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#706232 --- 12/10/07 08:09 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: me here]
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I hear it was a dress code issue that caused the dismissal. Too much pink in the wardrobe

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#706424 --- 12/11/07 06:02 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Zartan]
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Originally Posted By: Zartan
Is that where all your problems stem from. Daddy issues? What a concept. You didn't get enough love at home so now you have to make sure you overcompensate and become way too overbearing for your own kids.


Maybe you didn't read my comment correctly? I grew up in a supportive and loving home. Are you Jealous?

A board meeting filled with people who support Randy Decker last night but not one community member who had the balls to show up and support the decision to dismiss him. We all had a chance to speak and there was not one bad word to be said about Mr. Decker. Plenty of bad things were said about Mr. Sissel. If you had something to say, you should have been at the meeting.
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#706430 --- 12/11/07 06:07 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Genie]
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I suspect that you are a teacher or other staff person at MW who has an axe to grind.
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#706435 --- 12/11/07 06:18 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Genie]
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I am glad that you enjoyed the opportunity to see esteemed members of your community vent your frustrations. Sadly, over the next few weeks you will slowly come to realize that this outpouring of emotion was truly a tempest in a teapot, much sound and fury amounting to nothing. At the end of the day, Decker will still be gone, your school will still have the same problems it had, and the possibility of productive discourse will have been further diminished. A good school requires collaboration between all of the stakeholders Parents, teachers, students and administrators. It looks to me like all sides are to deeply entrenched to move forward at all. I hope for the sake of your school that all involved can take a step back and try to find some common ground to begin the work of rebuilding your learning community. Best of luck.


Edited by EJD (12/11/07 08:21 AM)
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#706636 --- 12/11/07 09:24 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: EJD]
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Originally Posted By: EJD
I am glad that you enjoyed the opportunity to see esteemed members of your community vent your frustrations. Sadly, over the next few weeks you will slowly come to realize that this outpouring of emotion was truly a tempest in a teapot, much sound and fury amounting to nothing. At the end of the day, Decker will still be gone, your school will still have the same problems it had, and the possibility of productive discourse will have been further diminished. A good school requires collaboration between all of the stakeholders Parents, teachers, students and administrators. It looks to me like all sides are to deeply entrenched to move forward at all. I hope for the sake of your school that all involved can take a step back and try to find some common ground to begin the work of rebuilding your learning community. Best of luck.


Rebuilding the "learning community" starts with the removal of school officials who are incompetent and stagnant in their positions.
Let's not forget the taxpayers who must continue paying the wages of administrators we do not support, including those who do not even physically live in our district or our community.

If Decker does not come back, you are 100% correct, our school will still have the same problems, and yes, they will be worse. The reason for this? The current administrators. They have done a fine job of turning students, parents and teachers against them.
Do you really think we won't be watching the school administrators like hawks? Both the current ones or new ones who come into our district?
Don't think for even a second that we won't be watching Mr. Sissel if he is allowed to stay on. He may be sitting on his high horse right now thinking he can intimidate everyone, but let me assure you, we will keep him busy justifying every action and every word he speaks.
This coward of a principal couldn't even make eye contact with the people in the meeting last night. Every single board member listened to the speakers and made eye contact with them, while Sissel and Cook didn't even have the decency or professionalism to acknowledge the people who were speaking. They both sat there with their heads down, staring at paperwork or their laps. I'm almost convinced that Mr. Sissel was working on a crossword puzzle because he was so far removed from what was taking place in the room. Mr. Chirco was respectful enough to look us in the eyes as we spoke, thank you Mr. Chirco.

Regardless of the outcome, Mr. Sissel and Mr. Cook have displayed complete disregard for the students, parents and teachers of Marcus Whitman.


Edited by Genie (12/11/07 09:26 AM)
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#706698 --- 12/11/07 10:12 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Genie]
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I am now done with this conversation. Genie, you obviously are in an unenviable position. I strongly suspect that you have been unhappy with past administrations and will be unhappy will future administrations as well. It seems sort of like that guy who has had 20 different jobs because "all of his bosses were jerks" It is impossible to converse constructively with a person who is approaching a problem from an emotional rather than a logical standpoint.
Each stakeholder has a role in the educational process. It would do the parents well to remember that thier most important role is to raise respectful kids who engage in learning opportunities provided to them, and who have at least some ability to comply with social norms. Acting as a Johhny Cochran style defense Lawyer every time Billy and Susie are accused of doing something wrong, or undermining the authority of the social institutions that have built this nation are NOT useful roles for the parents.
Goodbye and good luck

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#706780 --- 12/11/07 11:22 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: EJD]
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Good ridden to the naysayer.

