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#895865 --- 10/08/08 07:56 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: colorado]
metsno1 Offline
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Registered: 11/21/03
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Kids in college having parties that get out of hand?

Stunning. Completely unpredictable.

OK, they're wrong for engaging in behavior that disturbs others-and neighbors should use any means necessary to get them to comply with the laws, or even just to be decent neighbors. That's part of what's necessary in a college (ANY college) neighborhood. It's not what it should be, but it is what it is-and I highly doubt that any complaints on an anonymous forum will elicit any change in that regard.

But the ridiculous comments on this thread that make HWS students out to be this huge group of spoiled, rude, antisocial brats are way out of line. But that's typical here. People seem to think that it's OK to have some bad experiences with a small percentage of the student population and then cast them all in the same microcosmic-and invariably negative-light.

Yup, you're all correct. These HWS kids are crappy little spoiled brats who won't amount to anything because they're disrespectful little turds who only know how to survive when Mommy and Daddy give them their tuition money and a BMW.

Don't you get it? It isn't ALL students who do this. And not EVERY kid has a BMW or a silver spoon of any sort. There are an absolute ton of kids at that school who bust their a$$ in order to get a decent education, behave appropriately the vast majority of the time, and contribute positively. Most of us-if we actually took the time to meet them-would be glad to have them in our community. This group of kids is far larger than the ones who cause the problems.

But the HWS-bashers don't want to hear that. They're happier bashing the Colleges for being off the tax roles and focusing on how a few select kids have had a negative impact on them personally.

Typical Geneva myopia.

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#895872 --- 10/08/08 08:16 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: metsno1]
tubby Offline
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Registered: 03/12/08
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Loc: N.Y.
70% of students recieve financial aid http://www.collegeprofiles.com/hobart-will-smith.html

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#895907 --- 10/08/08 10:11 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: tubby]
Sovereign King Offline
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Registered: 05/29/08
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Thanks tubby, is is pretty ignorant for someone to assume because a school costs X, the kids are spoiled and mommy and daddy are paying for it.

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#895945 --- 10/08/08 11:34 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: tubby]
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Originally Posted By: tubby
70% of students recieve financial aid http://www.collegeprofiles.com/hobart-will-smith.html


I think a lot of people remember the days before so many of the students received financial aid and there were a bunch of rich kids running around campus and town. I do. It really is different now and I have to say that the higher percentage of the students are also pretty well-behaved most of the time. Of course there are exceptions and, of course, there are parties. Add alcohol to any group and things can get out of hand.

I'm in contact with them daily and haven't met many that are "condescending and arrogant". No more than other "kids" in that age group as whole anyway.

One last thing (hooka420), there are many other jobs at the colleges besides housekeeping, maintenance, and food service. Not there is anything wrong with those positions, but there are many other staff and administrative positions, too. I think somewhere around 500.
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#896163 --- 10/08/08 07:00 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: stranger1]
Geneva_grl Offline
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I, too, work at HWS in an administrative office. I am in contact daily with our students. They are WONDERFUL! And, trust me, they are not spoiled, rich kids. Most are on financial aid and work on campus in many administrative offices, from filing to giving tours to interviewing prospective students. Sure, there are some students who drive much nicer vehicles than we do, but most HWS students work in some capacity. There was a time when HWS was know as a "rich kids" school, but that hasn't been the case in many years now.

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#896246 --- 10/08/08 09:19 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Geneva_grl]
Sweetcakes Offline
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LOL I remember that one

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#897772 --- 10/12/08 01:14 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: tubby]
Laurence Offline
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Registered: 05/11/07
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Loc: New York, USA
Originally Posted By: tubby
70% of students recieve financial aid http://www.collegeprofiles.com/hobart-will-smith.html


That is incredible. If you look at this site it's mostly federal money - - taxpayer money...so the public pays for the loans, and pays the 50% of the property taxes that Hobart doesn't pay. It's a pretty good deal for Hobart and the students...no so much for taxpayers.

