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#681412 --- 11/07/07 07:11 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Answer the question!
Should we force the elimination of American Indian Reservations because they did not pay their fair share of taxes to New York State Almighty?

Chicken.


And which post did I suggest this?

If a non-tribal individual did not pay their taxes then what would happen to them?


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#681502 --- 11/07/07 09:38 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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No.
I asked you the question, you evaded it.
You cannot answer a question with a question.

Answer the previous question.

Should the State of New York force the elimination of American Indian Reservations in this state?
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#681977 --- 11/07/07 05:38 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
...Should the State of New York force the elimination of "American" Indian Reservations in this state?




And where are the "american" reservations in NY?


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#681980 --- 11/07/07 05:39 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
No.
I asked you the question, you evaded it.
You cannot answer a question with a question.

Answer the previous question.

Should the State of New York force the elimination of American Indian Reservations in this state?



If a non-tribal individual did not pay their taxes then what would happen to them?

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Did you answer my question?


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#682534 --- 11/08/07 12:11 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
No.
I asked you the question, you evaded it.
You cannot answer a question with a question.

Answer the previous question.

Should the State of New York force the elimination of American Indian Reservations in this state?



If a non-tribal individual did not pay their taxes then what would happen to them?

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Did you answer my question?


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Wrong cabbage breathe.

Read this again. Your superego has put you in the garbage heap with the rest of your racism.

You are just afraid to say what is in your heart arent you? Scardy cat... little baby.

BUT I will answer your question to satisfy your huge gargantuan ego.
If someone that is a United States citizen and not a citizen of another soverign country or state, then they do not have to pay United States or any other state that is a state within the physical borders or political jurisdiction of the United States of America, then they do not have to pay taxes within the jurisdiction of said particular sovereign nation that they are physically located in at that particular time.

This IS particulary true of European nations. In essecence, I do not have to pay New York taxes when I purchase something while vacationing in England or say Lichtenstein ....

Now then. Answer the question as stated previously:


Should the State of New York force the elimination of American Indian Reservations in this state?
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#682586 --- 11/08/07 01:32 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage



If a non-tribal individual did not pay their taxes then what would happen to them?

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Did you answer my question?


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Originally Posted By: Sausage



Wrong cabbage breathe.

Read this again. Your superego has put you in the garbage heap with the rest of your racism.

You are just afraid to say what is in your heart arent you? Scardy cat... little baby.

BUT I will answer your question to satisfy your huge gargantuan ego.
If someone that is a United States citizen and not a citizen of another soverign country or state, then they do not have to pay United States or any other state that is a state within the physical borders or political jurisdiction of the United States of America, then they do not have to pay taxes within the jurisdiction of said particular sovereign nation that they are physically located in at that particular time.

This IS particulary true of European nations. In essecence, I do not have to pay New York taxes when I purchase something while vacationing in England or say Lichtenstein ....

Now then. Answer the question as stated previously:


Should the State of New York force the elimination of American Indian Reservations in this state?


Where is the post that I said I wanted the rez removed?

Who even said anything about england?

If a NY state citizen did not pay his taxes then what should happen?
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#687663 --- 11/14/07 09:45 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians, but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

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#687671 --- 11/14/07 09:58 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage



If a non-tribal individual did not pay their taxes then what would happen to them?

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Did you answer my question?


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Originally Posted By: Sausage



Wrong cabbage breathe.

Read this again. Your superego has put you in the garbage heap with the rest of your racism.

You are just afraid to say what is in your heart arent you? Scardy cat... little baby.

BUT I will answer your question to satisfy your huge gargantuan ego.
If someone that is a United States citizen and not a citizen of another soverign country or state, then they do not have to pay United States or any other state that is a state within the physical borders or political jurisdiction of the United States of America, then they do not have to pay taxes within the jurisdiction of said particular sovereign nation that they are physically located in at that particular time.

This IS particulary true of European nations. In essecence, I do not have to pay New York taxes when I purchase something while vacationing in England or say Lichtenstein ....

Now then. Answer the question as stated previously:


Should the State of New York force the elimination of American Indian Reservations in this state?


Where is the post that I said I wanted the rez removed?

Who even said anything about england?

If a NY state citizen did not pay his taxes then what should happen?


Try to keep up... you cant be this dense.
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#692002 --- 11/19/07 06:52 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage

This IS particulary true of European nations. In essecence, I do not have to pay New York taxes when I purchase something while vacationing in England or say Lichtenstein ....


So if you purchase gasoline in Europe then you will not have to pay the high gas tax?
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#692187 --- 11/19/07 01:20 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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You have got to be kidding. I really dont believe you just typed that out.... Talk about bait.
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#692757 --- 11/20/07 07:58 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
bluezone Offline
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Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 32557
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians, but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

___________________________________






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#696675 --- 11/26/07 03:07 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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every day more money is lost.
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#696802 --- 11/26/07 05:48 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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BZ

I Just caught this thread.

I see laughing willow refused to answer your question about "What specific aspect of the treaty that was with your tribe was not honor?" Then lw generalized claiming the vast majority of treaties with the US weren't honored. Strange, I didn't see any answer pertaining to New York tribes. In fact, there was no answer.

