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#928886 - 12/01/08 10:20 PM

FLTimes Going Under?

newsman38
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Finger Lakes Times

December 1 2008

Finger Lakes Times is a daily newspaper
in Geneva, New York, USA covering general news.

Circulation: 14,744 copies

Copyright © 2001-2008 Mondo Code LLC. All rights reserved

Newspaper Q3 Ad Revenue Sank 18.1% In Worst Quarterly Performance Ever

Print and online newspaper advertising revenue plunged 18.11% in the third quarter of this year -- the worst decline by far in the nearly four decades the Newspaper Association of America (NAA) has been tracking quarterly performance.

By Mark Fitzgerald

Published: December 01, 2008 10:15 AM ET

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#928988 - 12/02/08 05:52 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: newsman38]
dbig dbig Senior Member Registered: 04/10/02 Posts: 779 Loc: Geneva	Remember the "Happy Ad's" were a big part of the paper, that people looked forward to. now you might see one a month!
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#929069 - 12/02/08 07:40 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: newsman38]
DeReRustica DeReRustica Member Registered: 03/15/04 Posts: 183 Loc: Boondox, Seneca Co.	They just brought in a new publisher from rural Mississippi. Maybe he can help the paper figure out its business model.
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#929109 - 12/02/08 09:35 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: DeReRustica]
Where's the love Where's the love Senior Member Registered: 10/16/04 Posts: 5628 Loc: Tahiti - I can dream...	at this time, I can't say that it would be a loss...this paper lacks anything news worthy "locally". _________________________ Nope...more like borrowing the bull, but not having to put up with the "manure"
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#929169 - 12/02/08 11:15 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Where's the love]
Senecamom Senecamom Senior Member Registered: 02/03/06 Posts: 6527 Loc: On a journey......	A few suggestions.... They need to report the news as accuratley as possible-in other words... report what is actually going on, not what they want the public to believe!!! Unbiased reporting might increase readership-not with the usual spin. Lower the price and get it delivered b4 5pm in most areas... Morning paper would be nice....by the time noon rolls around my day is beyond the "coffee and paper"... JMHO _________________________ ~Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there.”~
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#929188 - 12/02/08 12:37 PM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Senecamom]
Samuel Samuel Senior Member Registered: 02/07/08 Posts: 3747 Loc: Potter, NY	I can't see any (paper)newspapers surviving the next ten years or so. Why buy a newspaper when they post the basics on their website. Papers will be all online. Maybe the big city papers will survive, but smaller papers are too expensive to home deliver. Online subscriptions are pretty handy. Accessible anywhere, printable, savable and you can even research past issues. _________________________ Ken A. Kamholtz for Yates Co. Sheriff - VERITAS !! Wilson Simmons - AKA Samuel
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#929204 - 12/02/08 01:09 PM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Samuel]
Joe the Troller Joe the Troller Senior Member Registered: 11/12/08 Posts: 589 Loc: Finger Lakes	If the FLTimes wants to survive they would offer an online version of their paper for a deep discount. The monthly subscription rate is 12 dollars a month - 144 dollars a year. They need to offer an online subscription only for 50 to 60 bucks a year. As for people who say people would share thier id's with others so that FLT would get cheated, there are ways to lock up access and control it. _________________________ *It's meant to be sarcastic, get over it*
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#929242 - 12/02/08 03:23 PM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Where's the love]
justaxme justaxme Senior Member Registered: 08/31/05 Posts: 2286 Loc: On top?	Originally Posted By: Where's the love at this time, I can't say that it would be a loss...this paper lacks anything news worthy "locally". I agree. I haven't looked at it in years and haven't missed anything. To much information available and the FLT doesn't offer anything of value. IMHO Edited by justaxme (12/02/08 03:23 PM) _________________________ I'm Justaxme, and I approved this message.
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#929260 - 12/02/08 04:03 PM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: justaxme]
jojotaxpayer jojotaxpayer Senior Member Registered: 04/04/08 Posts: 1556 Loc: Ontario County	I've threated to quit the FLT many times. This time it's really going to happen. There is nothing in it, when it does come it's already old news. Normally you see it on TV or the internet long before the FLT arrives. When it runs out around new years I am not renewing it.
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#929511 - 12/03/08 05:43 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Senecamom]
Mountain Man Mountain Man Senior Member Registered: 10/27/07 Posts: 1960 Loc: out there	Originally Posted By: senecamom A few suggestions.... They need to report the news as accurately as possible-in other words... report what is actually going on, not what they want the public to believe!!! Unbiased reporting might increase readership-not with the usual spin. SenecaMom, there was a study done very recently in journalism schools. It was conducted as the pollsters felt honest reporting of the facts has disappeared from the news, and that the media (of all kinds) is more interested in their agenda moving forward. Guess what, the journalism students and their professors all agreed it was more important to express their opinions than report the news. How's that for a slap in the face?! Give me the news on all the pages and save the political agendas for the editorial page where a reader knows what is being read is opinion. I'm with you on this. _________________________ Some people never go crazy, What truly horrible lives they must live--Charles Bukowski
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#929548 - 12/03/08 06:19 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Mountain Man]
Where's the love Where's the love Senior Member Registered: 10/16/04 Posts: 5628 Loc: Tahiti - I can dream...	i remember in school we had to "report" the basics: who what where when and how... ahhh...the good ol' days. _________________________ Nope...more like borrowing the bull, but not having to put up with the "manure"
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#929575 - 12/03/08 06:48 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Where's the love]
