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#574170 --- 05/09/07 01:04 AM Not So Soon again?
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Police in the US state of California have arrested a university student suspected of shooting dead a man in a dispute over a video game console.
The incident happened on Monday at an apartment block close to the California State University campus in Fresno.

Police said 19-year-old criminology student Jonquel Brooks got into an argument with four men at his apartment and opened fire with a handgun.

A 19-year-old man was killed and two other men received gunshot wounds.

"The dispute was over a Playstation," said Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer.

"The suspect pulled out a handgun and fired repeatedly towards the direction of these individuals."

Students 'not in danger'

Police evacuated the apartment complex as they searched for the gunman, but the university campus remained opened.



Mr Dyer said that Mr Brooks handed himself in after intense telephone negotiations involving police, his parents and a lawyer.

He said students at the nearby campus had never been in danger because police were in contact with the gunman and knew he was not on the campus.

The two injured men have been released from hospital.

The incident comes only three weeks after a student went on a deadly shooting spree at a university, causing shock across America.

Twenty-three-year-old Cho Seung-hui killed 32 students on the Virginia Tech campus before committing suicide.

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#574360 --- 05/09/07 12:34 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Time On My Hands]
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Where in Ontario County is this?

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#574367 --- 05/09/07 12:46 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: TLC127]
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It is not in Ontario County but I AM and I consider this important news as it should be a wake up call for what may happen here one day in our schools as well if kids can kill over a play station game!

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#574553 --- 05/09/07 03:53 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Time On My Hands]
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Kids can kill over sneakers, too. Want them to go barefoot?

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#574587 --- 05/09/07 04:41 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Time On My Hands]
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Here's a novel idea: Teach them not to kill.
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#575679 --- 05/11/07 02:34 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: VM Smith]
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No, we need to spend millions of taxpayer dollars teaching them that abstinence is the only answer to HIV.

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#575716 --- 05/11/07 04:48 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Retired Soldier]
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It didn't work in your case. Damn whatta shock.


You ever find your parents after they dumped you in the dumpster?



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#575732 --- 05/11/07 05:19 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: SkySoldier]
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You are one poor, sick, misfit. You couldn't make it in the Army and you can't even hold a job. You have the vocabulary of a thirteen year old.

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#575751 --- 05/11/07 05:51 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
You are one poor, sick, misfit. You couldn't make it in the Army and you can't even hold a job. You have the vocabulary of a thirteen year old.


Well, your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries!

Somebody had to inject some humor)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/quotes


Edited by Llama (05/11/07 05:55 PM)

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#575753 --- 05/11/07 05:54 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Llama]
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I LOVE elderberry pie.
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#575789 --- 05/11/07 08:12 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: past tense]
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I thought I was being funny talking about abstinence trainig replacing real sex education.

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#575827 --- 05/11/07 10:27 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Retired Soldier]
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you're funny alright RS, but in a sick sort of way, with the usual dribble that your posts contain, it keeps me out of these types of forums.
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#575841 --- 05/11/07 10:51 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Ranger]
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Just what the forum needs, another critic with nothing to say. You don't have anything intelligent to offer on the many subjects on this forum?

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#576121 --- 05/12/07 10:58 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Retired Soldier]
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#576635 --- 05/14/07 04:14 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
It didn't work in your case. Damn whatta shock.


You ever find your parents after they dumped you in the dumpster?



:-)


We forgot to sterilize some hippies back 1970....dang it all.. Did ya ever feel that way Sky? hehe
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#576638 --- 05/14/07 04:16 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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You conservatives are so cute! Just like Hitler!
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#576640 --- 05/14/07 04:17 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: past tense]
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You Commies are not cute, just like Stalin
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#576643 --- 05/14/07 04:21 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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LOL

Commies.

Go back to the fifties, oldie. It's a new world - try living in it.
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#576658 --- 05/14/07 04:50 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: past tense]
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Denial is the first step in losing ones freedom
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#576662 --- 05/14/07 04:52 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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Actually, I think it's apathy, but whatever you say. LOL. We'll go with denial of the "fact" that I'm a "commie" is the first step in "losing my freedom."