As to what happened to the tribes of 200 years ago would have happened anyway. They can be glad England won out over France or they'd be speaking German today if they even existed.

Glad to see you evaded the sausage grinder from the pityme tribe looking to play the race card, which he did anyway after making up an answer. Race cards are usually played by people who have no valid complaints.

I also see sausage evaded your question "And where are the "american" reservations in NY?"

The sausage take on the tax issue with an example shows a viewpoint of reservations being equivalent to a foreign country. To that, the US Supreme Court has ruled is bunk and the taxes can legally be collected from non-Indians and tribal members if not of the tribe they are doing business with.

I see Eliott backed down on his push to give to illegal immigrants drivers licenses. Con jobs like this are why he was voted by his peers as the third worst attorney general in the country. Must be not enough people are complaining about his refusal to enforce the tax laws.

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#697854 --- 11/28/07 08:34 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
BZ

I Just caught this thread.

I see laughing willow refused to answer your question about "What specific aspect of the treaty that was with your tribe was not honor?" Then lw generalized claiming the vast majority of treaties with the US weren't honored. Strange, I didn't see any answer pertaining to New York tribes. In fact, there was no answer.



I agree. She wants to make a claim but does not back it up.

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot


As to what happened to the tribes of 200 years ago would have happened anyway. They can be glad England won out over France or they'd be speaking German today if they even existed.



They fail to realize how good they have it.


Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot


Glad to see you evaded the sausage grinder from the pityme tribe looking to play the race card, which he did anyway after making up an answer. Race cards are usually played by people who have no valid complaints.




So true.


Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot


I also see sausage evaded your question "And where are the "american" reservations in NY?"

The sausage take on the tax issue with an example shows a viewpoint of reservations being equivalent to a foreign country. To that, the US Supreme Court has ruled is bunk and the taxes can legally be collected from non-Indians and tribal members if not of the tribe they are doing business with.



Time for NY to collect overdue taxes!


Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot


I see Eliott backed down on his push to give to illegal immigrants drivers licenses. Con jobs like this are why he was voted by his peers as the third worst attorney general in the country. Must be not enough people are complaining about his refusal to enforce the tax laws.


He spoke out against Pataki for not collecting the taxes from the tribes but now he looks the other way. Lets hope he is putting a solid plan together or he will not last long in that position.


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#701740 --- 12/04/07 02:24 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Mr. Spitzer do you need more money to balance the budget?

Start collecting the taxes from the tribes.
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#706175 --- 12/10/07 06:23 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Foxwoods objections don’t deter dealers

Dec 09, 2007 @ 04:37 AM

By ERICA JACOBSON
Norwich Bulletin

Dealers at Foxwoods Resort Casino say they are going ahead with union preparations after the Nov. 24 vote regardless of objections management has filed with the National Labor Relations Board.

"When I got started, I said to myself, 'I will see this to the end. I will not waiver from this.' ...We deserve it and we need it," 15-year dealer Bill Shea of Westerly said.

Foxwoods, the United Auto Workers and the board have until the end of Monday to submit evidence regarding the dozen objections the casino filed a week ago with the board's Hartford offices.

The complaints were levied at both the union and the UAW and include concerns about election ballots being solely in English instead of the several languages spoken by employees. Foxwoods also alleged the union intimidated workers during the lead up to as well as on the day of the election itself.

Michael Thomas, Mashantucket Pequot tribal chairman, has said Foxwoods will contest the vote through to federal courts if needed, based on the argument the federal board had no jurisdiction over the sovereign nation's employment issues.

What's in contract

Mary Johnson, another longtime dealer at the casino, said dealers such as herself who were active in the pre-election union drive now are talking to as many fellow dealers as possible regardless of how they voted or how long they've worked for the casino.

"I want everybody's input," she said. "It's important for people to start thinking about what they want to see in a contract."

Since the vote totals were announced early Nov. 25, Shea has said he'd like to see the healing process begin at the casino. He said continued protests from Foxwoods are a delay, not a deal breaker, to restoring Foxwoods to the company he remembers so fondly.

"That's our goal as employees, to return Foxwoods back to the old glory days," Shea said. "If we didn't care, we wouldn't be here."

Reach Erica Jacobson at 425-4241 or ejacobson@norwichbulletin.com
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#715345 --- 12/22/07 11:18 AM Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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Stop service for unpaid taxes.
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#715947 --- 12/23/07 11:44 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Mr. Spitzer do you need more money to balance the budget?

Start collecting the taxes from the tribes.




And ALL churches!










The pope's rich enough.
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#716523 --- 12/24/07 11:22 AM Re: Tribes owe $895 Million to NY [Re: bluezone]
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Why do you hate American Indians?
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#716622 --- 12/24/07 01:29 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Mr. Spitzer do you need more money to balance the budget?

Start collecting the taxes from the tribes.




And ALL churches!



The pope's rich enough.


Have yet to see an illegal casino run by the church making hundreds of millions of dollars per year?

Have yet to see the church selling illegal cigs and making hundreds of millions of dollars per year?

Have yet to see the church selling illegal gas and making millions of dollars per year?


(merry christmas)



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