separate issues. NYS has a long way to go to make this state more resident friendly. I would support the native americans 100% if they were trying to lobby for lower gas taxes or cig taxes (even though I dont smoke) but for them to play the race card and not follow the laws that every other CIGARETTE retailer has to, is just wrong. So, I am not sure if RT reminds you of someone who beat you as a kid or what the problem is but your argument is WEAK and WEAK is giving you much credit.

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#937091 --- 12/13/08 06:13 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Rich Tallcot,

If I make a monetary donation to UCE, there is no sales tax involved.

If I purchase any item from UCE, you charge sales tax on that item and then remit the sales tax to the state.

Is this correct?
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#937120 --- 12/13/08 07:39 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Registered: 01/19/03
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Correct.

Sworldt and I know who each other and have met. We disagree calmly in person and I don't hate the guy. We're both vets. He takes care of the grave markers. But we have totally different perspectives.

I guess one could say I'm obsessed with promoting equality under the law based on principle. Sworldt appears to be obsessed with promoting supremacy through tribalism. He is married to an Indian who he says is not a registered tribal member and has relatives and friends associated and some probably registered with the Seneca-Cayuga tribe.

I can't help but see the humor in it. Tribal status descends from the mother. To maintain blood quantum they intermarry between tribes, one example being Ray Halbritter. I believe his father was Onondaga but his mother Oneida. I know the Onondaga and Mohawk maintain 50% blood quantum.

I don't know if either Cayuga tribe has a blood quantum requirement. So going back 200 years Sworldt is undoubtedly related to the Cayuga through marriage. But tribal oral history which was used by Judge McCurn, who is also married to an Indian, in court to reach decisions based on "evidence" pertaining to a 200 year old land claim doesn't go back that far for Sworldt.

We pick on each other in fun, but we're serious about it. Even though Sworldt does not smoke, I think his wife does. He says he doesn't have anything to gain. Choice of words is important. He may have something to lose, such as the cost of paying taxes on cigs for his wife. Oddly enough, loss of civil and Constitutional rights doesn't seem to enter his philosophy.


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#937148 --- 12/13/08 08:32 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Dick: I will make this simple for you. Does the UCE collect and remit state sales tax?


Not on their gas and cigs sales on the reservation.




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#937150 --- 12/13/08 08:34 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Dick: I'll tell you what. By State law you are required to display and give out your tax authority number when requested. I' requesting it. Why don't you post it and i'll check for myself.


Since when do you want to apply the laws?


The UCE is sovereign.

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#937152 --- 12/13/08 08:36 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt


By the way i NEVER said the S.C. casino was a done deal.


yes - you did.

Originally Posted By: sworldt

Oh wait you brought up a good point the Seneca Cayugas are incorporated and where willing to pay ALL TAXES unlike the UCE whos using tax loop holes.



Then why did the done deal not transpire?

Until the land went to trust a then all bets were off.

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#937297 --- 12/13/08 01:35 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Sworldt and I know who each other and have met. We disagree calmly in person and I don't hate the guy. We're both vets. He takes care of the grave markers. But we have totally different perspectives.


Thank you. I appreciate knowing that.
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#937300 --- 12/13/08 01:36 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Rich Tallcot,

If I make a monetary donation to UCE, there is no sales tax involved.

If I purchase any item from UCE, you charge sales tax on that item and then remit the sales tax to the state.

Is this correct?


Sworldt, Rich says this is correct. I know taxes can be confusing. I tried to make it as simple as possible. I hope this helps.
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#937690 --- 12/14/08 01:53 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: reilley]
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Originally Posted By: reilley
"I am sure this will result in a hardship for the nation's programs," French said. "The revenue wholly supported their health care, roads, homes and employment."


Where are these Cayuga indian roads?


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#938449 --- 12/15/08 10:58 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Correct.

Sworldt and I know who each other and have met. We disagree calmly in person and I don't hate the guy. We're both vets. He takes care of the grave markers. But we have totally different perspectives.

I guess one could say I'm obsessed with promoting equality under the law based on principle. Sworldt appears to be obsessed with promoting supremacy through tribalism. He is married to an Indian who he says is not a registered tribal member and has relatives and friends associated and some probably registered with the Seneca-Cayuga tribe.

I can't help but see the humor in it. Tribal status descends from the mother. To maintain blood quantum they intermarry between tribes, one example being Ray Halbritter. I believe his father was Onondaga but his mother Oneida. I know the Onondaga and Mohawk maintain 50% blood quantum.

I don't know if either Cayuga tribe has a blood quantum requirement. So going back 200 years Sworldt is undoubtedly related to the Cayuga through marriage. But tribal oral history which was used by Judge McCurn, who is also married to an Indian, in court to reach decisions based on "evidence" pertaining to a 200 year old land claim doesn't go back that far for Sworldt.

We pick on each other in fun, but we're serious about it. Even though Sworldt does not smoke, I think his wife does. He says he doesn't have anything to gain. Choice of words is important. He may have something to lose, such as the cost of paying taxes on cigs for his wife. Oddly enough, loss of civil and Constitutional rights doesn't seem to enter his philosophy.


I am rolling on the floor laughing my a-- off.Thanx i needed that.

First you are getting into personal business which i respected you enough not to do to you. But seems you want to get personal.

second as i said my wife is part indian,again i was honest enough to say it.However she is not related to any NY tribe. She gains nothing from ANY tribe.Nor does she want to.

Third my wife does NOT smoke just another lie from your lips. As you told several here.



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#938469 --- 12/15/08 11:23 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: trump
Rich Tallcot,

If I make a monetary donation to UCE, there is no sales tax involved.

If I purchase any item from UCE, you charge sales tax on that item and then remit the sales tax to the state.

Is this correct?


Sworldt, Rich says this is correct. I know taxes can be confusing. I tried to make it as simple as possible. I hope this helps.


Heres the point a donation is tax free.Anything you buy from the UCE is seen as a donation thus dodging the remitting of sales tax.Whether it be a shirt, a sign or whatever else. The money you pay is seen as a donation. Now i maybe wrong and if i am all they have to do is post their NYS Sales Cert.. Remember by law it is suppose to be made available to the public.If your a business owner you already know this.

Thus makes my point. They established a NOT FOR PROFIT CHARITY to dodge taxs to complain of those who also don't pay their share in taxes.

What we advocated for with the SENECA CAYUGA was in essence the collection of taxes,The ability of local law enforcement to enforce the laws on their property along with millions more paid DIRECTLY to local goverment so the state couldn't hold it back. Thousands of jobs for local residents. And alot more that would have benefited EVERYBODY not just one side. But it would be accomplished through economic development and agreements.

What you may or may not know is Dick Talcot had a standing invitation to attend ALL meetings. Not because it was felt he had a right to do. More because everything was to be kept open to everybody.However Dick refused to attend. i believe the words were no deals ever with any indian.However his wife did attend so he still had knowledge of the meetings and what took place.

I also believe EVERYBODY should pay their share.But i believe in agreements The UCE wants to end Indian Sovernighty in short end indian rights. I DO NOT believe anybobies rights should be ended.

Do to this issue coming between Dick and his wife he has an axe to grind with the indians.

Remember you started this. I was respecting your right to privacy.

In short we both want people to share in the burden,however we VERY MUCH disagree as how to get there.


Edited by sworldt (12/15/08 11:34 AM)
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#938483 --- 12/15/08 11:39 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case [Re: sworldt]
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Everybody wants to remember it is not the indian who will pay the taxes it is you that will pay.
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