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#574627 --- 05/09/07 05:29 PM THIS is oppression of Christians
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To all the Christianist crybabies here in America who scream that war is being waged against them every time a nativity scene is removed from public land or a gay person is allowed to do, well, anything, I say read the following:

Iraq's Christian Minority Flees Violence
Half Of Nation's Christian Population May Have Left After Increasing Incidents Of Attacks And Kidnappings

(AP) Despite the chaos and sectarian violence raging across Baghdad, Farouq Mansour felt relatively safe as a Christian living in a multiethnic neighborhood in the capital.

Then, two months ago, al Qaeda gunmen kidnapped him and demanded that his family convert to Islam or pay a $30,000 ransom. Two weeks later, he paid up, was released and immediately fled to Syria, joining a mass exodus of Iraq's increasingly threatened Christian minority.

"There is no future for us in Iraq," Mansour said.

Although Islamic extremists have targeted Iraqi Christians before, bombing churches and threatening religious leaders, the latest attacks have taken on a far more personal tone. Many Christians are being expelled from their homes and forced to leave their possessions behind, police, human rights groups and residents said.

The Christian community here, about 3 percent of the country's 26 million people, has little political or military clout to defend itself, and some Islamic insurgents call Christians "crusaders" whose real loyalty lies with U.S. troops.

Many churches are now nearly empty, with many of their faithful either gone or too scared to attend. Only about 30 people attended this Sunday's mass at St. Joseph's Catholic Church in the relatively safe Baghdad neighborhood of Karradah, and only two dozen took communion in the barren St. Mary's Church in the northern city of Kirkuk on Sunday.

As many as 50 percent of Iraq's Christians may already have left the country, according to a report issued Wednesday by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, a federal monitoring and advisory group in Washington D.C.

"These groups face widespread violence from Sunni insurgents and foreign jihadis, and they also suffer pervasive discrimination and marginalization at the hands of the national government, regional governments, and para-state militias," said the report.

Islamic extremists have also targeted liquor stores, hair salons and other Christian-owned businesses, saying they violate Islam, the report said.

"This is not the culture of Iraqis or the nature of Iraqis. We have lived during centuries together in a respectful attitude and friendship," said Luwis Zarco, the Catholic archbishop of Kirkuk.

In much of the Middle East, Christians are a largely tolerated minority that have achieved a measure of business and professional success, but they are sometimes viewed with suspicion by their Muslim neighbors.

In Saddam-era Iraq, the country's 800,000 Christians many of them Chaldean-Assyrians and Armenians, with small numbers of Roman Catholics were generally left alone. Many, such as Saddam Hussein's foreign minister and deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz, reached the highest levels of power.

But after U.S. forces toppled Saddam, insurgents launched a coordinated bombing campaign in the summer of 2004 against Baghdad churches, sending some Christians fleeing in fear.

A second wave of anti-Christian attacks hit last September after Pope Benedict XVI made comments perceived to be anti-Islam. Church bombings spiked and a priest in the northern city of Mosul was kidnapped and later found beheaded.

In the recent violence, residents of the Baghdad neighborhood of Dora said gunmen knocked on the doors of Christian families, demanding they either pay jizya a special tax traditionally levied on non-Muslims or leave. The jizya has not been imposed in Muslim nations in about 100 years.

One man, Arakan Admon, was wounded in a drive-by shooting last week when his family ignored the threats, relatives said.

In response to the threats, about 70 percent of Dora's Christians have fled, police said.

"The terrorists want to turn Dora into a base to attack other Baghdad neighborhoods," said Christian lawmaker Younadam Kana. "Criminal gangs made use of the situation and they started to kidnap Christians and demand ransom. It is a coalition between terrorists and criminals."

The southern neighborhood is a Sunni insurgent stronghold that has seen frequent U.S. shelling under a security crackdown against the sectarian violence.

In the northern city of Mosul, men began knocking on doors last month, demanding that Christian families pay a $3,000 tax that would be used to fight the U.S.-led forces, local residents said. Some paid; others fled.

Mansour, a 63-year-old retiree, said that while many other Christians left, he chose to stay in his Amariyah neighborhood in western Baghdad. He was hoping that the Baghdad security plan, which U.S.-led forces launched on Feb. 14, would improve the situation.

"But the opposite happened," he said.

Mansour was kidnapped March 11 by gunmen who identified themselves as al Qaeda. After 15 days in captivity, his family paid the ransom and fled the country, leaving their home and electric appliance store behind, Mansour said in a telephone interview from Syria.

They said that if Mansour and his family did not convert, they would have to pay $30,000. After 15 days in captivity, his family paid the ransom, he said.

The next day, they fled the neighborhood, leaving their home and electric appliance store behind. Hours later, an insurgent called demanding Mansour bring back his car, he said. He returned, handed over the keys, then left the country.

Days later, a group of insurgents knocked on his brother Mudhafar's door, telling him to leave his house within 24 hours, because they don't want Christians in the neighborhood, Mansour said. His family fled to Syria as well, leaving all its possessions behind.

