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#716625 --- 12/24/07 01:31 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Why do you hate American Indians?


And what post have I stated that?


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#717242 --- 12/26/07 08:25 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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I WAS JUST WONDERING, MANY MOONS AGO THE INDIANS KILLED MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER, TOOK HIS LAND AND HIS CATTLE, CANT I SUE THEM NOW FOR PAIN AN SUFFERING AN RIGHTS TO MY LAND,,KINDA LIKE WHAT THERE DOIN, OH WAIT IF I DID THAT I WOULD SOMEHOW BE PREJUDICE, RACIST OR SOMETHIN STUPID LIKE THAT.
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#718234 --- 12/28/07 08:04 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: dmills30ny]
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I WAS JUST WONDERING, MANY MOONS AGO THE INDIANS KILLED MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER, TOOK HIS LAND AND HIS CATTLE, CANT I SUE THEM NOW FOR PAIN AN SUFFERING AN RIGHTS TO MY LAND,,KINDA LIKE WHAT THERE DOIN, OH WAIT IF I DID THAT I WOULD SOMEHOW BE PREJUDICE, RACIST OR SOMETHIN STUPID LIKE THAT.


There is the double standard.
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#722438 --- 01/02/08 08:55 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
Why do you hate American Indians?


And what post have I stated that?




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#723012 --- 01/02/08 09:40 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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You may proceed BlueZone. The spammers have been outed for the moment. If it aint news. If they just want to post off websites they back, then it does not belong here or in the debate thread.
They do not post Headline news they post SPAM PROPAGANDA in both places. Egads this is getting old.
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#724096 --- 01/04/08 09:15 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: boxer]
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#724898 --- 01/05/08 07:43 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Drug Bust Biggest in Wayne County (sound)

15 people have been arrested in what's being called the biggest drug bust in Wayne County history. Suspects from Wayne, Ontario and Monroe Counties are among those rounded up today in the culmination of an investigation that began in February. Newark Police Chief Richard Bogan tells R News the cops took down a major organization.

Ontario County Sheriff Phil Povero says the arrests will definitely make Ontario County residents safer.

Authorities say the drug ring was smuggling pot through the --Mohawk Indian reservation-- in northern New York, along the Canadian border. 400 thousand dollars and 130 pounds of pot were seized.




St. Regis Mohawk Tribe responds to BIA rejection


The St. Regis Mohawk Tribe of New York today said Indian Country is getting "screwed" by the Bush administration on off-reservation gaming.

Tribal chiefs slammed the Bureau of Indian Affairs for rejecting their land-into-trust application for an off-reservation casino. The $600 million project is supported by the local community and Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D).

But Jim Cason, the assistant deputy secretary at the Interior Department, said the project would not be in the best interests of the tribe. in a letter today, he said the proposed benefits would not help tribal members who live on the reservation, more than 300 miles from the casino site.

"While the financial benefits of the proposed gaming facility might create revenues for the tribe and may mitigate some potential negative impacts, the tribe's application fails to carefully address and comprehensively analyze the potential negative impacts on reservation life and does not clearly demonstrate why these negative impacts should be out weighed by the financial benefits of tribal ownership of a remote gaming facility," Cason wrote in the four-page letter.

In response, tribal leaders called the decision paternalistic. “The language contained within the decision strikes me as a brazen paternalistic assault against not only the Mohawks but all of Indian Country. The clear message is that Indians belong on reservations and should be content to receive handouts and commodity cheese from the federal government," said Chief Lorraine White.




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#724905 --- 01/05/08 07:47 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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How can the tribe have $600 million dollars for a casino but says that it must rely on cheese hand-outs?

Are their casinos, tax free gas, tax free cigs... not making any profits?
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#725179 --- 01/05/08 12:18 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians, but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

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Would it make more sense for spitzer to collect the unpaid taxes of over $895 million per year on cigarettes or receive $20 million from a casino?
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#726767 --- 01/07/08 07:36 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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No it would not make sense you idiot.

Booo hooo hooo.... someone is getting rich and the communist demoncrats cant stand it.
All it takes is one money hungry taxman...
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#726793 --- 01/07/08 08:45 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Quote:


In response, tribal leaders called the decision paternalistic.




Originally Posted By: sausage

Booo hooo hooo.... someone is getting rich and the casino tribes cant stand it.
All it takes is one money hungry chief...



Quote:

The clear message is that Indians belong on reservations and should be content to receive handouts and commodity cheese from the federal government," said Chief Lorraine White.




Originally Posted By: sausage

Booo hooo hooo.... someone is getting rich and the casino tribes cant stand it.
All it takes is one money hungry chief...




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#726798 --- 01/07/08 08:49 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Why do you hate American Indians?





Why do you hate everyone else?



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#726857 --- 01/07/08 10:29 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Sorry I clicked on here, I thought yall were talking bout street gangs... Bro..!

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#728251 --- 01/09/08 11:23 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone


... The clear message is that Indians belong on reservations and should be content to receive handouts and commodity cheese from the federal government," said Chief Lorraine White.






The tribes are the ones that want to "isolate" themselves.


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#728418 --- 01/09/08 03:16 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
Why do you hate American Indians?





Why do you hate everyone else?



.


I dont! I believe that they should not have to pay any taxes what-so-ever.
so there.
Nyah!
Communist Red Coat...
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#729619 --- 01/11/08 09:21 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
I believe that they should not have to pay any taxes what-so-ever.



Are they not US citizens?

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#729625 --- 01/11/08 09:41 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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They are citizens of their own nation.
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#730708 --- 01/12/08 04:28 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
They are citizens of their own nation.


We should conclude that they supply a passport every time they leave the rez?
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#730784 --- 01/12/08 07:26 PM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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when will this madness end?
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#731627 --- 01/14/08 09:50 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians, but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

___________________________________





Would it make more sense for spitzer to collect the unpaid taxes of over $895 million per year on cigarettes or receive $20 million from a casino?
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