*groaning at the thought you are allowed to vote*


Edited by past tense (05/14/07 04:54 PM)
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#576674 --- 05/14/07 05:17 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: past tense]
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THE HEAT IS ON
Czech prez: Environmentalism is new communism
'Biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity'

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Posted: March 20, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: The current global warming frenzy is exposed as never before in the March edition of WND's acclaimed monthly Whistleblower magazine, in an issue titled, HYSTERIA: Exposing the secret agenda behind today's obsession with global warming."

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


As the House Energy and Commerce Committee prepares to question former Vice President Al Gore tomorrow morning about global warming, Czech President Vaclav Klaus is warning congressmen that environmental extremism is the modern equivalent of communism.

Responding yesterday to U.S. Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, and former House Speaker Denny Hastert, R-Ill., the Czech leader said: "It becomes evident that while discussing climate we are not witnessing a clash of views about the environment, but a clash of views about human freedom."

"As someone who lived under communism for most of my life I feel obliged to say that the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity at the beginning of the 21st century is not communism or its various softer variants," said Klaus, responding to questions posed by the two lawmakers. "Communism was replaced by the threat of ambitious environmentalism."


He added, "The so-called climate change and especially man-made climate change has become one of the most dangerous arguments aimed at distorting human efforts and public policies in the whole world."

In a letter to Klaus, Barton, the committee's ranking Republican, and Hastert, ranking Republican on the Energy and Air Quality Subcommittee, asked the Czech president to comment on global warming, based on his background as an economist and political leader, especially since he is familiar with European responses to global warming.

"We believe your perspective on the political, economic and moral aspects of the climate change debate can be useful as we seek to assess the potential impacts of proposed U.S. climate-related regulations on the economic well-being of its citizens and their ability to contribute to future economic vitality and innovation here and abroad," Barton and Hastert said.

Klaus urges policymakers to rely on free-market principles, not government coercion, in formulating public policy. In his written response to the House committee members, the Czech leader said:

"I warn against adopting regulations based on the so-called precautionary principle which the environmentalists use to justify their recommendations, the clear benefit of which they are not able to prove." Klaus added, "Responsible politics should take into account the opportunity costs of such proposals and be aware of the fact that the wasteful environmentalist policies are adopted to the detriment of other policies, thus neglecting many other important needs of millions of people all over the world. Each policy measure must be based on a cost-benefit analysis."

Last month, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., ranking member of the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee, congratulated Klaus for speaking out against the fears of man-made global warming. Klaus had told a Czech newspaper on Feb. 8 that fears of catastrophic man-made global warming were a "myth" and critiqued the U.N.'s report, calling it "political." Klaus also said other government leaders would speak out, but "political correctness strangles their voice."

"President Klaus is to be commended for his courage in speaking not only the truth about the science behind global warming fears, but the reality of the politicization of the U.N.," Inhofe said. "President Klaus's reported comments questioning the fears of catastrophic man-made global warming are in line with a growing chorus of scientists, peer-reviewed literature and government leaders who are finally realizing the true motivations behind climate scares. The scientific and political momentum is clearly shifting away from climate alarmists to climate realists," Inhofe said.



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#576679 --- 05/14/07 05:23 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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The New Communism
By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
Posted on 8/9/2001
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The political and ideological forces that gave rise to Bolshevism at the turn of the century are similarly inspiring the movement that looted and burned last month in Genoa, and, before that in Quebec City, Davos, and Seattle. The experience of both causes shows how violent fanatics can gain a political stronghold, and influence the course of history, provided they choose their issues carefully—and just as carefully conceal their ambitions.

From 1916 through 1918, the Bolsheviks engaged in active protest against the Russian war on Germany. They were the party with one unnegotiable demand: peace. The Communists were wrong on everything but that one issue, yet it was the most important to the general Russian population. An entire generation of young men was being drafted by the Tsar and sent to be killed, even as the war was crushing the economy and spreading misery and suffering.

The Tsar seemed impervious to the suffering. Meanwhile, Lenin and Trotsky, maniacal Communists with a lust for blood, said the war was a symptom of capitalism, which makes no sense, but they called for an end to an undeniable injustice that no one else talked about. Not until after they gained power did the Communists' demonic intentions become obvious to most Russians. But once the Reds consolidated their power by murdering their adversaries, their bloody rule lasted 74 years.