The local Hammurabi group, a Sunni human rights organization, harshly criticized the attacks and demanded the government protect all Iraqis.

"These actions violate the values of Islam," the group said.


Now THAT is a war on christianity.
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#574687 --- 05/09/07 06:15 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Reinhart Faust]
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Its too bad that is not happening here is the US, ehh ?
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#574690 --- 05/09/07 06:19 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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So now your anti-Christian?
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#574691 --- 05/09/07 06:20 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Aren't all anti-Americans?

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#574692 --- 05/09/07 06:21 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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No i hate everyone equally with out prejudice. but we know how RF hates christians, people from the south, and all others who dont march in lock step with Slick Willie King of the Horn Dogs.
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#574693 --- 05/09/07 06:22 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Every man I've ever met marches in lockstep with Slick Willie of the Horn Dogs. Lets not pretend it has anything to do with politics or ideology \:\/
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#574695 --- 05/09/07 06:22 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Aren't all anti-Americans?


awwwwwwwwwwww, isnt that sweet .



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#574696 --- 05/09/07 06:23 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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Are you a lesbian ?
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#574699 --- 05/09/07 06:24 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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My noting that all men are horny pigs makes me a lesbian?

LOL
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#574701 --- 05/09/07 06:24 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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I was wondering.
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#574702 --- 05/09/07 06:25 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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If you have a male SO then he is a pig also ? or just whipped ?
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#574703 --- 05/09/07 06:25 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Keep it up
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#574704 --- 05/09/07 06:25 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Originally Posted By: Bubba_Zanetti
If you have a male SO then he is a pig also ? or just whipped ?


Both.

"Have a male." LOL


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#574705 --- 05/09/07 06:25 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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OOOO a threat , how awesome is that.
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#574706 --- 05/09/07 06:26 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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LOL you are too funny.
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#574707 --- 05/09/07 06:26 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Keep wondering, idiot. Not "keep it up" angry-Dad-style.

LOL
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#574708 --- 05/09/07 06:26 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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Ha Your the angry Dad type, hmmmmmm... \:o


Edited by Bubba_Zanetti (05/09/07 06:26 PM)
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#574710 --- 05/09/07 06:27 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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OMG you bullies are picking on me.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ROFLMAO



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#574711 --- 05/09/07 06:28 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Originally Posted By: Bubba_Zanetti
Are you a lesbian ?


There's nothing wrong with being lesbian. Heck I know some that could probably kick your butt into next week and build a new house at the same time.
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#574712 --- 05/09/07 06:28 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Originally Posted By: Bubba_Zanetti
Ha Your the angry Dad type, hmmmmmm... \:o


Thanks for giving us all this little look inside your head today. RF, who knew your article about persecution of Christians in Iraq would reveal such an incredibly twisted sexual pathology.
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#574713 --- 05/09/07 06:30 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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Wow I cant believe you said that about your brother.

Talking about his twisted sexual desires, Yikes!

You two are close ?


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#574714 --- 05/09/07 06:31 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Originally Posted By: Bubba_Zanetti
Are you a lesbian ?


There's nothing wrong with being lesbian. Heck I know some that could probably kick your butt into next week and build a new house at the same time.

Why do you assume I think there is something wrong with lesbians.

Why do you hate hetros ?
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#574716 --- 05/09/07 06:32 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Kinda wierd but you two are from seneca county, and hey whatever floats your boat.
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#574717 --- 05/09/07 06:33 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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You said in a previous post you hate everything. I guess that pretty much means you dislike lesbians.

Why do I hate hetero's. Well gee, us homo's have an agenda to make all you male hetero's realize the error in your sexuality and will bring you all over to our side. Don't worry to much Bubba Z. We'll eventually get you out of the closet.
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#574718 --- 05/09/07 06:34 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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This new crop sucks.

rainydayblues 4eva

lol
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#574719 --- 05/09/07 06:35 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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You know I miss Rainydayblues....
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#574721 --- 05/09/07 06:36 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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Originally Posted By: TRD_Tacoma
You said in a previous post you hate everything. I guess that pretty much means you dislike lesbians.

Why do I hate hetero's. Well gee, us homo's have an agenda to make all you male hetero's realize the error in your sexuality and will bring you all over to our side. Don't worry to much Bubba Z. We'll eventually get you out of the closet.


Only in your wetdreams. You stay with your grayhaired , red collared lover.
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#574725 --- 05/09/07 06:38 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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You just wait there Bubba Z. Us gays will get our way eventually. Someday you will realize the error of your ways and will be a good submissive bottom and will be a liberal at the same time. We (by that I mean us gays) have a secret mission in place to get what we want.
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#574729 --- 05/09/07 06:40 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: TRD_Tacoma]
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WOW YOU ARE SAYING . ALL LIBERALS ARE SUBMISSIVE BOTTOMS LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!! I never would have thought of that, but I guess it makes sense.

Right from the gimps mouth, after they took the gag ball out.


