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#75420 --- 11/23/04 08:37 AM Sex change killer?
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The man used to be a woman. Killed his wife of one month. Very interesting. I wonder if he/she will say it was the hormone drugs that made him/her do it?
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#75421 --- 11/23/04 08:41 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I feel terrible for these people who really do suffer from gender dysmorphia. Not that it excuses killing anyone. I'm just fascinated by it in general.

I'm interested to see this case unfold.
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#75422 --- 11/23/04 08:47 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I believe his lawyer is still standing by the story that he did not kill the wife.

Now, if he did kill her (I'm not saying he did or didn't, don't know enough about it to say either way), gets convicted and sent to prison, where do they place him? Obviously he has the DNA of a female but depending upon how far he has progressed with surgery, he might have the body parts of a man. Also, if he is placed in a men's prison, what are the chances that he will survive a week?

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#75423 --- 11/23/04 08:56 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I feel terrible for these people who really do suffer from gender dysmorphia. Not that it excuses killing anyone. I'm just fascinated by it in general.

I'm interested to see this case unfold.





Are you sure that is what this is called? I have heard of Body Dysmorhic Disorder and Dysmorphism but never heard this refered to as Gender Dysmorhia.

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#75424 --- 11/23/04 08:58 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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It's called all of those. We looked at the issue this year in my "Being Human" class re: gender roles.
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#75425 --- 11/23/04 09:01 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I Learned something new today.

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#75426 --- 11/23/04 09:57 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Now, if he did kill her (I'm not saying he did or didn't, don't know enough about it to say either way), gets convicted and sent to prison, where do they place him? Obviously he has the DNA of a female but depending upon how far he has progressed with surgery, he might have the body parts of a man. Also, if he is placed in a men's prison, what are the chances that he will survive a week?





They are having to deal with placement issues already! He is in the med. unit of the jail away from both general populations!

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#75427 --- 11/23/04 10:03 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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So Wayne County is already having to deal with circumstances that have never been dealt with in the past. Obviously more problems will arise as time goes forward. I can't imagine this is the first time a transgendered person has been charged with a crime and been incarcerated. What have other jails done in the past?
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#75428 --- 11/23/04 10:09 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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It isn't...there are actually cases where states paid for incarcerated individuals to receive sex reassignment surgery. Crazy! There's a case in England like that...I can't look now but if you Google you'll find a ton of stuff.
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#75429 --- 11/23/04 10:12 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Arent most gay people mean and ill tempered to begin with? Maybe the state should license or register them so we know where they are at all times.

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#75430 --- 11/23/04 10:19 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Gender dysmorphic people are not homosexuals - generally speaking it has little to do with sexual orientation. It is a mental - I hesitate to use the word "disorder", but... - issue which causes the person to believe (for whatever reason, biological or otherwise) that they are the "wrong" sex. For the most part MTF prefer men and FTM prefer F which makes them "straight" in the gender they believe they are.
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#75431 --- 11/23/04 10:48 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Arent most gay people mean and ill tempered to begin with? Maybe the state should license or register them so we know where they are at all times.




Sorry, not going to bite...

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#75432 --- 11/23/04 11:11 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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That's the most ignorant statement I have heard in a loooong time.

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#75433 --- 11/23/04 11:21 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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typical Ovidian post. Why Jim tolerates his presence on this forum is beyond me......
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#75434 --- 11/23/04 11:23 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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prolly the same way he is tolerating you

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#75435 --- 11/23/04 12:14 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Or you,

or me.....No wait

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#75436 --- 11/23/04 12:26 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Quote:

Arent most gay people mean and ill tempered to begin with? Maybe the state should license or register them so we know where they are at all times.




Sorry, not going to bite...


Ahhhh darn it! You never take the bait!!!

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#75437 --- 11/23/04 12:27 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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That's the most ignorant statement I have heard in a loooong time.


Yes , it would have to be.

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#75438 --- 11/23/04 12:47 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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The man used to be a woman. Killed his wife of one month. Very interesting. I wonder if he/she will say it was the hormone drugs that made him/her do it?