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#897776 --- 10/12/08 01:47 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Laurence]
Sovereign King Offline
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...Oh jeez, it's like that with every school.... If you don't like it, you can always move to a town that doesn't have a college.... Or you can be miserable trying to preach to the college kids to respect you because, you the tax payer pay for their education... Or better yet forget about and live your life, because even all you don't think it is right, that is the way it is...

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#897807 --- 10/12/08 02:56 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Laurence]
Geneva_grl Offline
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Loc: G-Town
You aren't the one who will be paying back their student loans. Why begrudge students who want an education and can only receive their education through financial aid, work study and student loans.

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#898268 --- 10/13/08 09:34 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Geneva_grl]
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Registered: 05/17/08
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I don't think anyone begrudges them an education when they are working hard at it. It is the ones who fake the ID's, get arrested, cause problems in neighborhoods and (dare I say it) commit felony crimes against women and cost the taxpayers hundres of thousands of dollars to prosecute them - and then more money to incarcerate them. One apple can taint the name of a barrel of apples.

I grant the majority are kids working at an education. But it is the lack of the college cracking down on the trouble makers that is costly to the taxpayer. And it should not be that way.

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#898290 --- 10/13/08 10:51 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Qwill Pen]
Genevan Offline
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Registered: 04/20/08
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Loc: Geneva
The trend for schools (even state institutions) across the country is to contract out security, environmental & safety services to large corporations such as Sodexho so that they can reduce liability. Should it be that way? Do such trends limit transparency of the concerns you have just raised?

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#898322 --- 10/13/08 11:36 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Qwill Pen]
metsno1 Offline
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Registered: 11/21/03
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Loc: Geneva
Originally Posted By: caseyseneca
One apple can taint the name of a barrel of apples.



Can it? Of course.

Should it? Of course not.

The whole "one bad apple" theory is perpetuated only by active choice of the person who ignorantly decides to lump everyone into the same category. That's the exact same logic that perpetuates racial stereotypes and prejudice in general.

So, while you're absolutely right that this sort of "one bad apple" thinking does permeate, you're also pointing out the possibility of changing the way we think. Perhaps-if we're going to be judgmental at all-we should actually evaluate individuals by their solitary actions rather than evaluating or characterizing a whole group by the actions of a relative few.

IMO, the problems that are being discussed here aren't really the fault of the Colleges or their student bodies in general. They're the fault of a few, immature legal adults who haven't yet learned to control their own behavior. And if they cause problems for you, you should deal with them the way you would deal with anyone else who caused you similar problems. Confront them in a mature and positive manner. If that doesn't work, get the police involved the next time without providing them with any additional warnings. If they're trying to get into your bar with a fake ID, have them arrested. And so on. You're not powerless, but sometimes you have to be a persistent pain in the a$$ to get anything accomplished. That's just the way it is. If you feel like the College administrators would be helpful in deterring future problems, then bring them into the process as well.

The fact that it costs money to prosecute these individuals and then incarcerate them has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they happen to be college students. You aren't suggesting that if the colleges weren't here that we wouldn't have any of these problems, are you? Because last I heard, outside of the Wido conviction, the most serious crimes here in Geneva were not committed by members of the College community.

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#898431 --- 10/13/08 05:23 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Qwill Pen]
Geneva_grl Offline
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HWS isn't the only school where these things happen. They happen on EVERY college campus (and off-campus). There is only so much that the Colleges can do, and these students (the ones that do get in some major trouble) are disciplined, either by the Deans or, in some cases, they are kicked out.

I wish all the nay-sayers on here could be around some of the students that I'm around on a daily basis. Then they would see the GOOD apples.

In the last few years, we have had a Rhodes Scholar (a William Smith woman), young men and women receiving Fulbrights and science fellowships. It's funny how a few immature students can wipe out all of the good things that happen at the Colleges. Look to the future, we will have more Rhodes Scholars, more Fulbrights and more science fellows.

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#898630 --- 10/13/08 09:28 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Geneva_grl]
SFisWonderful Offline
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Registered: 03/30/08
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Loc: NEW YORK
Originally Posted By: ghost7
DRIVE DOWN PULTNEY ST WHEN THESE KIDS ARE CROSSING THE STREET. I KNOW YEILD TO THE PEDESTRIAN..... THEY DONT EVEN LOOK BEFORE STEPING INTO THE CROSSWALK THEY JUST WALK NO MATTER HOW FAST YOU ARE DRIVING THEY JUST STEP OUT.