The international communism movement didn't disappear after 1989; it just took on new guises and causes. The media like to talk about how diverse the protestors were in Genoa (the whites, pinks, and blacks), but these labels apply only to their tactics and taste for blood.

All but a few agree that capitalism, as embodied in the leadership of industrialized nations, needs to be displaced by a revolutionary anticapitalist vanguard, or, if that doesn’t work, a heavy-handed regulatory and redistributionist regime that would cripple capitalist production.

In these ambitions, the protestors were homogeneous, save for a few straggling libertarians. However, the propaganda strength of the Genoa protestors was also based in genuine complaints about the present state of things. All over Europe, resentments against the consolidation of the international bureaucracies are coming to a boil.

Intimately bound up with this concern is growing opposition to US military imperialism. The US has most of the guns and cares least about the effects of their use. Everywhere on the global map where you find US soldiers (in more than 100 countries), you will also find locals who despise them for their bad behavior and arrogance. US military dominance has given rise to other complaints: that the US exercises undue political influence on governments and international agencies.

In fact, many political trends of our times are best seen as attempts to provide some counterweight to the one-superpower world. Despite assurances, for example, this is precisely what the Russia-China accord was all about.

The protest movement has been emboldened by the Bush administration's resolve to build a nuclear shield—the biggest government boondoggle since the superconducting supercollider, and dangerous in the bargain. In true Marxist fashion, the protestors blame capitalism as the root problem (have they noticed that the military itself is a socialist institution, entirely funded by tax dollars?) and favor some sort of communism as the answer.

And so, inevitably, they lump together good positions the US takes (against the Kyoto treaty) with the bad positions (global military domination). Just as the US military empire discredits its good economic works, the protestors mix their laudable opposition to militarism with a damnable hatred of liberty and property.

But in general these people are long on complaints and short on answers. The stock demand that international agencies do more to protect "human rights" plays right into the hands of the power elite. Thus Jacques Chirac, the French social democrat, made very sympathetic comments toward the protestors. The final statement of the G-8 included all sorts of pious rambling about the world's poor, comments widely interpreted as concessions to the protestors.

The protestors have no principled objection to international agencies as such. Instead, they want to eliminate whatever good they do—opening world markets to capitalist exchange—and expand the bad that they do, which is imposing US-style regulation on the world.

Indeed, a main demand of the protestors is that the international bureaucrats inside be given more, not less, power over economic life. What may look like violent conflict between the plutocrat and the protestor is merely a disagreement between moderate and extreme attempts to subject the world to global economic management.

To understand the extent of the ideological confusion, have a look at the manifesto of the antiglobalist movement. The book Empire is written by would-be Lenins Michael Hardt and Antonio Negri, and it is unabashedly promoted as the new Communist Manifesto.

The authors (Negri is in jail in Rome and Hardt is a literature professor at Duke) are economic ignoramuses. They live lives entirely shielded from commercial society. They know nothing of the library of books showing that their Marxoid views are nothing short of lunacy. And yet the book is so much in demand that the publisher (Harvard University Press) can barely keep it in stock. If you are paying tuition for your child to go to college, it's a good bet that he will be reading this book in the next six months.

Here's what the book says, as gleaned from an equally insane op-ed in the New York Times (June 20, 2001). Apart from its arch tone, and cocksure sense that history is on their side, the authors' complaints amount to the usual leftist prattle about racism, sexism, and multinational corporations. But whereas Marx and Engels were specific about what they demanded (the abolition of the family and private property, for example), Hardt and Negri are more circumspect. They merely ask for a "new system" that would "eliminate inequalities between rich and poor and between the powerful and the powerless" and "expand the possibilities of self-determination."

That last point about self-determination could mean anything (I bet not secession, however). But the point about inequality is unmistakable. Think about what it would require to "eliminate" inequality, that is, to make everyone equal in wealth and power. Look it up: equal means the same, as in arithmetic. It cannot happen. The attempt would require a looter state on a scale that we haven't seen since, well, since the early Soviet Union. As F.A. Hayek said, "a claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers."

