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#912742 --- 11/05/08 06:56 PM Re: Thank You Geneva for Voting [Re: MorganHills]
Sovereign King Offline
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Registered: 05/29/08
Posts: 3506
Loc: Auditioning on Broadway
Originally Posted By: MorganHills
thank you for your service as a civil rights volunteer; it apparently has paid off \:\)

Agreed! I've heard so many people thanking the troops and veterans for doing what they do to protect our right to vote... until now, I don't think I've heard anyone thank any civil rights leaders, workers, or volunteers for doing what they have done throughout history to make it possible to have the first African American elected President!

#912769 --- 11/05/08 07:41 PM Re: Thank You Geneva for Voting [Re: Sovereign King]
paramedic268 Offline
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Registered: 12/03/05
Posts: 1242
Loc: Phelps NY
Well we will see how long it takes for President-elect Obama to back off the campaign promises...Oh wait, it started last night when he said that the economy is on a slippery slope, and he may not be able to fix it in four years....geez couldn't we have dreamed that he was going to fix all the problems like he said, at least for one night.

Nothing changed, it was an anti Bush/Republican will be a long four years

#912825 --- 11/05/08 08:44 PM Re: Thank You Geneva for Voting [Re: Mountain Man]
P Offline
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Registered: 08/19/07
Posts: 1720
Loc: Fingerlakes ny
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
I can understand how a minority thinks this is HUGE deal, but it isn't. White people of all ages contributed to Obama's victory as well as minorities. In fact, without the colorblind vote Obama would be an also ran.

Keep in mind when I say this isn't a big deal I mean so in terms of how Blacks are accepted by Whites. Black men and women are respected members of our communities, respected teachers, doctors, lawyers (if one can respect lawyers at all)and captains of industry and corporations.

These highly regarded positions have been held by Blacks for decades, and in any environment other than a redneck one, no one is surprised if a Black person is the leader, doctor, the intellectual. So what's your point.

It seems like the overt cry of racism has to die on this one. Surely, it is clear to every one that this is, in general, a colorblind nation. Sure, there are creeps on both sides of the racism issue, but it seems to rest mostly in the demographic that is the underclass economically now.

It will never be a perfect world, but the separation of Genevans and Genevan minorities continues to draw an unnecessary line between good people.

...oh yeah, white guy, 56. No, I didn't vote for Obama (and not for race reasons...voted 3rd party as a protest), but now that he is in all Americans should work together toward his success in what ever way a locality can do so.

Well spoken...... The question should be ask why so much devisiveness? The answer is ignorance in part by all sides.Based on the qualifications of both candidates, Oboma & Biden gets the nod but sadly we judge not by qualifications but who identify or look the same as I do. Thankfully we had many white voters who saw beyond color and recognized the candidate best suited to remedy our Nation's problems. Racism is very alive in the United States and we as a nation just proved that point through actions(negative ads with racial conotations)Many black and white voters never sought to understand or eduacate themselves on either party's platform but chose rather to form their own ignorant opinion. The following article was published a Washington DC paper.last month.

How Racism Works

What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if McCain were still married to the first woman to whom he said 'I do'?

What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?

What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

You are The Boss... which team would you hire With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank failures, trillion dollar Federal bailouts of private corporations, etc.

Educational Background:


Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.

Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude


University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.

Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)



United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899


Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester

North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study

University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism

Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester

University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire
PS: What if Barack Obama had an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter....


By Tim Wise [A national anti-racism trainer]

For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because 'every family has challenges,' even as black and Latino families with similar 'challenges' are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a 'fʼʼʼʼn' redneck,' like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll 'kick their f_______' ass,' and talk about how you like to 'shoot sh___t' for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're 'untested.'

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words 'under God' in the pledge of allegiance because 'if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me,' and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the 'under God' part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.

White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.

White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was 'Alaska first,' and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.

White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a 'second look.'

White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.

White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a 'trick question,' while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.

White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a 'light' burden.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole 'change' thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, - which is very concrete and certain.

White privilege is, in short, the problem.

Edited by Papa4 (11/05/08 08:57 PM)

#912907 --- 11/06/08 05:02 AM Re: Thank You Geneva for Voting [Re: P]
Mountain Man Offline
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Registered: 10/27/07
Posts: 2432
Loc: out there
..and after all that...Obama is still not qualified ot be president, but I will support him.
Some people never go crazy, What truly horrible lives they must live--Charles Bukowski

#912958 --- 11/06/08 06:54 AM Re: Thank You Geneva for Voting [Re: P]
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Registered: 11/24/07
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Ah yes, Tim Wise. The self-flagellating, white male from Nashville.

He sure has found a niche market. Kinda like writing children's books or advertising jingles.

Do you, (or does he), have any footnotes or sources for this "copy/paste" extravaganza? Or did he just pick it all up from Sirius Left-Channel 146?

#913188 --- 11/06/08 12:06 PM Re: Thank You Geneva for Voting [Re: NWofNYC]
woodsman Offline

Registered: 10/15/08
Posts: 325
Loc: Ovid/Ithaca
it's actually true- the sources are everywhere, so citing them is pointless- do a little searching of your own and you'll find it all on public record
"...the fairest country I have seen in America. It is a tract between two lakes..."

#913401 --- 11/06/08 05:15 PM Re: Thank You Geneva for Voting [Re: NWofNYC]
P Offline
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Registered: 08/19/07
Posts: 1720
Loc: Fingerlakes ny
Originally Posted By: NWofNYC

Ah yes, Tim Wise. The self-flagellating, white male from Nashville.

He sure has found a niche market. Kinda like writing children's books or advertising jingles.

Do you, (or does he), have any footnotes or sources for this "copy/paste" extravaganza? Or did he just pick it all up from Sirius Left-Channel 146?

I as yourself was somewhat reserved on the validity of this article..... so I researched it for myself. Sadly it is all accurate. You may not like it but thats the problem as I stated... ignorance to facts are more popular than learning the TRUTH. Get some education... it may help your kids!!!!!

#916364 --- 11/11/08 11:21 PM Re: Thank You Geneva for Voting [Re: P]
jello_biafra Offline

Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 215
Loc: geneva ny
yeah soverign king youre exactly right. People who voted for Obama because he was black are ignorant. I am a white male 31 yrs old, I voted for him because he comes across as a great leader and a highly intellegent man. Best man for the job!!!

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