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#905195 --- 10/26/08 07:50 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Lawsuit filed against the trust applications
by the Central New York Fair Business Association, Citizens Equal Rights Alliance, New York State Assemblyman David R. Townsend, Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis, Oneida County Legislator Michael J. Hennessy, and Melvin L. Phillips.

FIFTH CLAIM FOR RELIEF Violation of 42 U.S. C. § 1981

Persons of Oneida Indian descent, like plaintiff Melvin Phillips, have been treated as white citizens of the State of New York since the 1930's. This means that they have enjoyed full rights as citizens of the United States and the State of New York. The only distinction in their rights as citizens is that the Oneidas residing on the 32 acre parcel in Madison County and State land at Marble Hill, Town of Vernon, Oneida County is that they are immune from state taxation.

The defendants assert the right under the ROD to rekindle the sovereignty of the Oneida Indian tribe in New York.

This action by the defendants will subject persons of Oneida Indian descent to tribal laws that do not [allow] the constitutional rights enjoyed by their white neighbors in violation of 42 U.S.C. § 1981. See Santa Clara Pueblo v. Martinez, 436 U.S. 49 (1978)

According to the defendants, persons of Oneida descent will again become wards of the federal government after being treated as full citizens of New York and the United States for more than 150 years.

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#905198 --- 10/26/08 07:53 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Lawsuit filed against the trust applications
by the Central New York Fair Business Association, Citizens Equal Rights Alliance, New York State Assemblyman David R. Townsend, Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis, Oneida County Legislator Michael J. Hennessy, and Melvin L. Phillips.

THE SIXTH CLAIM FOR RELIEF Violation of 42 U.S.C. § 1983

The OIN initially applied for 17,130 acres to be placed into federal trust status pursuant to 25 U.S.C. § 465.

Just as in the Sherrill case, the OIN assert in the final EIS that several alternatives exist for allowing up to 35,000 acres of land that has been under state jurisdiction since before the Constitution of the United States went into effect may be placed into federal trust status.

The OIN claims for fee to trust are essentially the same land claim advanced in Sherrill.

Since the Sherrill decision, the underlying land claim case that asserted the possessory rights of the OIN was dismissed by the Federal District Court based on Cayuga Indian Nation v. Pataki, (2nd Cir. 2005)

The Cayuga decision expanded upon the Sherrill ruling to include all types of possessory land claims as being subject to the equitable considerations enumerated in Sherrill. The Cayuga majority concluded that the land claim of the Cayuga Indian Nation should be dismissed in its entirety and that the equitable considerations for the disruptive effects were also applicable against the United States as trustee of the Tribe.

The Cayuga majority concluded that the United States was bound to act on behalf of the private interest of the Cayuga Tribe and therefore it was not acting in its sovereign capacity to protect the public interest by asserting the land claim.

Similarly, the defendants, by asserting solely the interests of persons of Oneida descent to re-establish their long extinguished claims of tribal sovereignty is racially discriminating against every other resident of Madison and Oneida Counties in violation of 42 U.S.C. § 1983.

The Oneida Indians did not maintain tribal political relations with the United States. In fact, Oneida descendants had to petition the United States to protect their lands from alienation in U.S. v. Boylan,(2nd Cir. 1920) From the time of the Boylan decision, until the Indian Claims Commission case was withdrawn by the Oneidas, the United States did not recognize any Oneida tribe in New York. The OIN was not recognized under the C.F.R. part 83 regulations.

Instead, the Assistant Secretary assumed Raymond Halbritter had united all of the remaining descendants of the Oneida of New York. The only recognition was to Raymond Halbritter as a temporary leader. See attached letter of Ada Deer 1993.

The recognition of Raymond Halbritter as an Oneida Indian with special rights based upon his alleged descent, to rekindle the rights of an Indian tribe whose "embers of sovereignty had long grown cold," constitutes invidious racial discrimination by the defendants in violation of 42 U.S.C. § 1983 against all other residents in Oneida and Madison Counties.