But Hardt and Negri don’t deal with Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, or any serious thinkers in the liberal tradition. Their religion, their lunacy, begins with the premise that Marxism is true, and they ignore or dismiss anything that departs from that premise.

Some may call their followers anarchists, but in fact what these people want is total control. What life would be like under a regime inspired by these people is foreshadowed in the streets of Genoa: looting, burning, destruction, and chaos. The protestors did us a favor in previewing exactly what would happen everywhere on the planet if they prevail.

How can they be beaten back? So long as the academic and welfare classes stay on the public payroll, there will always be those who will protest private property and capitalist economics. But what about their growing popular support, such that 100,000 people showed up to protest in Genoa?

Return to the Bolshevik parallel. What if the Tsar had ended the draft, pulled out the troops, stopped the war, and restored normalcy? He would have strangled the Communist movement by eliminating its whole political basis of support. The Russian people would have been spared seven and a half decades of Hell on earth, and 40 million corpses.

So it is with the new Communists. If we fear them, there is only one path to victory over them: the US military empire. Withdraw the troops. Dismantle the nuclear weapons. Scrap plans to build a provocative shield. Repeal sanctions against Iraq, Cuba, and other nations on the bad guy list. Withdraw from international agencies and mind our own business, while trading with the world.

This is not "caving in" to the demands of the protestors. It is simply doing what is right, and thereby denying them a just pretext for their political activities. To be sure, these actions would not stop the fanatic ideologues behind the antiglobalism movement, and it won’t stop would-be central planners in international agencies from conspiring. But it would take away whatever popular basis of support they enjoy.

To do this now is more important than any of the elites presently know or understand. The New Bolsheviks, already entrenched in academia and NGOs, are a growing force in world politics. Civilization is fragile, and if the protestors get their way, we will find out just how fragile.

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Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr., is president of the Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama, and editor of http://www.LewRockwell.com, where a version of this article originally appeared. Send him mail and see his Daily Article archive and Free Market archive.
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#576680 --- 05/14/07 05:26 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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The October League organized the founding congress of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) in 1977. During this period a few other new communist movement organizations also formed new communist party.

Unlike the majority of NCM groups, the Dodge Revolutionary Union Movement (DRUM) (later the Detroit Revolutionary Union Movement) was formed by factory workers rather than student activists. The AFL-CIO leadership supported the Vietnam War and sought to avoid strikes, but union workers saw through this and independently organized a series of wildcat strikes. Radical Marxist and other African-American auto workers subsequently formed DRUM. For a few years DRUM acted as a dual union, with black leadership, within the United Auto Workers.

The New Communist Movement as a whole became smaller in the 1980s. Some organizations dissolved in the early 1980s, such as the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist). The Revolutionary Communist Party USA remains as an original product of the New Left. The Revolutionary Workers Headquarters and Proletarian Unity League joined forces to form the Freedom Road Socialist Organization in 1985, and various other new communist movement collectives and organizations later merged into FRSO. Subsequently, in 1999, FRSO split into two organizations, both of which continue to use the name Freedom Road Socialist Organization.

In 2003 Max Elbaum (a former member of the non-NCM group Line of March) published Revolution in the Air, a history of the New Communist Movement.


[edit] See also
Revolutionary Youth Movement
Anti-Revisionism
Communism
Guardian (US)
Leninism
Maoism
Bob Avakian
New Left
Stalinism
Vietnam War
Harry Haywood
Left Refoundation

[edit] Predecessors
Provisional Organizing Committee for a Communist Party
Bay Area Revolutionary Union
Black Panther Party - source of inspiration
Dodge Revolutionary Union Movement
Revolutionary Youth Movement II
Students for a Democratic Society

[edit] NCM Organizations of the 1970s and 1980s
Committee for a Proletarian Party
Communist Labor Party
Communist Organization, Bay Area
Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist)
Communist Workers Party
Georgia Communist League
League of Revolutionary Struggle
Line of March
Marxist-Leninist Party, USA
October League
Organization for Revolutionary Unity
Proletarian Unity League
Revolutionary Union
Revolutionary Workers Headquarters
Revolutionary Workers Organization
Sojourner Truth Organization

[edit] Current Organizations Descended
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#576681 --- 05/14/07 05:27 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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Freedom Road Socialist Organization: An Introduction
To understand what the Freedom Road Socialist Organization is all about, our organization’s name provides a useful starting point. Let’s break it down.

