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#650587 --- 09/28/07 04:53 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: LaughinWillow]
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Originally Posted By: LaughinWillow
Why should tribes honor agreements with you, when their agreements weren't honored?



Would you agree that the indians have been given far more than any treaty would have entitled them to?
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#652463 --- 10/02/07 06:00 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Take that as a "yes".
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#653694 --- 10/04/07 11:37 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Would that be because most treaties were negotiated back before technology exsisted, or land values were a lot less than today, or would that be because since the Pultneys sold the property illegally anyway...
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#654322 --- 10/05/07 11:56 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians, but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

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#656375 --- 10/09/07 03:48 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Day one?
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#657730 --- 10/11/07 05:54 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Drug Bust Biggest in Wayne County (sound)

15 people have been arrested in what's being called the biggest drug bust in Wayne County history. Suspects from Wayne, Ontario and Monroe Counties are among those rounded up today in the culmination of an investigation that began in February. Newark Police Chief Richard Bogan tells R News the cops took down a major organization.

Ontario County Sheriff Phil Povero says the arrests will definitely make Ontario County residents safer.

Authorities say the drug ring was smuggling pot through the --Mohawk Indian reservation-- in northern New York, along the Canadian border. 400 thousand dollars and 130 pounds of pot were seized.
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#666569 --- 10/23/07 10:53 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Spitzer - lost at the wheel?
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#666610 --- 10/23/07 11:43 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Question: Would you like to see Indian reservations eliminated?
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#670690 --- 10/27/07 07:16 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Question: Would you like to see Indian reservations eliminated?



And then what?
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#671211 --- 10/27/07 07:52 PM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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#671399 --- 10/29/07 09:16 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
Question: Would you like to see Indian reservations eliminated?



And then what?


That was not a yes or no.
You have to type on your keyboard, that black thing in front of you with the alphabet on it.... Y E S or N O.
k?
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#672495 --- 10/30/07 08:36 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Originally Posted By: Sausage
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
Question: Would you like to see Indian reservations eliminated?



And then what?


That was not a yes or no.
You have to type on your keyboard, that black thing in front of you with the alphabet on it.... Y E S or N O.
k?


the sales taxes should be collected.


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#674837 --- 11/01/07 08:18 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Not a wise decision for Spitzer.
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#674942 --- 11/01/07 11:34 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Sausage
Question: Would you like to see Indian reservations eliminated?



And then what?


That was a yes or no.
You have to type on your keyboard, that black thing in front of you with the alphabet on it.... Y E S or N O.
k?


the sales taxes should be collected.


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That was not the question.... It was an evasive answer you gave.
Just like a demoncrat to answer with an evasive answer...
Let me re-state the question in another color to see if that helps...

Question: Would you like to see Indian reservations eliminated?
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#676027 --- 11/02/07 03:38 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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See first post of the thread.

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#676029 --- 11/02/07 03:39 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Sausage]
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Should the tribes disobey the law?
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#676226 --- 11/02/07 08:58 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
See first post of the thread.

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Chicken.
Evasive... Clintonite...
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#677663 --- 11/04/07 01:48 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: LaughinWillow]
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Originally Posted By: LaughinWillow
Don't you people ever think it's, well, IRONIC to complain about what you're "owed" by native peoples? I mean, really - isn't it the height of arrogance to demand that people who were driven to the edge of absolute extinction, stripped of their lands and culture, and cheated out of what they were promised in almost every single treaty your country signed with them pay you anything EVER??? Are you going to honor their original treaties? No? Then maybe you should quit your whining. God.


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#680359 --- 11/06/07 08:12 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Smitty]
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And how much has been given?
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#680398 --- 11/06/07 09:08 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Answer the question!
Should we force the elimination of American Indian Reservations because they did not pay their fair share of taxes to New York State Almighty?

Chicken.
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