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#905203 --- 10/26/08 08:01 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Lawsuit filed against the trust applications
by the Central New York Fair Business Association, Citizens Equal Rights Alliance, New York State Assemblyman David R. Townsend, Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis, Oneida County Legislator Michael J. Hennessy, and Melvin L. Phillips.

SEVENTH CLAIM FOR RELIEF Violation of 42 U.S.C. § 1985

Deciding to place thousands of acres of land that has always been under state jurisdiction into Indian territorial status by taking it into federal trust can benefit only persons of Indian descent.

The United States DOI and the Department of Justice have been thwarted in their attempts to restore lands to the New York Indian tribes in land claim cases that have been litigated for more than 30 years and have cost taxpayers of New York millions of dollars to defend.

In the actual land claim case on the Oneida tribes, the Department of Justice ("DOJ") finally admitted it was developing a new policy with the BIA to deal with the Sherrill and Cayuga decisions. This new policy first appeared in January, 2008. It was used to moot the PEIS case filed by some of these plaintiffs. This new policy has now been incorporated into new regulations for 25 U.S.C. § 2719, Section 20 for land acquired after 1988. The new 25 C.F.R. Part 292 regulations should apply to this fee to trust ROD for the OIN.

Instead, the ROD says that all prior determinations are not subject to review in the ROD. The BIA has had a common policy or scheme to "create" a federal Indian reservation for the OIN in New York since 1935.

In 1935, Congress passed an act to make the site of Fort Stanwix (Fort Schuyler) a National Monument.

National Monuments are administered by the National Park Service, a branch of the DOI. Fort Stanwix was the site where the Treaty of 1788 was negotiated and entered into between the State of New York and the Oneida tribe. Fort Stanwix was the “carrying place” of the Oneidas. By portaging between the Mohawk River and Wood Creek, the Oneida could transport goods all over New York.

The right of passage over the waterways and over the carrying place was specifically reserved to the Oneidas in the Treaty of 1788. The federal Treaty of Canandaigua in 1794 acknowledged and further protected this right of passage. A right of passage is a vested right under the Public Trust doctrine that is enforceable as a federal reserved right for hunting, fishing and commerce.

This right of passage has been litigated as a reserved right in the Six Nations of the Iroquois confederacy. See F.P.C. v. Tuscarora Indian Nation (1960). The State of New York has not directly interfered with the right of passage of the Oneidas.

The Oneidas right of passage has been effectively rendered a nullity because the Oneidas have had no land base on which or from which to exercise the right of passage and the concomitant rights to conduct commerce or hunt and fish.

Neither of the federal common law reserved rights cases of United States v. Winans (1905) or Winters v. United States (1908), may be made applicable in New York without the Oneidas regaining a land base to which the right of passage may attach.

The DOI has systematically sued the State and the people of New York trying to connect a land interest of the Oneidas to this reserved right of passage.

Beginning in the late 1950's, the United States asserted that pursuant to the Federal Power Act of 1935, the state lands of the Tuscarora Indians could be considered a federal Indian reservation as defined in 16 U.S.C. § 792.

The very broad definition of "federal reservation" contained in 16 U.S.C. § 792 was applied in New York to Indian lands reserved by the State for the continued occupancy of descendants of the Iroquois Confederacy.

That same definition from 16 U.S.C. § 792 could be applied to Fort Stanwix National Monument to attach rights reserved to the Oneidas in the treaties to any lands the federal government can define as being under the resurrected sovereignty of the Oneidas.

Lands in fee title to the Oneidas that do not have tribal sovereignty rights attached cannot be used by the defendants to threaten the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the State of New York unless "converted" into a land classification that re-attaches the sovereign rights of the Oneidas.

From 1935 forward, this has been the scheme of the United States to rekindle the embers of sovereign rights in the Oneidas and other tribes, that have long ago grown cold. The scheme will continue until there is an enforceable means to limit the IRA as Congress intended in 1934.

The scheme violates the equal protection rights of all non-Indian citizens of New York.

[Note: That concludes the CERA & CNYFBA arguments.]