For the record...I LOVE my job and I have a great Boss! He is fair, intelligent, educated and honest! I have been promoted several times BECAUSE I am logical and I do not let my emotions control my work ethics.

My case against the administrators is based on facts, not emotions. It is precisely the defiance of social norms that the administrators are demonstrating. Is it a social norm to treat children with disrespect and intimidation? I though our society was fighting against this practice?
Is it social norm to deceive, abuse power and disregard the people who pay your wages? Oh wait...that was a silly question...never mind.

The children did not undermine ANY authority figure, let me make that clear! The authority undermined themselves, the feelings of the children and the opinions of the parents.

"Useful" roles of the parents...hmmm...what would that be?
Sit on our butts and let the incompetent administrators destroy what's left of our children's values? If we don't speak up and tell them that this behavior is wrong, we in turn are condoning it and sending the message that it is ok to grow up and behave this way.
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#706829 --- 12/11/07 12:02 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Genie]
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It is obvious that from the inception of this thread and its predecessor, there have been very few supporters of Randy Decker.

I would still like to know where these people were at the meeting last night if they are so sure that the right decision was made.

Come forward with proof that Randy Decker was rightfully dismissed and maybe I will listen to your viewpoints. Otherwise, you don't have a leg to stand on. At least we (myself and the other supporters of Mr. Decker), have been able to provide valid arguments against the administration, backing it up with evidence and credible character witnesses from the community, the state and local businesses.

At this point, I won't contribute to the thread anymore...go ahead and crack open your champagne bottles!! I just don't see the point of arguing when it clear that the majority of readers does not support the cause and has nothing valid to offer as a rebuttal.
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#707252 --- 12/11/07 06:45 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Genie]
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Originally Posted By: Genie
Come forward with proof that Randy Decker was rightfully dismissed and maybe I will listen to your viewpoints. Otherwise, you don't have a leg to stand on.



Come forward with proof that Randy Decker was wrongfully dismissed and maybe I will listen to your viewpoints. Otherwise, you don't have a leg to stand on.!!!
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#707313 --- 12/11/07 07:35 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Al Kida]
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Don't waste your time, AK; she's blind and deaf to any concept of justice. She wants a kangeroo court that'll rubber stamp her preconception of guilt. She thinks that character witness from the community actually has something to do with the facts of this case, of which she knows nothing; she's illogical, and angry to the point that she can't be reasoned with.

"we will keep him busy justifying every action and every word he speaks."

