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#68760 --- 11/12/04 03:28 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
Rascal Offline
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Wasn't Israel "created" in 1948?
Aren't the Palestinians fighting to regain their homeland?
Wasn't Israel guilty of terrorism when it took Palestinian land by force?
Why should US support automatically make the Israelis "right" and the Palestinians "wrong"?




Here's a pretty good recount of history...

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

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#68761 --- 11/12/04 03:30 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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Terrorists turn '72 Munich Olympics into bloodbath

Eleven Israeli athletes are killed during daylong siege. Airport shootout also leaves 5 captors, 1 policeman dead.
By BRUCE LOWITT

© St. Petersburg Times, published December 29, 1999


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Time was, wars were suspended during the Olympics and armies prohibited from attacking the ancient Games. Truces permitted worshippers and athletes to travel safely.

Times change.

Modern Olympics have been suspended for two world wars.

At 4:30 a.m. Sept. 5, 1972, war, politics and religion invaded the Munich Olympics.

Terrorists claiming to be from Black September, a Palestinian guerrilla group, stole into the Olympic Village dressed as athletes and carrying their weapons in gym bags. They killed two Israelis and took nine hostage.

The terrorists demanded the release of 200 Arab guerrillas jailed in Israel and safe passage for themselves and the hostages. By 11 p.m. the hostages, five of their captors and one West German police officer were dead, the outcome of a failed rescue attempt. Three Arabs were captured.

During the siege, with two Israelis already dead, Avery Brundage, president of the International Olympic Committee, ordered that the Games continue.

"Walled off in their dream world," New York Times columnist Red Smith wrote, "appallingly unaware of the realities of life and death, the aging playground directors who conduct this quadrennial muscle dance ruled that a little blood must not be permitted to interrupt play."

The following day, competition was suspended. The 11 surviving Israeli Olympians, wearing white yarmulkes and maroon blazers, sat among 3,000 athletes, surrounded by 80,000 spectators, honoring and mourning their murdered teammates in a memorial service at the enormous Olympic Stadium.

Five hours later, Brundage decreed that the Games resume, another controversial decision criticized by Israel and other nations, though some Israelis said canceling the Games would have been giving in to blackmail. Also controversial: a pre-Olympic decision by Israel to deal with its security concerns without special treatment from West Germany.

From various accounts, this is what took place that Tuesday in September:

The assault on 31 Connolly St., one of the buildings at the Olympic Village, began at about 5 a.m. with a knock on the door of 33-year-old wrestling coach Moshe Weinberg. He opened it a crack, saw the attackers, put his shoulder to the door and shouted, "Boys, get out!" Weightlifting coach Tuvia Sokolsky said that as he fled, he saw Weinberg hit by a hail of bullets through the door.

Weinberg was ordered to lead the terrorists to other Israeli rooms. He pointed to one with wrestlers and weightlifters, hoping they could overpower the attackers. Then he collapsed and died.

Joseph Romano, 32, a weightlifter, was next to die, also by automatic rifle fire. By now, other Israelis were being warned of the attack. Six escaped through a rear door. Three hundred armed police officers sealed off the area. Brundage and other Olympic officials convened. The siege began.

At 9:35 a.m. the terrorists issued their demands. Negotiations with Munich police chief Manfred Schreiber, in charge of Olympic security, commenced. The Arabs set a noon deadline. They said two Israelis would be shot if the demands were not met.

The deadline was set back to 1 p.m., then 3, then 5, then the Arabs canceled it. Negotiations dragged on. The terrorists rejected an offer of unlimited ransom. They rejected an offer by Schreiber that he and two high-ranking officials take the hostages' place. In Israel, Premier Golda Meir said her government stood by its policy of not dealing with terrorists.

Schreiber said he believed the building could not be successfully stormed, that the terrorists were desperate and would not relent no matter how many lives were lost. He and his colleagues spent the afternoon devising plans to get the Arabs and Israelis out. At dusk, the terrorists said they would consider leaving with the hostages.

Negotiators began trying to persuade the terrorists they could leave West Germany safely. But they were working under Brundage's instructions not to let the Arabs leave with the hostages.

A helicopter pad was hastily built nearby. The Tunisian ambassador obtained permission from his government to let a plane carrying the hostages and terrorists land at a Tunisian airfield.

At 8 p.m. a bus pulled up to 31 Connolly St. The Arab leader demanded a different green army bus "so there was no chance to do anything," Schreiber said later. "They were too clever."

At 8:50 p.m. the first of three helicopters landed at the Olympic Village. Meanwhile, a Lufthansa 737 was flown to the military air base at Furstenfeldbruck, 15 miles west of the village.

At 9 p.m. West German Chancellor Willy Brandt phoned President Anwar el-Sadat of Egypt. Premier Aziz Sidky reportedly took the call and, when asked for help, told Brandt, "We do not want to get involved in this" and hung up.

A minute or two after 10 p.m., the terrorists and hostages emerged from the building, the Israelis bound, blindfolded and tied close together. "This made it impossible to try anything with sharpshooters inside the village," Schreiber recalled. Weightlifters David Berger, 26, and Zeev Friedman, 28; weightlifting instructor Yacob Springer, 51; wrestlers Eliezer Halfin, 28, and Mark Slavin, 18; wrestling referee Yosef Gutfreund, 41; fencing coach Andre Spitzer, 45; athletics coach Amitzur Shapira, 32, and marksmanship coach Kehat Schorr, 53, were herded into the bus. Schreiber and two officials rode with them to the helicopters. The West Germans boarded one, the terrorists and hostages the others. They landed at Furstenfeldbruck at 10:30 p.m.