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#905212 --- 10/26/08 08:13 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Lawsuit filed against the trust applications by the Stockbridge-Munsee Community Band of Mohican Indians can be found at
http://www.upstate-citizens.org/Stockbridge-Munsee-Complaint.pdf

Basically they claim rights to lands or rights to settlement monies for the Department of Interior taking what they claim are THEIR lands into trust for the Oneida tribe.

There is another lawsuit that was filed by the City of Oneida, but I do not have a copy of it.


Edited by Rich_Tallcot (10/26/08 08:14 PM)

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#905230 --- 10/26/08 08:36 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Congressman Arcuri said he supports a comprehensive negotiated settlement between the parties.

His opponent Richard Hanna disagrees, stating "I oppose the [Cayuga Indian Nation's] application to put land in trust and favor the lawsuit by the counties in opposition to that. There should be no settlement. I respect the Cayugas, but there has to be a fair way to co-exist. We are all inter-dependent and should all contribute and get benefits."

I'm voting for Richard Hanna.

If you support the
Removal of Constitutional Rights
The Removal of the Clean Air Act
The Removal of the National Environmental Protection Act
The Removal of the Endangered Species Act
The Removal of state and local jurisdictions
The Removal of state and local tax base
And the Removal of a few hundred other acts (NO exaggeration
Limiting federal jurisdiction to the Major Crimes Act to fourteen crimes
Murder Manslaughter Kidnapping Maiming Felony under ch. 109A Incest
Assault with intent to commit murder Burglary
Assault with a deadly weapon Robbery
Assault resulting in serious bodily injury
Assault against a minor under 16 years old Arson
Felony crimes under (18 U.S.C. § 661)
Then Vote for Arcuri, because THAT is what HE wants.

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#905371 --- 10/27/08 06:47 AM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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The tribe must win all of these lawsuits or trust is denied?

Is that correct?


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#905645 --- 10/27/08 06:00 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
The tribe must win all of these lawsuits or trust is denied? Is that correct?

The "tribe" is out of the picture. They're begging the federal government to take state sovereign land, make it federal sovereign land and give the tribe sovereignty over it.

The lawsuits are filed against the federal government. The federal government has to win key rulings in every lawsuit, or trust land is denied. The case will be appealed by whomever loses. So until SCOTUS rules or denies an appeal from the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, the ruling will not be final. However, when it is final it will be final, UNlike numerous final negotiated settlements.

More specifically
The United States of America, individually, and as trustee of the goods, credits and chattels of the federally recognized Indian nations and tribes situated in the State of New York;

Is being sued by UCE and its officers,

And is being sued by The Stockbridge-Munsee Community band of Mohican Indians


DIRK KEMPTHORNE in his official capacity as Secretary of the U.S. Department of the Interior;

Is being sued by UCE and its officers,

Is being sued by the Town of Verona; the Town of Vernon; Abraham Acee; and Arthur Strife

Is being sued by the State of New York; Governor David A. Patterson; Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo; Madison County; and Oneida County.

Is being sued by Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation d/b/a/ National Grid

Is being sued by the Central New York Fair Business Association; the Citizens Equal Rights Alliance; NYS Assemblyman David A. Townsend; Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis; and Oneida County Legislator Melvin L. Phillips.

Is being sued by the Stockbridge-Munsee Community band of Mohican Indians


P. Lynn Scarlett, in her official capacity as Deputy Secretary of the U.S. Department of the Interior and exercising her delegated authority as Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Indian Affairs;

Is being sued by UCE and its officers,

Is being sued by the State of New York; Governor David A. Patterson; Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo; Madison County; and Oneida County.

Is being sued by Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation d/b/a/ National Grid

Is being sued by the Central New York Fair Business Association; the Citizens Equal Rights Alliance; NYS Assemblyman David A. Townsend; Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis; and Oneida County Legislator Melvin L. Phillips.


JAMES CASON, in his official capacity as the Associate Deputy Secretary of the U.S. Department of the Interior and exercising his delegated authority as Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Indian Affairs;

Is being sued by UCE and its officers,

Is being sued by the State of New York; Governor David A. Patterson; Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo; Madison County; and Oneida County.

