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#792824 --- 04/21/08 04:14 PM More convicted felons allowed to enlist
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More convicted felons allowed to enlist in Army, Marines By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - Under pressure to meet combat needs, the Army and Marine Corps brought in significantly more recruits with felony convictions last year than in 2006, including some with manslaughter and sex crime convictions.

Data released by a congressional committee shows the number of soldiers admitted to the Army with felony records jumped from 249 in 2006 to 511 in 2007. And the number of Marines with felonies rose from 208 to 350.

Those numbers represent a fraction of the more than 180,000 recruits brought in by the active duty Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines during the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2007. But they highlight a trend that has raised concerns both within the military and on Capitol Hill.

The bulk of the crimes involved were burglaries, other thefts, and drug offenses, but nine involved sex crimes and six involved manslaughter or vehicular homicide convictions. Several dozen Army and Marine recruits had aggravated assault or robbery convictions, including incidents involving weapons.

Both the Army and Marine Corps have been struggling to increase their numbers as part of a broader effort to meet the combat needs of a military fighting wars on two fronts. As a result, the number of recruits needing waivers for crimes or other bad conduct has grown in recent years, as well as those needing medical or aptitude waivers.

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#792826 --- 04/21/08 04:16 PM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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The rough situation the Army is in has affected a local vet, too:
Area disabled soldier recalled by Army
Alan Morrell • Staff writer • April 21, 2008

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James "Jamie" Raymond joined the Army a week before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The Irondequoit High School graduate was sent to Afghanistan, where he was injured and sent home. He thought that was the end of his military career. But a week ago, the Army ordered him back, and he can't understand why.

"I spent my three years there, and they said, 'You're all done,'" said Raymond, 26, who graduated from Irondequoit High in 2000. "I was told there was no way for me to get called back up unless World War III broke out. When I got the letter, I thought it was a joke."

Raymond had been an Army specialist in southern Afghanistan when he blew out a knee while hiking and developed tinnitus after a mortar shell exploded nearby. He was sent back to the United States for knee surgery and honorably discharged from military duty in August 2004, a month shy of his three-year commitment because of accrued leave time that he didn't use.

Since his return, Raymond has attended Monroe Community College and now is attending the State University at Buffalo, where he is studying communications. The Army has ordered him to report by May 18 to Fort Benning, Ga., where he could be sent back to active duty.

That's when he should be taking his final exams.

Politicians including Reps. Louise Slaughter, Thomas Reynolds and Brian Higgins and Sen. Hillary Clinton have contacted Raymond and offered support, he said. Raymond also has heard from people with polar opposite opinions about the war, and he's angry that his case is becoming politicized. "I'm not anti-war whatsoever," he said Friday by phone from Buffalo. "All this is about is my situation and getting called up. If I could go over and serve again, I'd do it in a ... heartbeat. But my knee is messed up; I'm disabled. I'm afraid I'll get myself or someone else killed, and I refuse to do that."

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#793929 --- 04/23/08 12:21 PM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Wow...yet another post on a topic you have posted on before. It's been happening now for quite a long time. It's really not even news worthy anymore.
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#793946 --- 04/23/08 12:53 PM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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Yes, it is. If you care about the troops which many of you profess to do, but don't its important.
Our Army and Marines are overstretched and deteriorating. We need to accept the reality that there are many more important threats to deal with than Iraq, and realign our troops, and focus on the important missions. Until we are out of Iraq we cannot do that.

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#794499 --- 04/24/08 10:30 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
Yes, it is. If you care about the troops which many of you profess to do, but don't its important.
Our Army and Marines are overstretched and deteriorating. We need to accept the reality that there are many more important threats to deal with than Iraq, and realign our troops, and focus on the important missions. Until we are out of Iraq we cannot do that.



That's all fine and dandy but copying/pasting articles on here that appear several times a year is doing nothing to help the situation. We all know allowing felons into the service is a bad idea but chatting it up on the forums won't help the problem.

So stop pretending to be the great crusader for the cause. For every negative article you copy and paste a positive article can be found to the contrary.
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#794526 --- 04/24/08 11:02 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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Oh, can it? Then why don't you paste it?
When everyone agrees that invading Iraq was a bad idea and staying in Iraq is a bad idea, and for the sake of the Army (among many other reasons) we need to begin withdrawing from Iraq I won't paste the articles. However, there are many still in denial who refuse to accept the reality that the Iraq war was never worth fighting.

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#794533 --- 04/24/08 11:09 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Sooo all I have to do is admit the war was a bad idea and it will end?

Ok...the war was a bad idea.

