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#608998 --- 07/25/07 11:21 AM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense

Why is female circumcision an unacceptable cultural practice and male circumcision acceptable? It confuses me.



Originally Posted By: past tense
A female circumcision can involve one more more of the following:

removal of the "hood" over the clitoris* I forgot about this one - but it's listed in Wikipedia

removal of the clitoris and part or whole of the labia

sewing closed (to varying degrees) the vaginal opening

Now, I understand that a male circumcision does not prevent orgasm the way a female circucision does




You think - maybe????
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#609007 --- 07/25/07 11:53 AM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: Gio]
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Regardless, you are still PERMANENTLY ALTERING a physical feature of one's genitalia. That is the definition of genital mutilation. I just find it interesting that we don't think much about one while we're horrified by the other.
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#609019 --- 07/25/07 12:15 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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Then do you also feel that piercing ones ears, nose, tongue, tattooing is also a form of mutilation? Is in permanently altering a body and making it look different.

I have a pierced ear, a tattoo (plan on getting another) and I don't feel I have mutilated my body in any way.
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#609022 --- 07/25/07 12:20 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Of course they are forms of mutilation. I have three holes in one ear and two in the other, plus a navel piercing. However I CHOSE to have those done.

I think because the word "mutilation" is generally used in a negative sense you are reading it with a value judgement when there really isn't one. But any permanent change to the human body is, in fact, mutilation, including piercing and tattooing.


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#609024 --- 07/25/07 12:25 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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You have 4 piercings? Do they allow that in Seneca Falls? lol.

Ok, then in that sense I agree with you, circumcision, piercing, tattoos are a form of altering the human body.

I guess I don't have a problem with male circumcision because I don't find where it has caused any ill effects upon my life, where the things that are done to girls are much more life threatening.
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#609028 --- 07/25/07 12:33 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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I just think it's a double standard. Messing with your junk is just as bad as messing with mine. IMO.
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#609029 --- 07/25/07 12:38 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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LOL. My mind went right to the gutter. hahahaha
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#609030 --- 07/25/07 12:38 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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By the way, there is no way in hell, I'm ever gonna do a piercing below the waist. I've seen guys with that and it is just down right scarey.
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#609033 --- 07/25/07 12:44 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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I had a boyfriend w/ one - back in the day. Wasn't half bad! lol
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#609037 --- 07/25/07 12:45 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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I'm shocked! Actually I have heard that it does help to improve sensitivity....Nope, still not gonna do it.
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#609040 --- 07/25/07 12:47 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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I wouldn't either! Ever. But ah - it was fun while it lasted? lol

He had a lot of piercings and tats. In fact, he's the one who convinced me to get my navel pierced. I've been thinking about taking it out since I'm, um, thirty.
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#609044 --- 07/25/07 12:51 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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Thirty? You old thing!

There's a guy that works at Spin on Park Ave. He has more piercings than I can count on his face and ears. He's a really nice guy, very friendly. We have been dying to ask him what else he has pierced.
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#609046 --- 07/25/07 12:53 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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lol - Spin - is that the coffee place? I had their Blueberry Crunch whole bean in my freezer in NY - loved it! Thank goodness we can at least get good coffee here...

I'd ask him - generally people w/ that many piercings love to talk about it. I know my ex did.
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#609051 --- 07/25/07 12:56 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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Yes, Spin is the coffee place. I'm dying to dry the Blueberry Crunch. Every time I'm in there I usually am poor and can only afford my drink. But one of these days, I'm gonna buy a bag of it.

I would assume people with many piercings are like people with many tattoos. They are pretty proud of them.

Speaking of tattoos, I'm thinking about getting a Celtic Knot on my shoulder. The other half is thinking about the Ying Yang in the form of lizards.
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#609055 --- 07/25/07 12:59 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Fancy!
I chickened out on a tat last year before moving. Maybe next time!
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#609056 --- 07/25/07 01:00 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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I have the one on my leg. Got it years ago. The worst part was the irritation afterwards. But it healed quickly and wasn't bad at all.
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#609145 --- 07/25/07 03:04 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Every time this subject comes up - male circ. - I can't help but think about it...mostly because I never gave it much thought until I met someone who wasn't circumcised. I mean, why would I? I don't even remember one being in my health textbook or anything. Anyway, I just think it's interesting because if you think about it - absent a religions reason (which I don't necessarily think justifies the practice, but it has a basis, a reasoning, whether I agree with it or not) - we basically circumcise because that's what's done. That's what you do. That's how it's done. And I think that's kind of a crazy reason to do anything - especially something like allow a doctor to perform surgery on your newborn son's penis. It's not as routine, I think, when you consider it that way for a minute.

So I thought I'd google "botched circumcision" just to see what came up and - ew.

http://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/horror/horror.shtml

plus some "botch galleries" which - I'm sorry I visited. Won't make that mistake again.

I just really find it fascinating the way one is this huge human rights issue, but to bring up male circumcision as a human rights issue usually meets with disbelief.
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#609171 --- 07/25/07 04:04 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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I believe the medical reasoning behind it it is for less infections will occur than with the foreskin..this is what ive heard
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#609223 --- 07/25/07 06:44 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: donedirtcheap]
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Which has pretty much been debunked. All you have to do is clean it. Is it that tough to clean? It can't take more than an extra 60 seconds.


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#609243 --- 07/25/07 08:23 PM Re: Circumcision key to curbing AIDS spread [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
Regardless, you are still PERMANENTLY ALTERING a physical feature of one's genitalia. That is the definition of genital mutilation. I just find it interesting that we don't think much about one while we're horrified by the other.



Uh huh and here again cause I think you missed it...

Now, I understand that a male circumcision does not prevent orgasm the way a female circucision does

... I would say this is why we are horrified by it. Please tell me you are not suggesting we shouldnt be????
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