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#930014 --- 12/03/08 04:58 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: Retired Soldier]
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retired soldier, go ahead and celebrate for both of us. I can't get my arms around this guy at all, and his pull backs are contrary to his hard line as a candidate.

I will support him and hope he does what he says. I just don't believe him.

I guess support for his cabinet selections comes from what we read. I read the opposite, that people are worried and angry. In any event, these are not the people who are noted for being catalysts of change. I do, though, want him to succeed as what he wants would serve us all. I simply doubt the sincerity of his intentions.
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#930041 --- 12/03/08 05:34 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: Mountain Man]
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He has the courage to include a republican as DOD Chief, a republican as National Security Advisor, and several women, including his chief rival. He has the courage to seek diverse opinions and embrace controversy and dissent inorder, hopefully, to find the best solutions to problems.
I think he's great. Of course, a piece of basalt would look good as a leader compared to bush, but that is another story.

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#930056 --- 12/03/08 05:45 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
and several women



Several women!!!

All most like they real people!!!

What bold move to finally allow women in government!!!

Next you know Mr. Obama let women vote and drive car!!!
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#930092 --- 12/03/08 06:10 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: Mountain Man]
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
retired soldier, go ahead and celebrate for both of us. I can't get my arms around this guy at all, and his pull backs are contrary to his hard line as a candidate.


And his pull backs are many.

Even during the campain his rhetoric xtarted to sound more like Ronald Reagon than the Obmama of only months before.

Such as his sudden tough talk on invading nations armed with nukes.

Specifically when he said that if he knew Osama was there he would invade Pakistan.

Obama also warned Iran that all options for our defense remain on the table if they were to do something really stupid like .. say ... nuke Tel Aviv.

And Moveon/codepink/ ANSWER all worshipped this guy? The far loonie left is openly saying they were betrayed.

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
I will support him and hope he does what he says. I just don't believe him.


I cannot say I have ever believed a career politician. But he is our President elect. So I will support him.

We all should support our elected presidents. Shouldn't we?


Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
I guess support for his cabinet selections comes from what we read. I read the opposite, that people are worried and angry. In any event, these are not the people who are noted for being catalysts of change.


As long as the grass is green and the sky is blue the politicians will all be screwin you.

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
I do, though, want him to succeed as what he wants would serve us all.

I simply doubt the sincerity of his intentions.



I concur.

With both statements.
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#930095 --- 12/03/08 06:12 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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LOL

How anyone can doubt the sincerity of ANYONE who choses to go through the grueling process of getting elected President. I have a lot of negative opinions about GWB but NONE OF THEM involve "doubting the sincerity of his intentions".

If you doubt the sincerity of Obama's intentions that means you really think he's hoping to do more damage than good, which is mind boggling, frankly.
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#930104 --- 12/03/08 06:22 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: past tense]
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Frankly. He's very slick and has been marketed amazingly well.

I don't think he has a real clue but the people he will surround himself with do.

I support him insofar as he is will be the President of the USA and I am a citizen. He is will be our Military's Commander in Chief.

You have people using a slick anology/ photo of cowboy boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag that is CLEARLY meant to give a subliminal if not outright impression of a hung GW Bush.

What do you think someone would be dealt with that made a simular avatar of even the hint of a hanging/hung black man?

Banned if not burned.

Bottom line.

I respect his office, yet I do not believe the man has a plan.
Others do.

and Obama can and will and has spoken eloquently about all kinds of things.

But the reality is, those who advise him, just like any other president, will control where this boat goes from here and how fast we get there.
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#930207 --- 12/03/08 07:40 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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LOL

I love people who think Obama "doesn't have a real clue". He's clearly unbelievably intelligent - not just on his own, but also smart enough to surround himself with OTHER smart people.

I have no opinion on the pic/avatar in question as I haven't seen it. And I suppose I'd be more offended by a picture of a black man being lynched than a picture that may, might, could suggest that perhaps the president is being hung. I'm not sure what a picture that "hinted that a black man" was being hung would look like. If one pops up I'll be sure to weigh in.

Nothing in that reply was in response to my wonderment that your doubting of the sincerity of his intentions is essentially a statement that you believe his intentions are not good, but bad. Which is amazing.
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#930337 --- 12/03/08 10:05 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Frankly. He's very slick and has been marketed amazingly well.


You have people using a slick anology/ photo of cowboy boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag that is CLEARLY meant to give a subliminal if not outright impression of a hung GW Bush.


I believe you are referring to my photo avatar.
Jonathan Byrd {folk singer}in Dingo boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag .
http://www.myspace.com/jonathanbyrd
It was meant to give the impression of what he and many of us felt our government would do like to do to us .
Never crossed my mind that some would see it as Bush.
I can't seem to locate the photo now .

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#930416 --- 12/04/08 05:11 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: alummule]
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Past Tense, he is remarkably intelligent. That alone probably got many to follow him like he was Christ on earth.