Is being sued by Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation d/b/a/ National Grid

Is being sued by Central New York Fair Business Association; Citizens Equal Rights Alliance; NYS Assemblyman David A. Townsend; Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis; and Oneida County Legislator Melvin L. Phillips.

Is being sued by The Stockbridge-Munsee Community band of Mohican Indians


The United States Department of Interior

Is being sued by UCE and its officers,

Is being sued by the Town of Verona; the Town of Vernon; Abraham Acee; and Arthur Strife


Philip N. Hogan, in his capacity as Chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission;

Is being sued by UCE and its officers,


The National Indian Gaming Commission

Is being sued by UCE and its officers,


Michael B. Mukasey, in his capacity as Attorney General of the United States

Is being sued by UCE and its officers,

Is being sued by the Town of Verona; the Town of Vernon; Abraham Acee; and Arthur Strife


Franklin Keel, Eastern Regional Director, Bureau of Indian Affairs,

Is being sued by The State of New York; Governor David A. Patterson; Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo; Madison County; and Oneida County.

Is being sued by Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation d/b/a/ National Grid

Is being sued by the Central New York Fair Business Association; the Citizens Equal Rights Alliance; NYS Assemblyman David A. Townsend; Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis; and Oneida County Legislator Melvin L. Phillips.


James T. Kardatzke, Eastern Regional Environmental Scientist;

Is being sued by the Central New York Fair Business Association; the Citizens Equal Rights Alliance; NYS Assemblyman David A. Townsend; Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis; and Oneida County Legislator Melvin L. Phillips.


Arthur Raymond Halbritter, as a real party in interest as the Federally Recognized Leader of the Oneida Indian Nation.

Is being sued by the Central New York Fair Business Association; the Citizens Equal Rights Alliance; NYS Assemblyman David A. Townsend; Oneida County Legislator D. Chad Davis; and Oneida County Legislator Melvin L. Phillips.

I'm not sure who the City of Oneida sued.

You may need to print this off for a scorecard - lol

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#905993 --- 10/28/08 02:32 AM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Thanks for all the information.

It is interesting that the taxpayers are the ones that foot the bill for this from all aspects of this scam. Taxpayers lose when NY state refuses to enforce the tax collection from the tribal run business, fail to enforce the laws, allow land to be "given" away. Congress should retract the right of tribal casinos.
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#906998 --- 10/29/08 08:46 AM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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No Trust land in NY.
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#909004 --- 10/31/08 01:18 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Congressman Arcuri said he supports a comprehensive negotiated settlement between the parties.

His opponent Richard Hanna disagrees, stating "I oppose the [Cayuga Indian Nation's] application to put land in trust and favor the lawsuit by the counties in opposition to that. There should be no settlement. I respect the Cayugas, but there has to be a fair way to co-exist. We are all inter-dependent and should all contribute and get benefits."

I'm voting for Richard Hanna.

If you support the
Removal of Constitutional Rights
The Removal of the Clean Air Act
The Removal of the National Environmental Protection Act
The Removal of the Endangered Species Act
The Removal of state and local jurisdictions
The Removal of state and local tax base
And the Removal of a few hundred other acts (NO exaggeration
Limiting federal jurisdiction to the Major Crimes Act to fourteen crimes
Murder Manslaughter Kidnapping Maiming Felony under ch. 109A Incest
Assault with intent to commit murder Burglary
Assault with a deadly weapon Robbery
Assault resulting in serious bodily injury
Assault against a minor under 16 years old Arson
Felony crimes under (18 U.S.C. § 661)
Then Vote for Arcuri, because THAT is what HE wants.

Richard Hanna proves to be a true politician before even being elected.

I have just sent this to his campaign web site. Lets see how fast he can flip flop AGAIN?

He tells us that he supports the court process in the trust applications and OPPOSES settlements. THEN, in the other end of the district, claims he can work out a SETTLEMENT with the tribes if they're willing to negotiate. He blasts Arcuri for not being able to work out a deal and states:

"If Mr. Halbritter is willing to negotiate, I'm confident that I am much more qualified to bring all parties together and bring this long process to a successful conclusion."