I wonder if she knew before she came to NY state? What a tragic story for all concerned. And no doubt they will try to blame the hormones for the killing. No one is ever responsible for anything, remember??

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#75439 --- 11/23/04 01:00 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I had the same thoughts. Most likely, she did not know he was previously a she. Maybe the wife found out the truth...and didn't handle it too well. Very sad situation no matter how you look at it.
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#75440 --- 11/23/04 01:07 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I've mentioned it before in another thread, but there is a movie called "Ma Vie en Rose" (My Life in Pink) which is a wonderful film about a young boy, about 7, who is simply convinced he is really a girl. Very touching and INFORMATIVE, since it differentiates between gender conflict and sexual orientation conflict.
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#75441 --- 11/23/04 01:08 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I know of a guy that likes wearing womens clothing (and the company of both men and women), but this is a whole different category. It truly is mind boggling how this will be handled by the county and/or state.

Our wonderful tax dollars will be put to another weird use.
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#75442 --- 11/23/04 06:53 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Where is my double puking icon when I need it???

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#75443 --- 11/23/04 07:37 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I was freaked out once at work - all alone in my makeup store when a guy came in browsing - offered to help him repeatedly - finally I noticed this mustached man - had funny pockets on his pants ... then I saw the pumps. My heart started racing and when he turned to talk to me - I saw the prosthetic breasts protruding from his ski jacket. He was a married guy...liked feminine clothing - needed my makeup expertise to cover the 5 o'clock shadow. A few days later - I met another one and another one - they were all over Cayuga and Onondago counties. Not a GAY thing always
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#75444 --- 11/24/04 04:54 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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There it is
Here is a fitting one

Sounds like a Jerry episode

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#75445 --- 11/24/04 09:36 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Did anyone see the before and after picture of this dudette. What a transformation! With the thick black mustache he/she looked like one of the characters from the super mario brothers game.

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#75446 --- 11/24/04 09:48 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Heres the story and pic...

http://www.waynetimes.com/features.html

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#75447 --- 11/24/04 09:51 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I think that guy made a pizza for me one time.

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#75448 --- 11/24/04 09:53 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Where is my double puking icon when I need it???




To really gross you out DT, I could send you a pic of this guy I know, in his favorite clothes. LOL!!
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#75449 --- 11/24/04 10:29 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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No picture of him as a her?

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#75450 --- 11/24/04 10:36 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I'd love to see what he/she looked like as a woman

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#75451 --- 11/24/04 10:39 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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#75452 --- 11/24/04 10:46 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Wow.... the Wayne County thread never had so many hits! LOL this could be very "good for business" on the FL1 boards.

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#75453 --- 11/24/04 11:09 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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thanks Jello

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#75454 --- 11/24/04 11:09 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Thanks Jelloshot! It's so hard to try to imagine the what would the person look like before.

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#75455 --- 11/25/04 09:51 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Wow.... the Wayne County thread never had so many hits! LOL this could be very "good for business" on the FL1 boards.




If you put "sex" in the thread's title you will get a lot of hits!
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#75456 --- 11/25/04 09:53 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I've mentioned it before in another thread, but there is a movie called "Ma Vie en Rose" (My Life in Pink) which is a wonderful film about a young boy, about 7, who is simply convinced he is really a girl. Very touching and INFORMATIVE, since it differentiates between gender conflict and sexual orientation conflict.




Very touching? Is that a Freudian slip?
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#75457 --- 11/26/04 08:55 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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No, it is a very touching film.
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#75458 --- 11/26/04 10:52 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I'd say a reverse bad case of PMS Dysmorphism
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#75459 --- 11/27/04 10:21 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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They don't look like the same person.
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#75460 --- 11/27/04 12:50 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I wouldn't have sex with either one of them
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#75461 --- 11/27/04 03:01 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Yea right! Who are you kidding? You would sleep with a snake if it had some ears to hold on to.

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#75462 --- 11/27/04 06:54 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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who told you about that?
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#75463 --- 11/27/04 06:55 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I think they look a lot alike

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#75464 --- 11/29/04 05:35 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Disturbing.