Has it ended yet?
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#794537 --- 04/24/08 11:13 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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Why don't you do a poll of your like minded posters? Ask sj, lil stye, FM, Odysseus, etc. what they think. When they all agree and stop posting nonsense about a military victory in Iraq, I'll be satisfied.
They've gotten pretty quiet because the news has been so consistently bad, but they are still in denial.

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#794540 --- 04/24/08 11:17 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
Why don't you do a poll of your like minded posters? Ask sj, lil stye, FM, Odysseus, etc. what they think. When they all agree and stop posting nonsense about a military victory in Iraq, I'll be satisfied.
They've gotten pretty quiet because the news has been so consistently bad, but they are still in denial.



Ohhh I see now, it's about those of us who do support the troops and that's whats bothering you.

Personally, I admire Strawberry Jam's patriotism.

Has it ended yet?

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#794545 --- 04/24/08 11:22 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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No, you need to read Major General Baptiste's speech to the Pittsford Rotary. Those of us that love the troops are concerned about what bush and his unnecessary war have done to the Army want this counterproductive war to end.
You "chickenhawk cheerleaders" are willing to stand and cheer to the last drop of blood of the troops while professing to support them.

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#794549 --- 04/24/08 11:28 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Why hasn't it ended then? I admitted to it being wrong like you wanted.
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#794550 --- 04/24/08 11:30 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
Why don't you do a poll of your like minded posters? Ask sj, lil stye, FM, Odysseus, etc. what they think. When they all agree and stop posting nonsense about a military victory in Iraq, I'll be satisfied.
They've gotten pretty quiet because the news has been so consistently bad, but they are still in denial.



Ohhh I see now, it's about those of us who do support the troops and that's whats bothering you.

Personally, I admire Strawberry Jam's patriotism.

Has it ended yet?



Well he doesn't know where Darfur is. LOL



But he knows the State of Denial all too well. ;\)


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#794551 --- 04/24/08 11:32 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Why don't you do a poll of your like minded posters? Ask sj, lil stye, FM, Odysseus, etc. what they think. When they all agree and stop posting nonsense about a military victory in Iraq, I'll be satisfied.
They've gotten pretty quiet because the news has been so consistently bad, but they are still in denial.


Hold one hand out and the other on your butt and see which one gets filled first.

Your post is an open admission that you will accept nothing short of a US defeat.

I don't reply to many of your absurdly ridiculous posts because that would be like engaging a one-legged man in a butt kicking contest - and that just wouldn't be fair!
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#794619 --- 04/24/08 01:40 PM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Odysseus]
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As usual, you bring nothing intelligent to the discussion. You cannot dispute the reality that the Iraq war has been a failure so...you talk personalities.
The US Military said over 3 years ago that a military victory is not possible in Iraq. Like the 1968 election in the US where Nixon lied about his secret plan to end the war and instead needless fought on and doubled the casualties, bush ignored the bi-partisan Iraq Study Group. Today, he and you are responsible for one US KIA and 7-8 US WIA and $500 million in borrowed Chinese money being needlessly wasted.
The withdrawal has already begun. The Army cannot sustain these troop levels in Iraq. After the election the withdrawal will begin in earnest and the Iraqis will no longer be able to hide behind US troops. They will have to defend their country or not.

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#795204 --- 04/25/08 11:12 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Odysseus]
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Originally Posted By: Odysseus
Hold one hand out and the other on your butt and see which one gets filled first.

Your post is an open admission that you will accept nothing short of a US defeat.

I don't reply to many of your absurdly ridiculous posts because that would be like engaging a one-legged man in a butt kicking contest - and that just wouldn't be fair!



So if the U.S. pulls out today and theirs a defeat Retired Soldier will still complain. The U.S. stays he still complains.
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#795218 --- 04/25/08 11:44 AM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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At best you might try to join the discussion and add your ideas based on the information available.
At least you could make an honest attempt to understand what is being posted.
We have already been defeated in Iraq. None of the original objectives and justifications for the war have been accomplished. The solve "victory" was the elimination of Saddam, but that has lead to the destruction of Iraq as a counter balance to the real threat in the region, Iran.

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#795518 --- 04/25/08 06:23 PM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Quote:
RS Wrote:

As usual, you bring nothing intelligent to the discussion.


Another gem of wisdom from the "King of Cut and Paste"!
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#795556 --- 04/25/08 07:07 PM Re: More convicted felons allowed to enlist [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
At best you might try to join the discussion and add your ideas based on the information available.
At least you could make an honest attempt to understand what is being posted.
We have already been defeated in Iraq. None of the original objectives and justifications for the war have been accomplished. The solve "victory" was the elimination of Saddam, but that has lead to the destruction of Iraq as a counter balance to the real threat in the region, Iran.

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