%$#!@ TWO of the lawsuits challenge Halbritter's position and authority to even FILE a trust application because he was removed from office BY THE TRIBE before our corrupt Congressman Boehlert made a deal with Ada Deer and had him proclaimed CEO spokesman. We can FINALLY get this to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The casino was ruled illegal by every court in the state and even SCOTUS rejected Halbritter's plea to overturn the state court rulings. We can FINALLY get this to the U.S. Supreme Court.

We are where we WANT to be because ONLY the courts can issue an absolute FINAL ruling. Neither the tribes nor the feds like the looks of our lawsuits and they KNOW they can't win.

Hanna's a much bigger IDIOT than I thought. He just LOST my vote!

If Hanna gets elected all he'll end up doing is dragging things out before we end up right back where we are. Hanna doesn't "GET IT" that the ONEIDA lawsuits are the precedent setter. He also obviously doesn't understand states rights, preemption rights, or what the laws say or the Constitution. We can FINALLY get this to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Arcuri doesn't get it EITHER. But at least Arcuri had resigned to the fact that consideration of giving the tribe twenty billion dollars and ten thousand acres, which could be expanded upon with future applications, was not considered negotiating.

I have opposed Arcuri because he was always in favor of settlement. But at least he told us that to our face.
Arcuri no longer opposes the lawsuits. It's obvious that Hanna DOES. He's another - tell 'em what they want to hear to get their votes and do just the opposite!

With Hanna switching his position flip flopping from one side of the district to the other, I have just flip flopped my vote to ARCURI. He may be another Boehlert, but at least he always OPENLY opposed us.

http://www.uticaod.com/election2008/x1197767530/Nation-disputes-congressional-candidates-claims
Utica Observer Dispatch
Nation disputes candidates' claims
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By BRYON ACKERMAN
Observer-Dispatch
Posted Oct 30, 2008 @ 11:14 PM
Last update Oct 31, 2008 @ 09:53 AM
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The Oneida Indian Nation conducted a media phone conference Thursday to dispute comments made by the 24th Congressional District candidates about the difficulty of negotiating with the Oneida Indian Nation.

During the conference, Oneida Indian Nation Vice President of Communications Peter Golia said he primarily was concerned with comments made during a News 10 Now debate that occurred more than three weeks ago.

Golia said he wasn’t trying to attack either candidate, but the candidates' comments seemed to be in line with an underlying idea that "you can’t negotiate with Indians."

"That's just not true," Golia said.

At the debate, U.S. Rep. Michael Arcuri, D-Utica, and Republican challenger Richard Hanna, a businessman who lives in Cooperstown, talked about trying to negotiate with Oneida Indian Nation Chief Executive Officer Ray Halbritter about the issue of placing land into federal Indian trust.

Hanna criticized Arcuri during the debate for allowing the land-into-trust issue to go to court instead of resolving it.

Arcuri responded later in the debate.

"In order to negotiate, you need parties who are willing to negotiate," Arcuri said. "And frankly, in reference to the Oneida negotiation, Ray Halbritter was just not willing to negotiate."

Hanna then responded to Arcuri.

"It seems fascinating to me that it's taken 20 years to figure out that Ray Halbritter doesn’t want to negotiate ... with Oneida County or the state," he said.

Golia said the Oneida Indian Nation negotiates on many issues all the time and was negotiating about the land-into-trust issue until the federal Interior Department decision in May to place 13,004 acres into trust. The federal decision resulted in lawsuits against the decision.

Jordan Karp, Arcuri's campaign manager, responded to the Oneida Indian Nation’s comments about Arcuri\'s statements from the debate.

"I think the congressman stands by his word," Karp said.

Hanna responded to the Oneida Indian Nation comments in an e-mailed statement.

"It was Mike Arcuri who said his negotiations failed with the Oneida Nation and Ray Halbritter," Hanna said. "If Mr. Halbritter is willing to negotiate, I’m confident that I am much more qualified to bring all parties together and bring this long process to a successful conclusion."