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#75465 --- 11/30/04 05:09 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Yeah... look at the nose. It's definitely the same person.

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#75466 --- 12/01/04 01:26 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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As much of a woman i am, if i had been born a man i think i would be in agony. i feel sorry for people who are born with that affliction.

I know someone who was born a woman and became a man. he was 3 years old telling his mother he was really a boy. I dont call that a fad or *sick* sad, yes, but sick, definitely not for those who are truly the opposite sex in their heart. It has nothing to do with being Gay or your sexual preference. Im sure some peopl do it for stupid reasons like that....

The poor woman who was killed, I think the story should be about her death, not his gender. NYS law- incarceration is decided providing which *jewels* you possess. unless he gets a forgiving judge and places him differently.

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#75467 --- 12/20/04 11:28 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Now after the media has ruined this guys life in re: to living here, he is found innocent of the charge.

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#75468 --- 12/20/04 11:29 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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???????????

Any news updates? He is innocent?
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#75469 --- 12/20/04 12:02 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Here it is..
Citing new findings surrounding the death of his wife on November 12, Craig Musso, became a free man again on Monday, almost one month to the day, after he was charged with her murder.

According to Wayne County District Attorney, Rick Healy, a possible rush to judgment on information from a Monroe County Medical Examiner, led to Musso's arrest for the strangulation of his wife, Linda L. White, age 43, who resided with her husband, on South Slocum Road in the Town of Ontario . “He may be innocent. He may not have done it,” admitted Healy.

http://www.waynetimes.com/features.html


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#75470 --- 12/20/04 03:34 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Is a lawsuit far behind? I mean they did ruin this guys identity and privacy beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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#75471 --- 12/20/04 05:55 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I also wonder how many HIPPA Rules were broken as a result?
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#75472 --- 12/20/04 06:42 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Exactly my thoughts TRD. HIPPA was put in to effect for our right to privacy, this person's rights were trashed BEFORE he had a day in court.

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#75473 --- 12/21/04 07:05 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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#75474 --- 12/22/04 07:50 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I cannot believe that our Wayne County taxes are going up at least 12% and all anyone wants to discuss is a sordid story about love, sex, and apparently not murder.

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#75475 --- 12/22/04 11:09 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Apathy - people will only be outraged by taxes when they start taking their houses
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#75476 --- 12/25/04 05:05 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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aren't HIPAA laws for medical professionals?; I don't think they really effect law enforcement;
Anyone can discuss medical issues of a friend or family member - however, if you work in the office of a medical professional - you can not discuss this information on any patient.
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#75477 --- 12/25/04 05:40 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Heres the story and pic...

http://www.waynetimes.com/features.html




This link took me to an updated story as of Dec 25th, not the original one. I am glad at least some media are trying to fix what they did to this poor man in the papers. The whole story is pretty much layed out and they also give background on the man...in his own words. I do believe his right to privacy was destroyed, and the "evidence" they had for murder was actually pretty weak altogther. Sad world we live in, as the article states, when the media cares more about a person's sexual orientation/gender than the "victim", which turned out to be a victim of an apparaetn heart attack in the end.

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#75478 --- 12/28/04 12:05 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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aren't HIPAA laws for medical professionals?; I don't think they really effect law enforcement;






You are correct, it (HIPPA) is only for Health Care providers, however there may be a case for civil rights violations.

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#75479 --- 12/29/04 09:17 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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#75480 --- 01/02/05 03:41 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Poor guy/gal/who cares? A person is born.....gap, gap, gap and then...they die. What you do in the gap between is your business as long as you don't hurt anyone. The case should have been about 'attempted murder' at the most and the persons personal life left alone. That glass house saying is quite appropriate.

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#75481 --- 01/02/05 03:50 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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exactly! if that individual wanted it known, fine...but to have it sensationalised, to be "outed" like that...I hope they have legal recourse against the county.

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#75482 --- 01/05/05 12:20 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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#75483 --- 01/06/05 10:35 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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#75484 --- 01/06/05 11:16 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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