I did drive down Pultney St. They might as well make the whole street a cross walk. Every 5 ft theres a crosswalk section, god for bid you hit one of the college's moneymakers! who's at fault. YOU ARE. Pay attention! SPOILED KID X'ING AHEAD!

Why dont they just close that section off to the college.

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#898663 --- 10/13/08 11:30 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: SFisWonderful]
metsno1 Offline
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Loc: Geneva
Originally Posted By: SFisWonderful
Every 5 ft theres a crosswalk section, god for bid you hit one of the college's moneymakers! who's at fault. YOU ARE. Pay attention! SPOILED KID X'ING AHEAD!

Why dont they just close that section off to the college.


Yeah, you're right. Giving those spoiled little brats a crosswalk is ridiculous. We should set up a toll for them to cross city streets so we can recoup all the millions of dollars the Colleges cost our community every year.

I mean, it'd be different if those Colleges created jobs, provided cultural opportunities, offered free access to a top-notch library, fielded quality sports teams that actually played here in town, filled our hotels many times a year, had students and faculty that supported local businesses, or any of those things really. But since none of that happens, let's rant about how inconvenient it is to deal with a crosswalk "every 5 ft." That'll make us feel better.

You'd almost think that the pedestrian, which is a big word for spoiled little college brat, had the right of way when they crossed the street.

Oh, wait a second.....they DO as long as they don't jump out in front of you [Section 1151, NYS Vehicle & Traffic Law]. But why let the logic of the law get in the way of a good rant, right?

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#898714 --- 10/14/08 05:48 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: SFisWonderful]
Geneva_grl Offline
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It is not only the kids that cross over Pulteney Street. Faculty and staff also have to cross there to get to the Post Office, the copy center, and to the dining facilities. These people are employees of the Colleges. Have we, also, no right to cross Pulteney Street? Or are we spoiled brat employees? SF unless you work or go to school there, you really have no clue.

Also, during the past year, there were extensive renovations made to the Scandling Center, which is the pulse of the campus, if you will, along with renovations to the Library. Of course,students, faculty and staff alike will be crossing Pulteney Street to get to these facilities. How else are they to get there? Fly, perhaps?

Have you ever tried to cross South Main Street, at the crosswalk, and ignorant people don't even stop? It's like taking your life in your hands every time you try to cross. These are CITY streets, they don't belong to the Colleges, and if drivers would just use the common courtesy to stop and let pedestrians cross, life would be much easier. No one is in that much of a hurry that they can't stop for a minute to let others cross these streets.

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#898736 --- 10/14/08 08:08 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Geneva_grl]
Genevan Offline
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Registered: 04/20/08
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Loc: Geneva
Didn't a local run over a visiting scholars wife killing her at the corner of pultney 2 years ago?

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#898775 --- 10/14/08 10:54 AM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Genevan]
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Originally Posted By: Genevan
Didn't a local run over a visiting scholars wife killing her at the corner of pultney 2 years ago?



It was a truck driver who hit a college employee who was walking to work. Nice spin on things with the use of the words local and scholars wife.
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#898794 --- 10/14/08 12:02 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: Taxpayer14456]
Genevan Offline
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What spin are you implying?

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#898836 --- 10/14/08 02:18 PM Re: Let's take it easy on the Hobart kids [Re: SFisWonderful]
Geneve4072 Offline
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Registered: 08/15/08
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Loc: NY
First of all, not every kid that goes to Hobart and William Smith is a spoiled brat. Perhaps you are jealous that they were able to afford a better education than yourself? Anyway, it is a college, and students have to get to classes by crossing the street. This happens at colleges all over the world, and college students are not always going to look before they cross the street. This is not because they go to HWS and to imply so is simply ridiculous. If you do not work at or live in the area, then you really shouldn't complain. It's one side street. Find another one and stop being jealous of HWS. Thanks!

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