Well To all the fighting about who's safer or who's at fault...There is a Dead, and I mean Dead 64 year old in the morgue at Geneva General who shows it really does not matter whos at fault, he lost..His rider, is in really bad shape flown via MFC to Strong Memorial Hospital, with Multiple Fx's a head injury, I talked to the Trauma team at strong, they wanted info on the mechinisim of injury, and they stated that her injuries are life threatning. The 'young' car driver, may have been at fault, probably did not see the poor folks on the bike, but he has to live with this forever. The person that was driving the bike is from PA, was wearing a helmet (even though not a great helmet, which made NO difference in this crash) the rider was also wearing a helmet. Both riders were dressed appropriatly..Stuff happens, and people like myself and others are charged to clean it up...To all of the great Fire Fighters that were there, thank you..If you need to debrief, talk to your chief, I already gave him my cell number. To the wonderful bystander that works in the area, if you are reading this, I will catch up with you tomorrow to debrief, and make sure you are ok. And I am sure that the families appreciate the prayers.