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#917192 --- 11/13/08 09:40 AM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Paterson needs to enforce the laws before he asks NY'ers for more money.



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#921782 --- 11/20/08 05:29 AM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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The tribes have many hurdles.
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#927967 --- 11/30/08 03:48 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Other counties to push for Raids.
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#971850 --- 01/31/09 09:49 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Justice Scalia's opinion in Adarand v. Pena

I join the opinion of the Court, except Part III C, and except insofar as it may be inconsistent with the following: In my view, government can never have a "compelling interest" in discriminating on the basis of race in order to "make up" for past racial discrimination in the opposite direction. See Richmond v. J. A. Croson Co., 488 U.S. 469, 520 (1989) (Scalia, J., concurring in judgment).

Individuals who have been wronged by unlawful racial discrimination should be made whole; but under our Constitution there can be no such thing as either a creditor or a debtor race.

That concept is alien to the Constitution's focus upon the individual, see Amdt. 14, §1 ("[N]or shall any State . . . deny to any person" the equal protection of the laws) (emphasis added), and its rejection of dispositions based on race, see Amdt. 15, §1 (prohibiting abridgment of the right to vote "on account of race") or based on blood, see Art. III, §3 ("[N]o Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood"); Art. I, §9 ("No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States").

To pursue the concept of racial entitlement--even for the most admirable and benign of purposes--is to reinforce and preserve for future mischief the way of thinking that produced race slavery, race privilege and race hatred. In the eyes of government, we are just one race here. It is American.

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#972403 --- 02/02/09 01:30 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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United We Stand!!!!!!!!!!!
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#1001328 --- 03/30/09 12:02 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: bluezone]
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divided we fall
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#1159971 --- 03/15/10 11:46 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Notice:

CERA / CNYFBA has a lawsuit against the Oneida trust process. They are holding an open forum Tuesday night, which will be tonight by the time you read this.

CITIZENS EQUAL RIGHTS ALLIANCE (CERA), CENTRAL NEW YORK FAIR BUSINESS, INC. AND MICHAEL HENNESSEY ARE HOLDING AN OPEN FORUM TO DISCUSS THE AMENDED COMPLAINT ON THE RECORD OF DECISION AND THE STATUS OF IT IN LIGHT OF JUDGE KAHN'S DECISION OF MARCH 1ST, 2010.

THE forum which is open to the public is being held Tuesday March 16th, 7:30 at the Vernon Town Office Building Vernon, 4305 Peterboro Rd., New York.

Our legal advisor Lana Marcussen from Arizona will be presenting the various issues surrounding the decision and the status from our point of view.

ALL IS NOT LOST AND IF YOU THINK SO BASED ON JUDGE KAHN'S RULING ON THE MOTION FOR PARTIAL DISMISSAL YOU NEED TO ATTEND ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN A DECISION MAKING CAPACITY!

If you need directions – do a mapquest request
http://www.mapquest.com/directions

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#1160976 --- 03/18/10 10:22 AM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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the fact that seneca falls has to dissolve due to the cayuga tribes illegal cig operations should reinforce that trust be denied
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#1161148 --- 03/18/10 05:20 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: bluezone]
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Hey Dick:

I know you posted something on the census quite some time ago. While this does not belong on this thread I am curious.

Race question. Seems to identify every race on the face of the earth except those of us born in the USA.

I am thinking of answering that question by checking "other"

Penning in "American Native".

If I remember correctly you said you did something similar on another such form.

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#1161215 --- 03/18/10 07:20 PM Re: Trust Lawsuit [Re: grinch]
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Originally Posted By: grinch
Hey Dick:

I know you posted something on the census quite some time ago. While this does not belong on this thread I am curious.

Race question. Seems to identify every race on the face of the earth except those of us born in the USA.

I am thinking of answering that question by checking "other"

Penning in "American Native".

If I remember correctly you said you did something similar on another such form.
I always check "other" and write in "human".

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