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#75420 --- 11/23/04 08:37 AM Sex change killer?
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The man used to be a woman. Killed his wife of one month. Very interesting. I wonder if he/she will say it was the hormone drugs that made him/her do it?
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#75421 --- 11/23/04 08:41 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I feel terrible for these people who really do suffer from gender dysmorphia. Not that it excuses killing anyone. I'm just fascinated by it in general.

I'm interested to see this case unfold.
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#75422 --- 11/23/04 08:47 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I believe his lawyer is still standing by the story that he did not kill the wife.

Now, if he did kill her (I'm not saying he did or didn't, don't know enough about it to say either way), gets convicted and sent to prison, where do they place him? Obviously he has the DNA of a female but depending upon how far he has progressed with surgery, he might have the body parts of a man. Also, if he is placed in a men's prison, what are the chances that he will survive a week?

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#75423 --- 11/23/04 08:56 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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I feel terrible for these people who really do suffer from gender dysmorphia. Not that it excuses killing anyone. I'm just fascinated by it in general.

I'm interested to see this case unfold.





Are you sure that is what this is called? I have heard of Body Dysmorhic Disorder and Dysmorphism but never heard this refered to as Gender Dysmorhia.

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#75424 --- 11/23/04 08:58 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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It's called all of those. We looked at the issue this year in my "Being Human" class re: gender roles.
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#75425 --- 11/23/04 09:01 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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#75426 --- 11/23/04 09:57 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Now, if he did kill her (I'm not saying he did or didn't, don't know enough about it to say either way), gets convicted and sent to prison, where do they place him? Obviously he has the DNA of a female but depending upon how far he has progressed with surgery, he might have the body parts of a man. Also, if he is placed in a men's prison, what are the chances that he will survive a week?





They are having to deal with placement issues already! He is in the med. unit of the jail away from both general populations!

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#75427 --- 11/23/04 10:03 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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So Wayne County is already having to deal with circumstances that have never been dealt with in the past. Obviously more problems will arise as time goes forward. I can't imagine this is the first time a transgendered person has been charged with a crime and been incarcerated. What have other jails done in the past?
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#75428 --- 11/23/04 10:09 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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It isn't...there are actually cases where states paid for incarcerated individuals to receive sex reassignment surgery. Crazy! There's a case in England like that...I can't look now but if you Google you'll find a ton of stuff.
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#75429 --- 11/23/04 10:12 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Arent most gay people mean and ill tempered to begin with? Maybe the state should license or register them so we know where they are at all times.

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#75430 --- 11/23/04 10:19 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Gender dysmorphic people are not homosexuals - generally speaking it has little to do with sexual orientation. It is a mental - I hesitate to use the word "disorder", but... - issue which causes the person to believe (for whatever reason, biological or otherwise) that they are the "wrong" sex. For the most part MTF prefer men and FTM prefer F which makes them "straight" in the gender they believe they are.
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#75431 --- 11/23/04 10:48 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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Arent most gay people mean and ill tempered to begin with? Maybe the state should license or register them so we know where they are at all times.




Sorry, not going to bite...

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#75432 --- 11/23/04 11:11 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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That's the most ignorant statement I have heard in a loooong time.

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#75433 --- 11/23/04 11:21 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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typical Ovidian post. Why Jim tolerates his presence on this forum is beyond me......
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#75434 --- 11/23/04 11:23 AM Re: Sex change killer?
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prolly the same way he is tolerating you

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#75435 --- 11/23/04 12:14 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Or you,

or me.....No wait

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#75436 --- 11/23/04 12:26 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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Arent most gay people mean and ill tempered to begin with? Maybe the state should license or register them so we know where they are at all times.




Sorry, not going to bite...


Ahhhh darn it! You never take the bait!!!

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#75437 --- 11/23/04 12:27 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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That's the most ignorant statement I have heard in a loooong time.


Yes , it would have to be.

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#75438 --- 11/23/04 12:47 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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The man used to be a woman. Killed his wife of one month. Very interesting. I wonder if he/she will say it was the hormone drugs that made him/her do it?




I wonder if she knew before she came to NY state? What a tragic story for all concerned. And no doubt they will try to blame the hormones for the killing. No one is ever responsible for anything, remember??

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#75439 --- 11/23/04 01:00 PM Re: Sex change killer?
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I had the same thoughts. Most likely, she did not know he was previously a she. Maybe the wife found out the truth...and didn't handle it too well. Very sad situation no matter how you look at it.
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