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#621312 --- 08/17/07 10:07 AM Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud
pud Offline
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Registered: 08/17/07
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To get votes in our area, he vowed he would collect the sales tax from the indians. Now, 8 months into his term, he has done nothing and his spokesman has been making statements that are clearly moving away from his campaign promise. You can tell right now that he is not going to enforce the law, or keep his word. Screw Spitzer. He is no better than the rest of them....another dishonest politician. I had truly hoped he would be different. He is not.

He is doing the same thing Pataki ( who is another liar, coward and fraud) did - allowing certain privleged people to operate above the law.

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#621392 --- 08/17/07 11:27 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: pud]
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New account....

Anti Indian? Pro Taxes?
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#621415 --- 08/17/07 12:17 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Sausage]
Night prowler Offline
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Registered: 10/31/06
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Loc: ny
Spitzer Lie? you didn't actually believe him did you? Tell me how he is different then H. Clinton and C. Schumer? People were screaming CHANGE, CHANGE. We'll guess what, all those who wanted change went and voted for the same idiots. JMO

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#621442 --- 08/17/07 01:31 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Night prowler]
racefan73 Offline
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Registered: 03/15/07
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Loc: seneca-cayuga
I KNEW electing Spitzer was going to be a mistake! Like all these people who want Clinton for our next president. Elect her and see what you get. She is for self and no one else. She is a fake and a phony. Spitxzer and Schumer are in the same bed as her. I didn't vote for Spitzer and I won't be voting for Hillary either.

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#621513 --- 08/17/07 03:45 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: racefan73]
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Registered: 10/20/05
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Wow all this negativity about Hillary Clinton. Does a strong woman frighten you?

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#621535 --- 08/17/07 04:06 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Geneva_grl]
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Hillary is not a strong woman, she is a self centered woman.

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#621549 --- 08/17/07 04:35 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Laker]
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Her whole purpose of being a Senator from NY, or any state for that matter, was so she could eventually run for POTUS. Everyone knew she was going to run for Pres. and yet they still voted her in as Senator. What is she actually doing for NY, when she's spending all her time campaining for President.
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#621587 --- 08/17/07 05:20 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Ranger]
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"Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud"

These are qualities most professional lifetime politicians have. Bunch of jackasses that really believe they are doing us a favor!!!!
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#621650 --- 08/17/07 07:46 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: justaxme]
Night prowler Offline
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I agree, Clinton is a strong woman. I just wish she would keep her mouth closed so the rest of us would not have to smell the crap she spews.

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#621811 --- 08/18/07 05:47 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: justaxme]
Ranger Offline
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Originally Posted By: justaxme
"Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud"

These are qualities most professional lifetime politicians have. Bunch of jackasses that really believe they are doing us a favor!!!!



you forgot to add RICH to those qualities, now ;\)
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#621864 --- 08/18/07 07:47 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Ranger]
racefan73 Offline
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Geneva_grl, you are all wrong! Hillary is NOT a strong woman. Like Laker said, she is self centered. Ranger's response is also 100% correct. Hillary could care less about NYS. Her move hear was purely political. More credibility coming from NY than from Arkansas. I know of a few people who think she needs to resign from her Senate job because she is more focused on her campaign. Personally, I believe anyone running should step away from their existing job as they aren't able to devote full attention to the job.

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#621920 --- 08/18/07 09:35 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: racefan73]
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It was obvious she was running for President when she ran for senate. Hillary is very pro-tribal and she, along with Chuck, voted two months ago to continue the exclusion of tribes from the campaign finance laws.

We can't even blame the city on her getting elected - she won Cayuga & Seneca Counties and may likely win them again.

Being Democrat or Republican makes little difference when so many people vote based on name recognition.

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#621946 --- 08/18/07 11:21 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: racefan73]
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Originally Posted By: racefan73
Personally, I believe anyone running should step away from their existing job as they aren't able to devote full attention to the job.

Does that include the president when he runs for re-election? Senators and congressmen? You're an advocate of office holders serving without successive terms? You act as if people can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
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#622053 --- 08/18/07 04:56 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Josephus]
paramedic268 Offline
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So if Spitzer, Schumer, and Clinton are all bad, who do we vote for? There is not one 'honest' canidate out there. I am not pro or con any of these people, I am just curious, who do we vote for?

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#622179 --- 08/18/07 07:28 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: racefan73]
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Originally Posted By: racefan73
I KNEW electing Spitzer was going to be a mistake! Like all these people who want Clinton for our next president. Elect her and see what you get. She is for self and no one else. She is a fake and a phony. Spitxzer and Schumer are in the same bed as her. I didn't vote for Spitzer and I won't be voting for Hillary either.


