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#779567 --- 03/28/08 05:15 PM Transgender Man To Give Birth
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5651558.html

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The parent-to-be was born female but identifies as a man, he writes in his first-person account posted this week by The Advocate, a national gay publication. He legally changed his name to Thomas Beatie and married a woman named Nancy. Beatie declined to answer questions, citing an exclusive contract with another media outlet.

About 10 years ago, Beatie underwent breast-removal surgery and started male hormones, he writes, but kept the uterus and female genitals. After moving from Hawaii to Bend, the couple decided two years ago to have a child.

Nancy couldn't carry the child because she had had a hysterectomy. So Beatie stopped testosterone injections, and menstrual periods returned within four months. He said he conceived through artificial insemination at home with sperm bought from a sperm bank and that he didn't take fertility drugs.

Doctors said the case, while exceptional, is believable.

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#779641 --- 03/28/08 05:59 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Highlander]
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It wont be long before they will have come up with a way for men born men to have babys...someones working on it now Im sure....the worlds gone wacky
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#779645 --- 03/28/08 06:04 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: donedirtcheap]
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Originally Posted By: donedirtcheap
It wont be long before they will have come up with a way for men born men to have babys...someones working on it now Im sure....the worlds gone wacky


"He" can call himself a he all he wants but in reality...it's a SHE. God knows what kind of effect all of this testosterone therapy will have on the child.
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#779653 --- 03/28/08 06:16 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: stargatersg1]
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I realize this individual was BORN a woman and there fore can concieve and carry a child(women also have testosterone too,just not as much)dew to not having the testies to produce it once she quit the injections her body went back to its normal hormone levels ,Im sure still having the "female' parts.Time will tell if this will indeed cause complications.

I was reffering to them coming up with a way for men BORN men to carry a child full term....science has no limits today...as I said earlier...theres probably some scientist checking into it now.
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#779674 --- 03/28/08 06:39 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: stargatersg1]
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"God knows what kind of effect all of this testosterone therapy will have on the child."

It's got to have some effect, for sure. Maybe he'll move to Canada, instead of staying in Bent and Twisted, Oregon.
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#779755 --- 03/28/08 08:54 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: VM Smith]
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can you say freakazoid
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#779772 --- 03/28/08 09:16 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: seneca_lady]
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Twenty years later, "Daddy, are you really my Mommy?"

I hope they have an account for therapy and college.
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#779792 --- 03/28/08 10:10 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: AnneSmile]
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Ring a ding ding..

Your next mission, Clarence,
if you choose to accept...
(will earn you your second set of wings)

Are you up for the task ??

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#780616 --- 03/30/08 09:54 AM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Highlander]
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A child raised in an atmosphere of love and caring will be OK.
No matter if the parents are biological, adopted, same sex or transgendered. I believe any other belief is just bigotry.
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#780744 --- 03/30/08 01:20 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Rick-the-Builder]
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I agree - having a transgendered parent (or any other "non-traditional" family makeup) doesn't necessarily put one at the head of the line for therapy. Children born of "normal" families obviously make up far more of the total number of people in therapy, simply because more people come from "normal" family situations than "abnormal" or "alternative".

Here's another story about a transgendered person in the news right now.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/03/26/transgendered.author.ap/index.html
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#780776 --- 03/30/08 01:51 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Rick-the-Builder]
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Why does everything have to be bigotry when someone questions or makes a comment?

It is not bigotry, it is concern for a child that will have to deal with people questioning and possible ridicule once others find out who they are. Hopefully they will be able to have a relatively private life but in todays age good luck with that.

I agree that the child should be OK if they are raised in a loving a supporting environment. Therapy is a given for the father, he would have had to have it before the surgery. Therapy does not mean a person is harmed or even that they would be confused in any way. Therapy can be an outlet to talk with an impartial party who helps someone put there thoughts and feelings together along with helping them to understand why people who do not even know them feel they have the right to attack and or ridicule.

My comment should have been worded differently but it was still accurate. You assumed it was bigotry, it was not. It is a reality in todays world.

You can have the best parents in the world but still the outside world can make one question themselves.
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#780842 --- 03/30/08 03:06 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: AnneSmile]
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And that outside questioning is bigotry.
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#780843 --- 03/30/08 03:10 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Coach64]
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Nope as I have no hatred or intolerance. Time to learn a new word.

bigot

Main Entry:
big·ot Listen to the pronunciation of bigot
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Date:
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: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
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#780844 --- 03/30/08 03:14 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: AnneSmile]
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I personally wish this family the best, as long as they are happy and content that is all that matters.

