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#631621 --- 08/31/07 09:59 AM Re: Cayuga settlement offer - has anyone heard ? [Re: Don]
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Originally Posted By: Don
This is crap. The Supreme Court rules one way so the Cayugas go back door to the BIA. I say we fight them again tooth and nail. Everytime they try to find a loophole we should be there to shut it down. A lawsuit against the federal government might be in order. Instead, our politicians are figuring out how to divvy up $15 million.


You are right on!!! 15 million dollars is petty cash to these indian casinos. Then they want to come in and cherry pick properties to run tax paying citizens out of business. It's a joke and our professional lifetime politicians DON'T HAVE A CLUE!!! They only care about "not saying anything" and getting re-elected. Bunch of jackasses!!!
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#631773 --- 08/31/07 12:11 PM Re: Cayuga settlement offer - has anyone heard ? [Re: justaxme]
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What they care about, how much will that tribe contribute to their political fund.


Edited by grinch (08/31/07 01:55 PM)

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#632138 --- 09/01/07 05:48 AM Re: Cayuga settlement offer - has anyone heard ? [Re: grinch]
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Originally Posted By: grinch
What they care about, how much will that tribe contribute to their political fund.


How much do you think it costs to buy the average professional lifetime politician? I need to buy me one so I can live off the government too!!!! Workin' for a living is too much work!!!
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#632169 --- 09/01/07 06:34 AM Re: Cayuga settlement offer - has anyone heard ? [Re: justaxme]
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I hear tell there might be one, you can pick up pretty cheap, his reputation is a little tarnished, but I sure bet he won't command that much on the open market anymore. Just don't go into the johns w/ him.
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#647970 --- 09/25/07 06:21 AM Re: Cayuga settlement vote [Re: dwarren]
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Originally Posted By: dwarren
Here you go right from the State of New York itself: "Not surprisingly, no Indian land in New York has ever been held in trust status for the Oneidas or any other Indian group." (Page 3 last sentence of first paragraph of http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/legal_protection_pdf/oingrp3memo.pdf )


Here is information on the votes from the Office of the Solicitor of the Department of Interior: http://www.upstate-citizens.org/10-Years-of-Tribal-Government-Under-the-IRA.pdf

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#650593 --- 09/28/07 05:14 PM Re: Cayuga settlement vote [Re: dwarren]
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When the tribes are refused trust land in NY then will Spitzer enforce the laws/taxes?
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#880411 --- 09/11/08 07:09 PM Re: Cayuga settlement vote [Re: bluezone]
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tribe lost.
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#929335 --- 12/02/08 05:00 PM Re: Cayuga settlement vote [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
It's in the National Archives. The Iroquois deeded all their lands to the Brits in 1702 and again in 1726 in exchange for protection from the French.


have the tribe sue the Brits.
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#968994 --- 01/28/09 09:34 AM Re: Cayuga settlement vote [Re: bluezone]
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#970796 --- 01/30/09 02:35 PM Re: Cayuga settlement offer - has anyone heard ? [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
What is the economic condition of the non-indian businesses and residents in the imediate area of Turning Stone? How did the school district that Turning Stone is in make out with having the casino? How many new jobs and "support" businesses were created when Turning Stone started?
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The non-Indian businesses in the immediate area, convenience stores have all either been shut down or bought off by the tribe. Locally, the one in Union Springs lost 84% of it's business, which is why it will not reopen thanks to Governor Spitzer. The restaurants were also affected and some have been bought by the tribe. Grocery stores are also losing business. No non-tribal marinas on the end of the lake the Turning Stone is on sell gas anymore. The county coroner's business is booming and he sometimes needs help, but he's been told not to brag about all the new business he's received thanks to the Turning Stone.

As to "support" businesses, well let's see, they all received letters telling them they had to support Halbritter's applications to place 17,000 acres into federal trust or lose their business with the resort. Assemblywoman RoAnn DeStito's husband got a contract with the tribe, that's one job created. Maybe that's why she isn't as vocal as Townsend. Oh, and the sales tax there is ten percent now to make up for the businesses that were lost that used to pay into the tax structure and loss in property taxes. The school distrrict get silver trinket awards donated to it at a fraction of what the taxes would be and such donations have been witheld in the past.

Two days ago, Assemblyman Townsend held a news conference at Arnott's grocery store at the corner of Route 31 and Main Street in Verona, urging the Nation to "start paying property taxes" and appealing to Gov. Eliot Spitzer to follow through on his plan to collect sales taxes from Indian enterprises across the state.

He said the Arnott's site was selected for the news conference as "just an example of a...family business trying to stay alive...hang on," while paying regular taxes in the face of the Nation's competitive advantage from not making such payments.

"This is costing local residents and businesses millions and millions of dollars," Townsend said. "We are calling on Ray Halbritter to finally live up to his words as a good neighbor and start paying property taxes they owe."

Townsend said the nation owes $248 million in property and sales taxes.

Also speaking in agreement with Townsend were county legislator Michael Hennessy, D-2, Sherrill, and representatives of Citizens Equal Rights Alliance, Empire State Restaurant and Tavern Association and Central New York Fair Business Association.
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#997201 --- 03/20/09 10:08 AM Re: Cayuga settlement offer - has anyone heard ? [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
...I told her there was no land claim to settle and IGRA didn't have a casino exception for trust applications on lands purchased after 1988. The Citizen replied that the Cayuga tribe claims their land claim is still alive, that it was only settled in the courts.



The land claims are a scam.
US citizens should obey the same laws and pay their share.

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#1001333 --- 03/30/09 12:04 PM Re: Cayuga settlement offer - has anyone heard ? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone

Townsend said the nation owes $248 million in property and sales taxes.


Say it ain't so?
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