Then she'll complain that it's not a harmonious, efficient, smooth-running organization. She's a real peice of work!
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#707541 --- 12/11/07 10:31 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: VM Smith]
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I've been watching this thread and watched as first one went off topic and fell in disaster. I would like to share my point of view. I'm not siding with anyone any this thread because I understand that everyone has different opinions and has seen a different side of the story. Whether your someone who supports the corrupt officials in this administration, or you or someone close to you has been through hell trying to get through the last few days, everyone has the right to think what they wish. I'll simply say that I loved Mr. Randy Decker. He was my guild in life. As a member of "Decker's Kids" I will fight for this wonderful man no matter what the reason was he was fired. No one is exactly sure why he was dismissed on Friday, but no matter the reason, he didn't deserve being humiliated and he defiantly didn't deserve to be fired. The student including myself deserve the education he offered us. He is an intelligent man that was devoted to his job and his students 100%. My life has been a living nightmare. I don't care if anyone replies back saying that I'm a cry baby, my life, since very early in my life has been tragedy after tragedy. I remember the first time Mr. Decker asked me if everything was alright, I broke out crying. He was the one and only person that was there for me. Yes, I understood at the time that it was his legal duties to inform the school counselors, which he did do if he thought it was necessary. His life is his students and his passion is teaching. I've known the man since he came to the school and he's done nothing wrong to make them escort him out as hung his head in shame. Something went wrong that day, and it's not just the way he was dismissed, nor was just the way the students were handled afterward. It was the dismissal of a man that had nothing but a teacher of the year award, a love for his job, his students and his life behind him. Sure, there are no SOLID facts that support Mr. Decker's supporters persecutions of the administration wrongly dismissing him, but there are leads, there is common sense, and there is the past of our administrators. Whether your related to Mark Sissel, best friends with Oren Cook or just think everyone involved in this occurrence is overreacting, please don't judge and disregard what we're saying. Those of you that know Mark Sissel or Oren Cook have to understand that when the step inside that school and their butts are on the line, they are whole new people and do stupid things that make no sense that change the lives of the students which are under their supervision. Everyone who hasn't looked at both sides of the story do not understand. If you could see the look in the students eyes when they have to go into Mr.Decker's room everyday and find an old schmuck teaching in place of their favorite teacher and good friend, maybe you would see our pain. If you could put yourself in one of our shoes and imagine looking into his tear and pain filled eyes as he collected his belongings, then maybe you would understand. There are some people out there that are so bullheaded that they won't even attempt to see the other side of this story. Maybe those people don't like Mr.Decker because of certain reasons. I want to say that it matters and yes, one teacher can make a difference and has made a difference in many lives. Mr. Randy Decker doesn't deserve being put down. On the other hand, he does as well as all of this students deserve your support. Without his past motivation and guidance I wouldn't be interested in school or in life. Please just consider this man's life and feelings as well as the students who were thrown into this tragic event.

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#707568 --- 12/12/07 02:26 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: PerpetualPassion]
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If no one knows the reason he was fired, then how can you say he didn't deserve to be fired? You haven't learned logic.

"with anyone any this thread
Whether your someone
my guild in life.
defiantly didn't deserve
The student including myself deserve the education he offered us.
it was his legal duties to
not just the way he was dismissed, nor was just the way
Decker's supporters persecutions of the administration wrongly
Whether your related
when the step inside that school
Everyone....do not understand"

I left out a few things, because I don't want to hurt your tender self-esteem, which would undoubtedly scar you for life, but suffice it to say that you haven't learned English. Maybe if you spent less time worrying about management matters, which are none of your business, and spent more time studying, which is what you're there for, you might learn something.

"that they won't even attempt to see the other side of this story."

What IS the other side? You don't know what either side is, because you don't know the facts of his firing.

"and find an old schmuck teaching"


Main Entry:
schmuck Listen to the pronunciation of schmuck
Pronunciation:
\ˈshmək\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Yiddish shmok, literally, penis
Date:
1892

slang : jerk 4b


You haven't learned basic manners, either. In fact, I'd say you have the manners of a pig.

To sum up, you're not one whose opinion I'd value on any matter, including this one. You're an ignorant yokel.


yokel

Main Entry:
yo·kel Listen to the pronunciation of yokel
Pronunciation:
\ˈyō-kəl\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
perhaps from English dialect yokel green woodpecker, of imitative origin
Date:
circa 1812

: a naive or gullible inhabitant of a rural area or small town





Edited by VM Smith (12/12/07 02:32 AM)
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#707708 --- 12/12/07 07:21 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: VM Smith]
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"According to Decker's letter of termination, Cook will recommend to the board at its Jan. 14 meeting that Decker be terminated, effective immediately. In the meantime, Decker is still a paid employee despite having been relieved of his teaching duties.

According to education law, Decker can request a written statement giving reasons for his termination, provided he files that request by Dec. 24 - 21 days before the board meeting. Within seven days of filing the request, Decker must be provided with an explanation for his termination, and he has until Jan. 7, 2008 to submit to the district clerk his response."

Mr. Decker has the option to find out why legally why he has been dismissed and no amount of protesting by anyone will get the truth any other way. I find some of the accusations stupid from the students and parents as to why he was dismissed as the Super, the Principal and the BOE know Mr. Decker can sue if they unjustly fired him.
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#707718 --- 12/12/07 07:38 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: VM Smith]
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VM - Just curious. Are you an educator? I certainly hope not because your tone with "passion" is mean-spirited and not at all helpful. With the tapping of a few keys you kicked that youngster who was already down. Do you feel powerful after picking on the vocabulary of a teen who simply wants to pour out some feelings?
Why can't you, at least one time during this season (hey - go for the whole year!) offer some insight that might be a bit more gentle and helpful to someone like this.
Just because we can hide in anonymity on these forums doesn't mean we need to be rude and mean. Telling a youngster they have the manners of a pig simply because he/she doesn't follow some language rules is a ploy to inflate your own poisoned ego, I suspect.
The few teachers I recall as being helpful in my formative years would never talk to someone they are trying to teach in the tone you used so casually.
Have a great day VM. You'll need it.

