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#731628 --- 01/14/08 09:52 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


Ward of the federal government.
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#731750 --- 01/14/08 11:30 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


Ward of the federal government.


Why dont you admit you either:
1. Hate the American Indian, or Native American, rather...
2. Are so stuck with the premise of taxing everyone and thing that moves, you cannot stand it if someone gets away with not paying taxes...
or:
3. Actually ARE a Commie, ex-hippie drug infested loonie bird.
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#731837 --- 01/14/08 12:32 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


Ward of the federal government.


Why dont you admit you either:
1. Hate the American Indian, or Native American, rather...
2. Are so stuck with the premise of taxing everyone and thing that moves, you cannot stand it if someone gets away with not paying taxes...
or:
3. Actually ARE a Commie, ex-hippie drug infested loonie bird.





Do you use a passport when you leave the rez?


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#732650 --- 01/15/08 07:39 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


Ward of the federal government.


Why dont you admit you either:
1. Hate the American Indian, or Native American, rather...
2. Are so stuck with the premise of taxing everyone and thing that moves, you cannot stand it if someone gets away with not paying taxes...
or:
3. Actually ARE a Commie, ex-hippie drug infested loonie bird.





Do you use a passport when you leave the rez?


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There used to be an era when sovereign nations did not require papers or a passport to move back and forth across borders. Now suppose the American Indian, every reservation in every state had banded together, to block access to their lands. Add that they would require either a passport or a toll.
Take into account the rumour that the Senecas were planning a toll booth at the start and end of their property on Interstate 90 (the Thruway to you), south of Buffalo.
Would you rather have that?
Would you rather have dead NYS troopers and county cops?
Would you like to see tires burning on the I?

Now ask your question again.... to yourself.
...bloody Nazi...
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#732656 --- 01/15/08 07:58 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
bluezone Offline
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


Ward of the federal government.


Why dont you admit you either:
1. Hate the American Indian, or Native American, rather...
2. Are so stuck with the premise of taxing everyone and thing that moves, you cannot stand it if someone gets away with not paying taxes...
or:
3. Actually ARE a Commie, ex-hippie drug infested loonie bird.





Do you use a passport when you leave the rez?


.


I will conclude that you do not use a passport when you leave the rez.
Reason would follow that the tribes are not sovereign like other real countries that require a passport.
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#732659 --- 01/15/08 08:00 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
bluezone Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


Ward of the federal government.


Why dont you admit you either:
1. Hate the American Indian, or Native American, rather...


What is an "American" indian?

Please point out the post that says that I hate the indian?


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#732660 --- 01/15/08 08:06 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


Ward of the federal government.


Why dont you admit you either:
2. Are so stuck with the premise of taxing everyone and thing that moves, you cannot stand it if someone gets away with not paying taxes...


Do they not receive money from local, state and federal governments but refuse to pay taxes?




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Tribes win grant for addiction program
By DIANE COCHRAN
Of The Gazette Staff

A $5.6 million federal grant awarded to the Montana-Wyoming Tribal Leaders Council will help American Indian communities battle addictions to methamphetamine and other substances.

The money, to be dispensed over three years, will fund the Rocky Mountain Tribal Access to Recovery, a new program designed to broaden treatment and support systems available to tribal members with addictions.



About 15 percent of American Indians in Montana and Wyoming, or about 11,000 people, need some form of substance abuse treatment, Cline said, but only 4,000 of them are getting it.

The Montana-Wyoming Tribal Leaders Council was among 24 entities to receive a total of $98 million in the second round of funding.
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#732661 --- 01/15/08 08:08 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


Ward of the federal government.


Why dont you admit you either:

3. Actually ARE a Commie, ex-hippie drug infested loonie bird.


Sounds like what a 2-year old would say.


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#732665 --- 01/15/08 08:15 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage

There used to be an era when sovereign nations did not require papers or a passport to move back and forth across borders.



The world evolves unlike some.

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Now suppose the American Indian, every reservation in every state had banded together, to block access to their lands. Add that they would require either a passport or a toll.



Do you see people flocking to the rez?

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Take into account the rumour that the Senecas were planning a toll booth at the start and end of their property on Interstate 90 (the Thruway to you), south of Buffalo.
Would you rather have that?



Let them try as their sales will suffer.

Originally Posted By: Sausage

Would you rather have dead NYS troopers and county cops?



Is this a threat?

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Would you like to see tires burning on the I?



Could you defend yourself against China, Japan, Iran...?

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Now ask your question again.... to yourself.
...bloody Nazi...



And what country defended you against the nazi?


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#732677 --- 01/15/08 08:56 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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by RT



...My stats come from the US Census, BIA, NIGC, SBA and Dept. of Labor. Of course their stats are never "current". But from 1989 to 2003 percentage of household income increase for whites was 5%, Asian 6%, Hispanic 7%, Black 17%, and American Indian 32%. From 2000 to 2004 the American Indian population increased 23% from 2.2 to 2.7 million; federal spending on Indian programs increased 58% from $3.6 billion to $5.7 billion; and tribal revenue from gambling increased 207% from $6.3 billion to $19.4 billion. American Indians moved from 4th to 3rd out of the five ethnic distinctions, ahead of Hispanic and Black.