Mountain Man Mountain Man Senior Member Registered: 10/27/07 Posts: 1960 Loc: out there	As for papers disappearing, books to for that matter, many people simply want to hold them to read them. I read far more comprehensively from a page rather than the screen. I've been online when since the Internet was called BITNET a long time ago, so I can't say it is new technology for me to read online. I like the feel of pages and reading online is more toward scanning than with the same deliberation as the page in hand. I'll see if I can pull down the article, it was very interesting. I hope print does not go away. _________________________ Some people never go crazy, What truly horrible lives they must live--Charles Bukowski
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#929583 - 12/03/08 06:53 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Mountain Man]
Where's the love Where's the love Senior Member Registered: 10/16/04 Posts: 5628 Loc: Tahiti - I can dream...	i do like taking a book or paper with me - more so than the laptop, the charger, the bag... _________________________ Nope...more like borrowing the bull, but not having to put up with the "manure"
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#929632 - 12/03/08 07:35 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Where's the love]
Joan Joan Member Registered: 11/08/08 Posts: 78 Loc: wish I knew	Heard this a.m. that the D&C is going under also. Glad we got FL1 to communicate, I have no idea whats going on in the world as it is, this little forum stuff has really been a big help. _________________________ Simple minds complain of simple things
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#929657 - 12/03/08 08:14 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: DeReRustica]
Ovidian Ovidian Silver Member Registered: 12/02/02 Posts: 11271 Loc: gone	Originally Posted By: DeReRustica They just brought in a new publisher from rural Mississippi. Maybe he can help the paper figure out its business model. Maybe they should get their billing dept. straightened out. Nothing like getting a late night call from them to tell you you owe $300 and then the next day calling the bank to find you have cancelled checks for all they say you owe. Another time they called we discovered our carrier had been cashing our checks at the Big M. Checks we had made out to the FLT. Our carrier was using it for scratch off tickets. We are done with the times. They have called us twice to reup and I told why both times and not to call back.
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#929701 - 12/03/08 09:39 AM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Mountain Man]
Senecamom Senecamom Senior Member Registered: 02/03/06 Posts: 6527 Loc: On a journey......	Originally Posted By: Mountain Man Originally Posted By: senecamom A few suggestions.... They need to report the news as accurately as possible-in other words... report what is actually going on, not what they want the public to believe!!! Unbiased reporting might increase readership-not with the usual spin. SenecaMom, there was a study done very recently in journalism schools. It was conducted as the pollsters felt honest reporting of the facts has disappeared from the news, and that the media (of all kinds) is more interested in their agenda moving forward. Guess what, the journalism students and their professors all agreed it was more important to express their opinions than report the news. How's that for a slap in the face?! Give me the news on all the pages and save the political agendas for the editorial page where a reader knows what is being read is opinion. I'm with you on this. I feel the sting of that slap! Fascinating and extremely disappointing...Professors are teaching that individual opinions are more impotant than facts- now that's scary. It's no wonder the vast majority are "sheeple"...led to believe the agenda. I long for the days of scooping a story based on facts, facts alone. Thank goodness in the global world we can search for truth-(via internet) one needs to be a dectective for sure; deciphering through inuendo and opinion.... _________________________ ~Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there.”~
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#930129 - 12/03/08 07:43 PM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Senecamom]
dragonfly68 dragonfly68 Junior Member Registered: 06/07/08 Posts: 14 Loc: ontario	The Finger lakes times is just about the most biased paper..ever!!!! it should be called.."this is what anne schulle and the reporters think" every year, these ignorant reporters go to the same big stores in downtown geneva during the holidays,and ask them how busines is.... they neglect the smaller stores, and its horrible. Why wasnt Earthly Posession Boutique mentioned? i see her ads in the paper every week, and that reporter walked straight past her store!!I remember reading wonderful comments on finger lakes 1 about her recently, she is truly a talented, smart young lady who gets put on the backburner every year by the newspaper...and she is a true success story!!! shes always there, making jewelry, and is just so nice. and the Smith Opera House Gallery has a great collection of local artwork!! mind you, their shop is run by volunteers also!!! These people dont even get paid, and are there promoting local artists..but who was on the cover? guards cards!! a silly hallmark store..and isnt that for sale? her selection has gone downhill ever since she bought it from bob and pat..and shes never there.just because their store is bigger, doesnt make them better.wake up flt!!!!!! stop being lazy.
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#930179 - 12/03/08 08:09 PM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: dragonfly68]
jojotaxpayer jojotaxpayer Senior Member Registered: 04/04/08 Posts: 1556 Loc: Ontario County	Originally Posted By: dragonfly68 The Finger lakes times is just about the most biased paper..ever!!!! it should be called.."this is what anne schulle and the reporters think" That I will agree with 200% ten times over.
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#930254 - 12/03/08 09:34 PM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: Where's the love]
manofveal manofveal Member Registered: 08/30/08 Posts: 212 Loc: behind closed doors	Originally Posted By: Where's the love at this time, I can't say that it would be a loss...this paper lacks anything news worthy "locally". i agree the paper doesn't really have any information what so ever...... i hate to say it, and im not knocking anyone that works for the fltimes but alotta the stuff they publish isn't even worth reading.
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#930271 - 12/03/08 09:45 PM Re: FLTimes Going Under? [Re: manofveal]
DAHN Key DAHN Key Member Registered: 10/05/06 Posts: 140 Loc: Upstate NY	the publication is not even worthy of being fish wrap..however your screen name is noteworthy!
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