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#574731 --- 05/09/07 06:43 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Well gotta run, there are floors to be cleaned.
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#574758 --- 05/09/07 07:28 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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This went downhill fast...
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#574768 --- 05/09/07 07:52 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Reinhart Faust]
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And you expected ???????.

Isn't this argument kinda like saying the Blacks that feel oppressed in America are crybabies, because look what happens to the blacks in Danfur. Or maybe the atheisits in this country should quit whining when you consider what could be done to them in the middle east ?
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#574769 --- 05/09/07 07:53 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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This should stir up some good discussion now that TRD and his luv Puppy are gone.

I will check in tomorrow. The toilets in lower manhattan will not clean themselves.
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#574772 --- 05/09/07 07:54 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Originally Posted By: Bubba_Zanetti
And you expected ???????.

Isn't this argument kinda like saying the Blacks that feel oppressed in America are crybabies, because look what happens to the blacks in Danfur. Or maybe the atheisits in this country should quit whining when you consider what could be done to them in the middle east ?


Danfur, now that's just east of Darfur, right?
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#574788 --- 05/09/07 08:19 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Yea... crybaby Christians have no clue as to what REAL persecution is... none of them have been crusified or their heads cut off or burned here in the U.S.S.A. in hundreds of years, except for those that were said to be witches back in olde Boston days... .

Yep, them nancy pants whiney Christians... Dey doan no much ah nuthing cuz we git r done on dem foolish religus nutbags..

Thanks for clearing up that American Christians are less persecuted than any other Christian... That settles my mind completely and now I can sleep in reverence, due to the pontification I received as well.
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#574793 --- 05/09/07 08:35 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Sausage]
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Not less persecuted - NOT PERSECUTED AT ALL.

Please. It's insulting to actual persecuted Christians to imply that the fact you have to spend your own money on your own nativity scene because your nativity scene DOESN'T REPRESENT THE BELIEFS OF ALL PEOPLE and thus doesn't belong on a COURTHOUSE LAWN is "persecution". Waaa waa waa! Jesus HATES you.
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#574794 --- 05/09/07 08:37 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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I didn't say christians were crybabies, I said Christianists. There's a difference.
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#574796 --- 05/09/07 08:49 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Sausage]
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Yea... crybaby Christians have no clue as to what REAL persecution is... none of them have been crusified or their heads cut off or burned here in the U.S.S.A. in hundreds of years, except for those that were said to be witches back in olde Boston days... .

You're thinking of Salem, not Boston. And they were hanged, and one pressed to death. Not burned. Burning is Eurostyle.
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#574826 --- 05/09/07 09:32 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Josephus]
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Quote: Slick Willie King of the Horn Dogs. -----As much as I admire Bill Clinton's focus and intensity--my old high school boyfriend is and was the all time King of the Horndogs. And now that Bill's on serious heart meds, I'll wager that little Elvis is not leaving the building nearly as often-if at all.

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#574978 --- 05/10/07 04:43 AM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Originally Posted By: Bubba_Zanetti
No i hate everyone equally with out prejudice...


At last! A man after my own heart.
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#574979 --- 05/10/07 04:45 AM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Reinhart Faust]
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Originally Posted By: Reinhart Faust
This went downhill fast...


It started out pretty far down. Another one of your senseless rants.
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#575159 --- 05/10/07 04:20 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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73 predominantly black churches have been burned or desecrated since January, 1995.

A USA Today investigation found that, although a number of white churches have burned since January 1995, the rate of black church arsons is more than double what it had been in earlier years. And, of course, there are many fewer black churches (65,000) than white churches (300,000), so a much higher percentage of black churches have been burned.28

The USA Today investigation also found "two well-defined geographic clusters or 'Arson zones' where black church arsons are up sharply over the last three years."
The zones are:


1) a 200-mile oval in the mid-South that encompasses western Tennessee and parts of Alabama and Mississippi," and

2) another area that "stretches across the Carolinas, where the rate of black church arsons has tripled since 1993."29

Of those who have been arrested or prosecuted for destroying black churches since 1990, the majority have been white males between the ages of 14 and 45. And, of the 39 people who have been arrested in the arsons that occurred since January 1995, 26 have been white, 13 black.

Since 1990, at least 13 of the arsons of black churches took place in January around the holiday commemorating the birth of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.



http://www.atf.gov/pub/gen_pub/report2000/appendix1_charts.pdf
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#575165 --- 05/10/07 04:25 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: Sausage]
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USA Today - hard hitting journalism.

Sounds more like a race issue than a specifically religious one, but very interesting.
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#575418 --- 05/10/07 09:25 PM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: past tense]
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This kind of thing is pretty common in the deep south-where these mostly Baptist Black churches are also a social, educational, and human services center as well as a spiritual one. I agree that it's more of an act of racism than religious persection.

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#575524 --- 05/11/07 01:44 AM Re: THIS is oppression of Christians [Re: greenelf]
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could be faulty wiring...
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