Lets see - 19.4 billion in just gambling added to $5.7 billion in tax funded freebies = $25.1 billion for 2.7 million American Indians, or $929 million per Indian each YEAR. Even just using the $5.7 billion in taxes comes to $211 Million per Indian per year. This leads me to believe that your statement of the rich getting richer may be true, but your adding "not Native Americans" is false.

... trust lands don't apply to New York State.
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#732814 --- 01/15/08 12:08 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage

There used to be an era when sovereign nations did not require papers or a passport to move back and forth across borders.



The world evolves unlike some.

>such as yourself... as a tax-um-big communist?<

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Now suppose the American Indian, every reservation in every state had banded together, to block access to their lands. Add that they would require either a passport or a toll.



Do you see people flocking to the rez?

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Take into account the rumour that the Senecas were planning a toll booth at the start and end of their property on Interstate 90 (the Thruway to you), south of Buffalo.
Would you rather have that?



Let them try as their sales will suffer.

>I doubt it.

Originally Posted By: Sausage

Would you rather have dead NYS troopers and county cops?



Is this a threat?


>Nope.. but Im sure it would come to that..
Originally Posted By: Sausage


Would you like to see tires burning on the I?



Could you defend yourself against China, Japan, Iran...?

You are pretty much out there, arent ya...

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Now ask your question again.... to yourself.
...bloody Nazi...



And what country defended you against the nazi?

>That question has nothing to do with the discussion... ya ding dong.<
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#732857 --- 01/15/08 12:50 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage

There used to be an era when sovereign nations did not require papers or a passport to move back and forth across borders.



The world evolves unlike some.


Originally Posted By: Sausage


>such as yourself... as a tax-um-big communist?<



Can you name a developed country that does not impose taxes to provide for it citizens?

And where do you think the $929 million per indian per year comes from?

BooooHooooo
the tribes want free hand-outs but whine when they have to pay taxes.
BoooooooooHoooooooooo


Does it fall from the clouds?
And I bet if the money stopped then the indians would compalin about that as well.

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Now suppose the American Indian, every reservation in every state had banded together, to block access to their lands. Add that they would require either a passport or a toll.



Do you see people flocking to the rez?



Originally Posted By: Sausage


Take into account the rumour that the Senecas were planning a toll booth at the start and end of their property on Interstate 90 (the Thruway to you), south of Buffalo.
Would you rather have that?



Let them try as their sales will suffer.
Originally Posted By: Sausage

>I doubt it.


Who would pay to go on the rez?


Originally Posted By: Sausage

Would you rather have dead NYS troopers and county cops?



Is this a threat?


Originally Posted By: Sausage

>Nope.. but Im sure it would come to that..


Originally Posted By: Sausage


Would you like to see tires burning on the I?



Could you defend yourself against China, Japan, Iran...?

Originally Posted By: Sausage

You are pretty much out there, arent ya...


Sorry that you cannot keep up with the 21 century.

Originally Posted By: Sausage


Now ask your question again.... to yourself.
...bloody Nazi...



And what country defended you against the nazi?



Originally Posted By: Sausage

>That question has nothing to do with the discussion... ya ding dong.<



Are you not the one that brought up nazi?

Feel free not to asnwer the question because we all know the answer is the US has defended you for all these years but yet you fail to acknowledge it. Keep looking for another free hand-out.

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#732899 --- 01/15/08 01:43 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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Debate this issue all you want, but if your dont control yourselves with the personal bickering the thread will be shut down.

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#732947 --- 01/15/08 03:31 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: FL1 Mod 2]
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Hey it doesnt matter to me...go for it.
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#733036 --- 01/15/08 06:34 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Mr. Spitzer do you need more money to balance the budget?

Start collecting the taxes from the tribes.



Or open a "New York State" Casino.




Or better yet, both! ;\)
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#733037 --- 01/15/08 06:34 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Mr. Spitzer do you need more money to balance the budget?

Start collecting the taxes from the tribes.



Or open a "New York State" Casino.




Or better yet, both! ;\)
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#734280 --- 01/18/08 07:15 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: SkySoldier]
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Hey Spitzer! Get rid of the waste programs in your own party and get rid of Cuomo! Maybe then you can balance the budget!
fools....
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#734297 --- 01/18/08 08:03 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Hey Spitzer! Get rid of the waste programs in your own party and get rid of Cuomo! Maybe then you can balance the budget!
fools....


Or just collect all the overdue taxes from the tribes.

a few billion dollars over the years.



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#735408 --- 01/20/08 01:30 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Hey Spitzer! Get rid of the indian programs in your own state and Maybe then you can balance the budget!
fools....




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#736137 --- 01/21/08 05:52 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Is there any links you know of radily available to research what has to be hundreds of US Government / Native American treaties?



Gotta be hundreds of them.
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