Freedom
What we want
For as far back as the historical record goes, human society has been propelled forward by the struggle for freedom. From the slave rebellions of ancient Rome to the peasant uprisings that slashed through China’s history, from the African resistance to the slave trade to the anti-colonial struggles that rocked the globe for the last two centuries, people have always resisted grinding exploitation and brutal oppression.

Today the rich and powerful, the tiny handful who squat atop our social pyramid like huge jeweled toads, try to claim the banner of freedom for themselves. They use this mighty word to sell everything from convertibles to panty liners. And when they do, they reveal what they think freedom means. For them, the rulers, freedom means the freedom to structure everything in society to serve their own interests. Meanwhile, for the great working class majority, the freedom preached by the rich means only the freedom to choose between a rock and a hard place, between selling our labor to them to enrich them further and starving to death.

But we have a different vision of freedom. The great majority of the globe’s women and men want freedom from misery, from exploitation, from the jackboots of the state, from living our whole lives in alienation and insecurity. And more, we want freedom to become fully human, to develop all our gifts and abilities. And millions of us sense that this cannot be done by each of us as individuals, but only by the pooling of our collective strength and wisdom.

Road
How we get there
The long history of people struggling for freedom shows us a lot about the path we have to travel. It is always a struggle because there are always those who run and benefit from the existing order and who have no interest whatsoever in giving up their power and privilege. We stand in internationalist solidarity with all those women and men the world around who are waging this battle under their own conditions, and often waging it against the same ruling class we are fighting, for the rulers of the US are the dominant power in the world today.

We look for inspiration and lessons to key recent episodes in this long struggle for freedom. The Paris Commune of 1871 showed that the wretched of the earth could storm heaven, seize power and reorganize society. The Russian revolution showed that the new society could be defended and built in the face of everything the old order could throw against it. The Cultural Revolution in China showed that only the masses of people can keep a new elite from taking over the government and seizing the fruits of the revolution, as had happened in the Soviet Union. Each of these heroic efforts to push forward into the realm of freedom eventually wound up in a swamp or a box canyon, but not before our road had been blazed far into new and uncharted terrain.

There is also much to learn from the countless fighters who have helped scout the terrain ahead on which the road will be built. These include not just Karl Marx and V.I. Lenin and Mao Zedong, but Malcolm X, Ella Baker, Amilcar Cabral, Antonio Gramsci, Assata Shakur, Franz Fanon and many, many more.

And in the end, of course, we can only bring the road into being by the hard work of building it.

Freedom Road
The path in the US
These two words, linked together, have a special meaning. That meaning deals with the central feature of how this country became what it is—the enslavement and continued exploitation and oppression of the African American nation and other oppressed peoples like the First Nations (Native Americans) and the Chicano nation, whose homeland, Aztlán, is in the Southwest, as well as Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, and other people of color. In slavery days, Freedom Road referred to the Underground Railroad. The words became the refrain of the marching song of the Black troops in the Civil War who dealt a decisive blow to the power of the Southern slaveocracy, a great stride forward on history’s path.

Today, the oppression of minority nationalities remains central to the capitalist system in this country. Today, the road to freedom means that those communities must have the right to determine their own destinies. More, because of this, the central feature of the road to freedom in the United States is the alliance of the people’s movements in different communities of color with the movement of the vast working class, made up of laboring people of all nationalities.

Socialist
The society we will build
Freedom is not a thing that can be won for a few. If any are in chains, no one is truly free. Nor can freedom be given as a gift. It must be taken by the many because only in doing so can we learn to use and expand it.

The rich hate the thought of socialism so much that they call socialist any reform in the system that cuts into their wealth in the slightest—from public education and the graduated income tax in the old days, to environmental regulations and a national health care system today. Such reforms, however needed they might be, are not socialism.

Real freedom will require the destruction, by any means necessary, of the whole current social order based on the rights of the wealthy to keep everything they have and constantly grab for more.