The pilots had been told the West Germans would try to rescue the Israelis because allowing the Arabs to leave with them "would have been a certain death sentence for the hostages," Bruno Merk, interior minister of Bavaria, said. What happened was not what the pilots expected. The Arabs told them to stand in front of their aircraft, breaking a promise that West Germans would not be involved as hostages. Two Arabs and one or more Israelis walked the 170 yards to the plane for an inspection. They were walking back when one or more sharpshooters hidden in the darkness fired. In the ensuing firefight, the Arabs on the ground killed the Israelis with them. Other terrorists leaped from the helicopters. Several unleashed automatic fire into one, killing the Israelis inside. One of the terrorists tossed a hand grenade into the other helicopter, killing its occupants.

Five days later, in the rain, a subdued closing ceremony was held that included a silent meditation and fewer athletes than usual. The flags of the competing nations were paraded around the stadium. Israel's was not among them.


-- Information from the New York Times was used in this report.

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#68762 --- 11/12/04 03:36 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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Quote:

Quote:

Wasn't Israel "created" in 1948?
Aren't the Palestinians fighting to regain their homeland?
Wasn't Israel guilty of terrorism when it took Palestinian land by force?
Why should US support automatically make the Israelis "right" and the Palestinians "wrong"?




Here's a pretty good recount of history...

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html




That looks more like opinion that historic fact.

Try reading some of what this site has to say.

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#68763 --- 11/12/04 03:37 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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From Palestinefacts.org

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At a ceremony in Oslo, Norway on December 10, 1994 Yasser Arafat, master terrorist, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The prize was awarded jointly to Arafat, Israel's Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres "for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East." The three were granted the prestigious prize, prematurely as it turned out, for their roles in the historic Oslo Accords signed the previous year and their committment to the Peace Process envisioned by the Accords. After generations of warfare and terrorism, it seemed peace was at hand.


The decision to award Arafat the coveted Nobel Prize was based on the belief that he had renounced acts of terror and had become a sincere participant in a true peace process. The Oslo Accords and successor agreements in the Peace Process bound Arafat and his people to recognize Israel's right to exist, to guarantee Israel's safety and security within defensible borders, and to work by a peaceful series of negotiations toward resolution of remaining problems. Nonetheless, Nobel committee member Kaare Kristiansen quit rather than be party to a prize that included Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

But this was all a fiction. Even in 1993 and 1994, with the ink fresh on the peace agreement papers, there was a high rate of terrorism against Israel; seventy-three Israeli soldiers and civilians were killed and more than 100 wounded in 1994, up slightly from 1993. In a preview of the pattern that still persists today, Israeli officials urged the Palestinian Authority to take tougher measures against terrorists and the PA claimed to be doing so even while the terrorism went on and on.

During the 1990's it became abundantly clear that Yasser Arafat was less than fully committed to the peace process, which ultimately failed at Camp David and resulted in the bloodshed of the al-Aqsa intifada starting in September 2000. Groups have come forward demanding that the Peace Prize be revoked, based on Arafat's bad faith, but revocation is unlikely.





I guess even more unlikely now.

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#68764 --- 11/13/04 04:24 AM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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SJ?

Life does go on. It is happening today, all around us. I'm still trying to find where I said "oh well". When you find it in my post please show me.

My argument is that Arafat is a terrorist from a group that has inflicted violence on many people. I point out that a Palistinian killed an American Presidential Candidate and you start talking to me like I am for "sticking our thumbs up our butts". Your point is what?

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#68765 --- 11/13/04 04:31 AM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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I apologize if I read your post in the wrong way. Sincerely.

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#68766 --- 11/13/04 04:36 AM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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I guess I thought you were twisting something with 9/11...my bad top dog and I am sorry. Arafat was a terrorist...period!

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#68767 --- 11/13/04 04:56 AM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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#68768 --- 11/13/04 09:58 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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It's cool SJ - Thank you for the kind response.

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#68769 --- 11/14/04 05:10 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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The uprising begins. Militants bgan shooting in a tent set up for mourners near Arafat's burial site. Apparently upset by the "moderate" replacement of Arafat. A Palestinian oplice officer was fataly wounded. The successor of Arafat was unharmed and was removed safely from the tent.

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#68770 --- 11/14/04 05:54 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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How deep are they gonna bury this bastard?
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#68771 --- 12/08/04 08:24 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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Our tax dollars at work.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6678187/

U.S. gives $20 million to Palestinian Authority

Money will be used to boost economy ahead of Jan. 9 elections

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 11:33 a.m. ET Dec. 8, 2004

OSLO, Norway - The U.S. government has pledged $20 million to help boost the Palestinian economy, attendees at a donors conference in the Norwegian capital said Wednesday.

Palestinian Labor Minister Ghassan Khatib said the money was earmarked for the Palestinian Authority's budget support.

"Now there seems to be wide recognition at this conference of the urgent needs of the Palestinian Authority for immediate financial support," Khatib said......
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#68772 --- 08/29/06 10:14 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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no surprise, they'll hold true to the patter he taught them.
Calling him a rodent is a insult to rodents!
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#68773 --- 08/30/06 10:39 PM Re: Yasser Arafat dies at age 75
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...has anyone else ever noticed his amazing resemblance to the older Ringo Starr? Just an observation.

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