As for doubting his sincerity, that's a personal choice, but your reason for validating his sincerity: "How anyone can doubt the sincerity of ANYONE who chooses to go through the grueling process of getting elected President. I have a lot of negative opinions about GWB but NONE OF THEM involve ""doubting the sincerity of his intentions"", WOW! There isn't a single politician that isn't an ego-maniac. Obama even said that in a debate and that he had a "very healthy" image of himself.

Politicians may have an agenda for us, good or bad, but they have one hell of a personal agenda in place too.
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#930650 --- 12/04/08 07:53 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: alummule]
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Originally Posted By: alummule
Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Frankly. He's very slick and has been marketed amazingly well.


You have people using a slick anology/ photo of cowboy boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag that is CLEARLY meant to give a subliminal if not outright impression of a hung GW Bush.


I believe you are referring to my photo avatar.
Jonathan Byrd {folk singer}in Dingo boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag .
http://www.myspace.com/jonathanbyrd
It was meant to give the impression of what he and many of us felt our government would do like to do to us .
Never crossed my mind that some would see it as Bush.
I can't seem to locate the photo now .


I have every photo you ever posted on your myspace page.

Photo after photo showing you obsession with hating GW Bush.

Like this one that shows cowboy boots limply hanging in front of the American Flag ...



Oh yeah, that aint supposed to be Bush. Rightttttttttttttt.

Just like this is not your president.



Also off your wide open myspace page. Just as was this gem of intelligence.




Or how about how you got your screen name ... Aluminum Mule?



On your myspace page you babble "FRIGGEN BUSH" every other breath.

That alone makes you dangerous. And your lame explanation of your avatar, that dissapeared when I first pointed out that it was not only offensive but a borderline threat against the life of a sitting president.

Yeah, Bush wants us all to hang ourselves in cowboy boots in front of an american flag in texas,




And you dress funny. Nice Aluminum mule ya gots there.




Many of US did not and do not like Bush.


But he is YOUR president FOOL.

Just as Obama WILL BE my president after the 20th of January.
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#930668 --- 12/04/08 08:08 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
You have people using a slick anology/ photo of cowboy boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag that is CLEARLY meant to give a subliminal if not outright impression of a hung GW Bush.

What do you think someone would be dealt with that made a simular avatar of even the hint of a hanging/hung black man?




Ain't all black men hung?



I wish I was hung.

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#930669 --- 12/04/08 08:08 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: ]
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Deep down, you wish you was hung, too.

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#930675 --- 12/04/08 08:13 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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*** You are ignoring this user *** again

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#930680 --- 12/04/08 08:26 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: alummule]
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Not hard to get rid of you is it.


Besides.



How can you say anything of substance when yer frothing at the mouth?
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#930692 --- 12/04/08 08:49 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
LOL

I love people who think Obama "doesn't have a real clue". He's clearly unbelievably intelligent - not just on his own, but also smart enough to surround himself with OTHER smart people.

I have no opinion on the pic/avatar in question as I haven't seen it. And I suppose I'd be more offended by a picture of a black man being lynched than a picture that may, might, could suggest that perhaps the president is being hung. I'm not sure what a picture that "hinted that a black man" was being hung would look like. If one pops up I'll be sure to weigh in.

Nothing in that reply was in response to my wonderment that your doubting of the sincerity of his intentions is essentially a statement that you believe his intentions are not good, but bad. Which is amazing.


Weigh in.



Is that a black man? Is it or could it be used as an avatar of hate. Sure it could.

Can you tell for certain the hanging man is black. No. Or even if the photo is staged. No you cannot.

But the implications of this photo, real or not, used in conjuction with ANYTHING Obama would create hysteria amongst Obamafans world wide.
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#930695 --- 12/04/08 08:52 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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And by saying Obama doesn't have a clue I meant about the world outside of wrights' church and his Chicago activism.

He has absolutely no clue to what is going on behind the political screens but will have as he learns OJT and is briefed on the fact that we have 50 states not 57.
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#930696 --- 12/04/08 08:54 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: alummule
Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Frankly. He's very slick and has been marketed amazingly well.


You have people using a slick anology/ photo of cowboy boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag that is CLEARLY meant to give a subliminal if not outright impression of a hung GW Bush.


I believe you are referring to my photo avatar.
Jonathan Byrd {folk singer}in Dingo boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag .
http://www.myspace.com/jonathanbyrd
It was meant to give the impression of what he and many of us felt our government would do like to do to us .
Never crossed my mind that some would see it as Bush.
I can't seem to locate the photo now .


I have every photo you ever posted on your myspace page.

Photo after photo showing you obsession with hating GW Bush.

Like this one that shows cowboy boots limply hanging in front of the American Flag ...



Oh yeah, that aint supposed to be Bush. Rightttttttttttttt.

Just like this is not your president.