Ditto

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#622389 --- 08/19/07 06:31 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: turkishdelight]
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Maybe if Spitzer didn't spend so much time investigating Bruno, he'd have had more time to make the indians pay taxes. Maybe his warchest wouldn't be as big, but he would have gave the appearance of doing something for the State of NY, and not just the Democrats.
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#622529 --- 08/19/07 09:14 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Ranger]
racefan73 Offline
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He is our crime fighting governor after all. However, he doesn't seem to think what the indians are doing is wrong. If you or I didn't pay our taxes, see how fast we would be in trouble! Just another worthless POS holding public office. I'm still waiting on 'DAY ONE', still haven't seen it arrive yet.

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#622914 --- 08/19/07 09:17 PM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: racefan73]
Night prowler Offline
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Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: paramedic268
So if Spitzer, Schumer, and Clinton are all bad, who do we vote for? There is not one 'honest' canidate out there. I am not pro or con any of these people, I am just curious, who do we vote for?

There are no 100% honest politicians, I like to see what claims they make, then do research as to what they say, and how they actually voted on issues, and why if it contradicts what they are saying. Sometimes they have good reasons to vote against What they are saying. Bottom line, I am against welfare for people that can work, against social health care as it ruins the quality of care. Dang it people, this is AMERICA. A lot of great people died for what we have defending our way of life. We can't just let the politicians come in and let the world dictate how we are going to do things. I would have liked to see john Faso have a chance at being GOV. It is sad, Spitzer is in and people will vote for him next time too. They have done the same with Schumer, and then complain because it just keeps getting worse in NY. People need to educate them selfs more before they go out and vote instead of the name( Oh, I heard of him. I never heard anything about him or her before, so I'll just vote for a name I heard) Attitude we can complain about the politicians all we want, but we are the ones that vote. JMO

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#623020 --- 08/20/07 07:30 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: Night prowler]
racefan73 Offline
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Registered: 03/15/07
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Loc: seneca-cayuga
It's the same thing with Hillary Clinton. When she ran for Senate the first time and got elected, anyone I talked to said they didn't vote for her. The others that did, said they didn't know anything about the other candidate either.

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#623054 --- 08/20/07 08:19 AM Re: Gov Spitzer... Coward, liar, fraud [Re: racefan73]
grinch Offline
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Here is another voice calling on Gov Spitzer to collect sales taxes.

This is a printer friendly version of an article from the Observer-Dispatch


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Posted: August 20. 2007 12:00AM


Editorial: Spitzer must be firm on Indian taxes

Law is the law, and continued delays will only hurt region's businesses


Asked by the O-D Editorial Board last week about progress on collecting taxes on sales to non-Indians at Indian businesses, Gov. Eliot Spitzer came up with an unusual description.



He spoke a bit about the dynamics surrounding the proposed change, and said that state officials and Indian nations have held some "marginally useful" conversations on the topic. And, as Forrest Gump would put it, that was all he had to say about that.



The self-proclaimed steamroller had clearly put himself in idle on the Indian sales tax issue.



That's unfortunate. Continued delays hurt businesses that compete with Native American stores that traditionally do quite a business in selling cigarettes and gasoline.



Continued delays hurt the Indian businesses themselves, which are operating under artificially conducive circumstances that at some point have to end.



And continued delays hurt the very rule of law that is so central to our democracy. If government does not enforce the law in one instance, then why should it be expected to enforce it in another? That's a slippery slope down which society should never slide.



Spitzer is savvy enough to know what happened a decade ago when Gov. George Pataki sought to collect the taxes. Native Americans blockaded highways, confronted police and burned tires in protest. Pataki quickly backed down.



Still, the law is the law. The state has enough resources at its command to prepare for any short-term problems as the transition is made. As Spitzer himself noted, the taxes don't need to be collected directly from Native American businesses, but could be collected at a different point in the economic chain from wholesalers, for example.



Spitzer's administration needs to draft a plan, communicate that plan and then enforce it. It should also recognize that a number of Upstate tribes, including the Oneidas, Mohawks and Senecas, have much to lose if disruption occurs. The public's not going to spend time or money at a casino managed by a tribe whose members are confronting police. That's important leverage for the state.



The state budgeted some $200,000 in sales-tax collections from Native American businesses. While a tiny fraction of the overall state budget, it's still real money. More important, it's symbolic of the action Albany needs to take to create a level playing field for businesses and to enforce the law.



If Spitzer can accomplish that before year's end, that would be much more than "marginally useful."





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Edited by grinch (08/20/07 08:23 AM)

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