Real freedom, socialism, will mean turning that system over, or, more accurately, standing things right side up. It will mean organizing society and the economy on a totally different basis, where the wealth created by the labor of the many goes to serve the people and not to enrich a tiny handful of parasites. It will mean that education, health care, jobs, an unpoisoned environment, will all be rights, and that people will have the opportunity and resources they need to develop their potential as human beings and to increase their contributions to the wellbeing of all.

The working people will rule and the old exploiters (and newer wannabes) will be held down. So will those, like white supremacists, who seek to poison and divide the people. True democracy is not choosing between two rich white guys once every four years, it is the masses of people learning to become the masters of society.

The wealth of society, produced by the labor of millions, will go to benefit the many, not to fatten the few. Because the highest law of giant capitalist corporations is "expand or die," enormous waste, suffering and environmental destruction are built into the system we live under. In place of this dog-eat-dog madness, we need cooperation, collectivity and planning.

Socialism is society ruled by the working class, and the first step in a transition to a world without classes. The plain fact is, we, the working class of people, make all of society run, each and every day. Why shouldn’t we run all of society?

Organization
The key tool
The only way that working people have ever won anything is by organizing and fighting. In our neighborhoods in community organizations, in our workplaces in unions, wherever there is a need to fight, people build organizations. As the great labor anthem "Solidarity Forever" says,

What force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?
But the union makes us strong.

This is where you will find members of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. We are involved in and build a wide range of organizations in many aspects of the people’s struggles. We are in immigrant workers’ centers and labor unions and rank and file caucuses. We are in organizations in oppressed communities, like the Black Radical Congress. We are in student groups, in teacher and parent organizations. We are in international solidarity groups, and many more.

Socialist organization
FRSO
Again, these are words that have a special meaning when linked together. The various organizations mentioned above aim to defend the rights and living standards of working people and other sections of the population. They are invaluable, but they are not enough.

In the final analysis, we need organization dedicated to building all of those struggles and welding them together into a revolutionary movement which smashes the whole capitalist system and builds a new world on the ashes of the old. Such an organization needs to be disciplined. It needs to be able to call on its members for ideas and summation of the struggle, for sacrifice in building the people’s movements, and for courage in fighting the enemy.

Such an organization must also be large enough to unite thousands and tens of thousands and eventually millions of us into a mighty revolutionary force, a revolutionary party that can shatter the foundations of this corrupt, racist system.

We have no illusions that Freedom Road will on its own become such an organization, but one of our principal tasks is to help bring such a force into being when the conditions for it grow ripe. In the meantime, we will seek to strengthen our members, to train and recruit new fighters and always to continue to build the many struggles which defend the ground the people have gained in earlier battles. We will always work to unite with other revolutionary forces. And we will always fight to push the road to freedom a little further into the new territory that lies ahead.
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#576683 --- 05/14/07 05:31 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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#576685 --- 05/14/07 05:35 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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#576686 --- 05/14/07 05:36 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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Yeaaaaaaaaaa Commies are all gone...HAHAHAHA
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#576690 --- 05/14/07 05:41 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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Uh, well put.
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#576691 --- 05/14/07 05:45 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: past tense]
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I thought it was.
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#576693 --- 05/14/07 05:48 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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Yes. Thank god you are here to warn us about the dangers of communism..."via" environmentalism. hahahahahahaha

What's next? Solar panel lines? LOLOLOL


Edited by past tense (05/14/07 05:49 PM)
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#576703 --- 05/14/07 06:23 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: past tense]
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So you like Communism?
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#576711 --- 05/14/07 06:32 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Sausage]
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Geez, Sausage-obsessed much? Don't forget China's most favored nation status and the boxcars full of money we owe them-somebody in our government seems to like them commies and their money.

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#576748 --- 05/14/07 07:34 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: greenelf]
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He's not talking about ACTUAL communism. He just yells COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE to liberals because somehow one means the other in his tiny, old, little brain.
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#576811 --- 05/14/07 10:40 PM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: past tense]
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commie chameleon...Boy George, right?

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#576926 --- 05/15/07 04:28 AM Re: Not So Soon again? [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
I thought I was being funny talking about abstinence trainig replacing real sex education.


You're funny, period. Very funny. Stop trying to hijack every thread with your gay pervo grandstanding.
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