Also off your wide open myspace page. Just as was this gem of intelligence.




Or how about how you got your screen name ... Aluminum Mule?



On your myspace page you babble "FRIGGEN BUSH" every other breath.

That alone makes you dangerous. And your lame explanation of your avatar, that dissapeared when I first pointed out that it was not only offensive but a borderline threat against the life of a sitting president.

Yeah, Bush wants us all to hang ourselves in cowboy boots in front of an american flag in texas,




And you dress funny. Nice Aluminum mule ya gots there.




Many of US did not and do not like Bush.


But he is YOUR president FOOL.

Just as Obama WILL BE my president after the 20th of January.
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America has problems.

We can fix that.

America is not THE problem.

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#930704 --- 12/04/08 09:16 AM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Originally Posted By: alummule
Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Frankly. He's very slick and has been marketed amazingly well.


You have people using a slick anology/ photo of cowboy boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag that is CLEARLY meant to give a subliminal if not outright impression of a hung GW Bush.


I believe you are referring to my photo avatar.
Jonathan Byrd {folk singer}in Dingo boots hanging inches off the ground in front of an American flag .
http://www.myspace.com/jonathanbyrd
It was meant to give the impression of what he and many of us felt our government would do like to do to us .
Never crossed my mind that some would see it as Bush.
I can't seem to locate the photo now .


I have every photo you ever posted on your myspace page.

Photo after photo showing you obsession with hating GW Bush.

Like this one that shows cowboy boots limply hanging in front of the American Flag ...



Oh yeah, that aint supposed to be Bush. Rightttttttttttttt.

Just like this is not your president.



Also off your wide open myspace page. Just as was this gem of intelligence.




Or how about how you got your screen name ... Aluminum Mule?



On your myspace page you babble "FRIGGEN BUSH" every other breath.

That alone makes you dangerous. And your lame explanation of your avatar, that dissapeared when I first pointed out that it was not only offensive but a borderline threat against the life of a sitting president.

Yeah, Bush wants us all to hang ourselves in cowboy boots in front of an american flag in texas,




And you dress funny. Nice Aluminum mule ya gots there.




Many of US did not and do not like Bush.


But he is YOUR president FOOL.

Just as Obama WILL BE my president after the 20th of January.




He's not the only one doing it.













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#930867 --- 12/04/08 01:00 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: Mountain Man]
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Past Tense, he is remarkably intelligent. That alone probably got many to follow him like he was Christ on earth.


The only people who think of him as a Messiah are people on the right who don't like him and keep referring to him as such. If "being excited about a candidate" equals "following someone like Christ on Earth" let's just call Pretty Pony Palin the Second Coming, ok?

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
As for doubting his sincerity, that's a personal choice, but your reason for validating his sincerity: "How anyone can doubt the sincerity of ANYONE who chooses to go through the grueling process of getting elected President. I have a lot of negative opinions about GWB but NONE OF THEM involve ""doubting the sincerity of his intentions"", WOW! There isn't a single politician that isn't an ego-maniac. Obama even said that in a debate and that he had a "very healthy" image of himself.


First of all, that's not my reasoning. That's Sky's reasoning. I have no idea how doubting someone's sincerity is a "choice", but if you doubt the sincerity of someone's intentions - in this case, the President-Elect of the United States - then you doubt he wishes to HELP this country and rather, intends to HURT IT. I have no earthly idea what else "doubting the sincerity of his intentions" could mean.

As for having a healthy ego - I EFFING HOPE SO. Just as I hope the brain surgeon who dug a tumor out of my cousin's brain a few months ago had a MASSIVE, ENORMOUS EGO, I also hope my President has a giant reserve of self-confidence. I really don't want the leader of the free world to be riddled with self-doubt. Do you?

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Politicians may have an agenda for us, good or bad, but they have one hell of a personal agenda in place too.


Perhaps, but I don't think anyone goes through what a candidate goes through without honestly wanting to affect (at least what they perceive as) positive change for America. While you and I might disagree on what constitutes "good" or "bad" for the country, and while we might agree with the president or any other elected official, that doesn't lessen the "sincerity of their intentions".

And let's not pretend that if were John McCain gearing up for transition right now we wouldn't see the exact same thing - the reality of campaign promises in the light of implementation.


Edited by past tense (12/04/08 01:06 PM)
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#930871 --- 12/04/08 01:02 PM Re: Obama backs off windfall profit tax for big oil [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Is that a black man? Is it or could it be used as an avatar of hate. Sure it could.


That picture is of terrible quality. I honestly have no clue.

Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Can you tell for certain the hanging man is black. No. Or even if the photo is staged. No you cannot.


Nope. Can't tell.

Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
But the implications of this photo, real or not, used in conjuction with ANYTHING Obama would create hysteria amongst Obamafans world wide.


I'm an Obama fan and I'm not all that hysterical, to be honest.


Edited by past tense (12/04/08 01:05 PM)
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