I am a gossip

gossip

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Text: friendly, informal conversation or an instance of this <stayed at the water fountain for a little gossip> — see chat
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#780848 --- 03/30/08 03:27 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: AnneSmile]
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Im not saying you do, your argument that the outside world will find something wrong with it is an example of bigotry.
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#781305 --- 03/31/08 10:31 AM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: AnneSmile]
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My thought is that this child will most likely be raised understanding the situation surrounding his/her birth. Most likely this child will have a more secure and loving family then many other children born in this world.
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#781395 --- 03/31/08 01:26 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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I think the whole thing is freakin bizzare. The poor child will be so confused in life. Why is all I want to know.
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#781414 --- 03/31/08 01:52 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Yetta Nother]
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It's my understanding that most people want children. I wonder why "normal" people want them quite often - when they are wailing and hanging out of their mom's cart in the grocery store, when I have to wait for some lady with three or four squalling brats to find whatever it is she's looking for in her purse in line ahead of me at the gas station, when some dude is trying to wrestle his daughter into a stall in the men's room looking like a deer caught in the headlights...

"Why" is the same reason anyone wants kids. "Because".
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#781418 --- 03/31/08 02:04 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Yetta Nother]
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Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
I think the whole thing is freakin bizzare. The poor child will be so confused in life. Why is all I want to know.


I highly doubt the kid will be confused at all. Most likely the kid will have a higher degree of understanding when it comes to accepting people for being different than the "Norm".
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#781420 --- 03/31/08 02:07 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Very nice post TRD \:\)

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#781469 --- 03/31/08 03:10 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Originally Posted By: TRD_Tacoma
Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
I think the whole thing is freakin bizzare. The poor child will be so confused in life. Why is all I want to know.


I highly doubt the kid will be confused at all. Most likely the kid will have a higher degree of understanding when it comes to accepting people for being different than the "Norm".


Possibly....it's hard to say. I think the child will end up getting alot of flack from this situation.
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#781488 --- 03/31/08 03:51 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Yetta Nother]
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Children get ridicule from other children regardless. From what I have witnissed, non-traditional parents really go the extra distance to ensure that their children are able to cope and understand. I would have much more concern for a child born into a family that has a history of violence over a child that has non-traditional parents, such as transgendered people or gay/lesbian couples.
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#781503 --- 03/31/08 04:39 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Originally Posted By: TRD_Tacoma
Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
I think the whole thing is freakin bizzare. The poor child will be so confused in life. Why is all I want to know.


I highly doubt the kid will be confused at all. Most likely the kid will have a higher degree of understanding when it comes to accepting people for being different than the "Norm".


I agree..I think this child, because it was born into such a non-traditional atmosphere will have a much greater understanding of what "is" and what most people "think" is "normal"..

The only way to find out is to wait and see...Anything else is pure speculation...No one can say for sure how the situation will turn out.
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#782168 --- 04/01/08 03:58 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Originally Posted By: TRD_Tacoma
Children get ridicule from other children regardless. From what I have witnissed, non-traditional parents really go the extra distance to ensure that their children are able to cope and understand. I would have much more concern for a child born into a family that has a history of violence over a child that has non-traditional parents, such as transgendered people or gay/lesbian couples.


I completely agree that I would rather have my child raised by a transgender than a physical abuser. People who physically abuse have much worse underlying issues.
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#782237 --- 04/01/08 06:16 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: past tense]
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"when some dude is trying to wrestle his daughter into a stall in the men's room looking like a deer caught in the headlights..."

Jeez. If you keep hanging out in men's rooms, you're bound to run into Larry Craig, sooner or later.
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#782244 --- 04/01/08 06:28 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: Rick-the-Builder]
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absolutely! \:\)

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#782472 --- 04/02/08 12:05 AM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: MorganHills]
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Oprah's Thursday show is going to have this "man" and his wife as guests.
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#782638 --- 04/02/08 09:16 AM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: SilverFox]
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It might be an intersting show. I would imagine that if this individual was willing to go off his hormone treatments in order to be able to conceive and to give his wife the child she wants, these two people must be very much in love and this child is very much wanted. It's too bad more of the children born today are not born into families that truely want children.
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#784312 --- 04/04/08 04:34 PM Re: Transgender Man To Give Birth [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Originally Posted By: TRD_Tacoma
It might be an intersting show. I would imagine that if this individual was willing to go off his hormone treatments in order to be able to conceive and to give his wife the child she wants, these two people must be very much in love and this child is very much wanted. It's too bad more of the children born today are not born into families that truely want children.


That may be all well and good, but it's misleading and is media crazy. I congradulate them and wish them the best BUT...."He" is NOT a he. She may look like a man and act like a man and even legally be declared a man..BUT genetically SHE is a woman. DNA will show she is female and she has all of the reproductive organs of a female , so I say What's the big freaking deal. It's another woman having a baby. They are clearly just two lesbians having a baby together.
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