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#707733 --- 12/12/07 08:11 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: VM Smith]
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I know, I know...I wasn't going to post again...put the cork back on your Champagne bottles or your mouths for a few minutes...

I am not going to discuss Decker anymore but I can't sit here and watch a grown person demoralize a child. I happen to care about children, if that offends you, too bad!

VM Smith, don't you have anything better to do at 3:30 in the morning than look up definitions and criticize children? Wait, that's a silly question...your comment already answered for you!

From time to time I was impressed with your comments and I even respected some of the things you had to say. I'd even go as far as to say I valued your opinion on a few RARE occasions since you've joined the forum, and I have been reading this forum since 2000, in case you hadn't noticed. You have just destroyed any chance of convincing me that your opinions matter, but I'm sure it's not your goal to impress anyone. It's no concern of yours if one reader is disgusted by your tenacity for demoralizing and ridiculing adults and children alike.

Since I am an adult and could care less if you pick apart my manners or call me a pig...

let me say that you are a real DORK!

dork
–noun Slang.
1. a stupid or ridiculous person; jerk; nerd.
2. Vulgar. penis.

Hey look everyone...I know how to look up definitions on the internet too!

Since "Passion" was a student of Mr. Decker, I know you can't rattle him/her with your pathetic attempts to degrade him/her. Good thing Decker taught his kids how to let negativity roll off of them and hold their heads high!

Thank you to MLynch23 for agreeing with me on this particular comment.
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#707945 --- 12/12/07 10:40 AM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Genie]
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Not a problem. I don't know much about Internet forums, but it seems to me it's like a community where bullies need to be kept in check.
Glad to do my part.

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#708123 --- 12/12/07 12:34 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: ]
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I also said I was done here but i find myself agreeing with GENIE re: VM SMITH. It really wasn't necessary to insult the student who posted, If we crush their interest in becoming politically active as kids, then we can never complain about voter apathy later in life.
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#708125 --- 12/12/07 12:35 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Sallie]
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Originally Posted By: Sallie
"According to Decker's letter of termination, Cook will recommend to the board at its Jan. 14 meeting that Decker be terminated, effective immediately. In the meantime, Decker is still a paid employee despite having been relieved of his teaching duties.

According to education law, Decker can request a written statement giving reasons for his termination, provided he files that request by Dec. 24 - 21 days before the board meeting. Within seven days of filing the request, Decker must be provided with an explanation for his termination, and he has until Jan. 7, 2008 to submit to the district clerk his response."

Mr. Decker has the option to find out why legally why he has been dismissed and no amount of protesting by anyone will get the truth any other way. I find some of the accusations stupid from the students and parents as to why he was dismissed as the Super, the Principal and the BOE know Mr. Decker can sue if they unjustly fired him.


I dont think any of this applies to non-tenured personnel, they can let you go for no reason at all until you get tenure as far as I know.
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#708142 --- 12/12/07 12:52 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: EJD]
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EJD, the quoted portion of Sallie's comment was taken from the newspaper.

The last paragraph was Sallie's own statement/opinion.

Tenured or not tenured, I am unsure of the laws. I'm sure Mr. Decker is looking into his rights and options.

And thank you for adding to the opinion that VM was out of line.
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#708169 --- 12/12/07 01:45 PM Re: Whitman Teacher Dismissed #2 [Re: Genie]
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Aside from this specific case, here's an interesting concept.
A few years ago I was in a discussion about a case between an administrator and a school district and learned the legal expert who earns a healthy living by representing ousted public school administrators said he was thinking about getting a group of his community neighbors together to establish a fund to HIRE their own private teacher to HOME SCHOOL all their children. What does that say about how the systems work?
And oh, the administrator in that case won. So, if Mr. Decker does not have tenure, but the administrators do, you can see what kind of issues the school board is looking at.

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