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#573923 --- 05/08/07 03:32 PM Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers
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Updated:2007-05-08 10:52:01
Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers
'Islamic Radicals' Allegedly Targeted Fort Dix
By WAYNE PARRY
AP
FORT DIX, N.J. (May 8) -- Six men described by federal prosecutors as "Islamic militants" were arrested on charges they plotted to attack the Fort Dix Army base and "kill as many soldiers as possible," authorities said Tuesday.



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The six were scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in Camden later Tuesday to face charges of conspiracy to kill U.S. servicemen, said Michael Drewniak, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey.

Officials said four of the men were born in the former Yugoslavia, one in Jordan and one in Turkey. Five of them lived in Cherry Hill, 10 miles east of Philadelphia and 20 miles southwest of Fort Dix, Drewniak said.

"They were planning an attack on Fort Dix in which they would kill as many soldiers as possible," Drewniak said.

A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because documents in the case remain sealed, said the attack was stopped in the planning stages.

Authorities believe the men trained in the Poconos for the attack and also conducted surveillance at other area military institutions, including Fort Monmouth, the official said. The official said that the men had lived in the United States for some time.

The six were arrested trying to buy automatic weapons in a sale set-up by law enforcement authorities, the official said.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said there is "no direct evidence" that the men arrested in the Fort Dix plot have ties to international terrorism .

"They are not charged with being members of an international terrorism organization," Snow said. "At least at this point, there is no evidence that they received direction from international terror organizations. However, their involvement in weapons training, operational surveillance and discussions about killing American military personnel warranted a strong law enforcement response."


Asked if those arrested had any ties to al-Qaida, Snow referred questions to the FBI and the U.S. attorney, but said those officials "seem to indicate that there is no direct evidence of a foreign terrorist tie."

Jerri Williams, spokeswoman for the FBI in Philadelphia, said U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie and J.P. Weis, special agent in charge of the FBI in Philadelphia, would release more information at a news conference later Tuesday.

Fort Dix is used to train soldiers, particularly reservists. In 1999, it sheltered more than 4,000 ethnic Albanian refugees during the NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia.

After that war, refugees were allowed to return to the U.N.-run province of Kosovo in Serbia or to seek permanent residency in the United States. The U.N. Security Council is considering whether to approve a plan to grant Kosovo independence from Serbia under the supervision of the European Union and the United States.

Jeff Sagnip, a spokesman for U.S. Rep. James Saxton, who represents Fort Dix, said the base, along with adjacent McGuire Air Force Base, has been put on its highest security alert level.

He said Fort Dix typically has 15,000 people, including 3,000 soldiers; McGuire, which is adjacent to Fort Dix, has about 11,500 people.

Soldiers at Fort Dix have been training for warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan , Sagnip said.

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the once-open Fort Dix has been closed to the public. There are heavily armed guards at entrances, along with X-ray machines and concrete barriers to make it impossible for vehicles to rush the entrances.

But the main road through neighboring Cookstown cuts through the base and is accessible to the public. A half-dozen locations on the base, including at least two where soldiers were conducting maneuvers Tuesday morning, were only a few hundred yards off the main road and accessible to anyone.

The description of the suspects as "Islamic militants" was causing renewed worry among New Jersey's Muslim community. Hundreds of Muslim men from New Jersey were rounded up and detained by authorities in the months following the Sept. 11 attacks, but none was connected to that plot.

"If these people did something, then they deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law," said Sohail Mohammed, a lawyer who represented scores of detainees after the 2001 attacks. "But when the government says 'Islamic militants,' it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.

"Don't equate actions with religion," he said.

Associated Press Writers Matt Apuzzo in Washington, Geoff Mulvihill in Mount Laurel, Tom Hester Jr. in Trenton and Jeffrey Gold in Newark contributed to this story.


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#573977 --- 05/08/07 05:21 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Back in early American history, we built Forts that were surrounded by fortifications. then sometime in the 20th century, they decided that towns should surround forts and Naval bases and so on. We were secure back then to obvious intrusion, forget about espionage..

Now with the way the old forts and bases are designed from long ago, the neccessity seems to move again toward fortification, but I suspect that a balk at that would occur because of the supposed sense of security everyone thinks we have.

I didnt see any responses from RBSer so.. my guess is that he was sad that these guys failed... (sarcasm)

All in all, it looks like Homeland Security is working.. we are still safe since 9/11, and this proves it beyond a resonable doubt. Hands down.
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#574148 --- 05/09/07 12:26 AM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Sausage]
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I see RBser ignored this post. LOL Doesn't anybody know why. Sure ya do. ;-)





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#574204 --- 05/09/07 02:27 AM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: SkySoldier]
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I am sure he is just sooooo busy conferring with his "Generals" on the matter....General Jack Daniels and General Jim Beam, I am sure you have heard of them. ;\)

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#574235 --- 05/09/07 04:30 AM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! General RBSer is in deep consultation.
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#574356 --- 05/09/07 12:21 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: AbuDhabi]
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! General RBSer is in deep consultation.



yer spellin is atroshus!!!!!

It's C-O-N-S-T-I-P-A-T-I-O-N

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#574362 --- 05/09/07 12:36 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: ]
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Well now apparently, according to RS and his Generals, it was all the FBI's fault!:

Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Loc: Herkimer County NY You take every story that is anti-military and run with it, yet you will not comment on how soldiers in training in Ft Dix were targets for terrorists right here in the US. Not one word.

These are you supposedly fellow soldiers who were to be killed, not one word said about it. Not one.

You are despicable.
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#574336 - 36 minutes 0 seconds ago Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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What is there to say about it? If this is the threat we are fighting in Iraq to prevent we should have stayed home.
They were a bunch of idiots that were lead on by the FBI.... (end of quote)



Story Highlights• Six men arrested as two attempted to buy guns Monday
• Men laughed as they watched videos of attacks on Americans, official says
• Those arrested are "Islamic radicals," U.S. attorney's office says
• Sources say men were planning to shoot soldiers at Army base

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The federal government has charged five alleged Islamic radicals with plotting to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey.

A sixth was charged with aiding and abetting the illegal possession of firearms by three of the others.

"The philosophy that supports and encourages jihad around the world against Americans came to live here in New Jersey and threaten the lives of our citizens through these defendants," New Jersey U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said at a news conference Tuesday. (Watch how the suspects' trip to a video store led to the arrest )

The men were arrested Monday night and heard the charges against them Tuesday in federal court. They will be held without bond pending a hearing Friday, according to Michael Drewniak, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey.

Christie described Tuesday how the group's plot -- which he said had been in the works since January 2006 -- was foiled.

The case began to take shape in January 2006, when an employee of a store told the FBI someone had brought a "disturbing" video to be duplicated, Christie said.

The video "depicted 10 young men who appeared to be in their early 20s shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar,' " (Arabic for "God is Great"), according to an FBI affidavit filed with the criminal complaints.

The FBI and Joint Terrorism Task Force began an investigation immediately, Christie said.


"Through the amazing efforts of these law enforcement officers, we were able to infiltrate cooperating witnesses into this terrorist cell," Christie said.

Two paid informants infiltrated the group, one in March 2006 and the other in July. Both of them "consensually recorded" meetings and conversations, according to the affidavit, filed by Special Agent John J. Ryan.

One quote from the alleged recordings was defendant Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer saying, "My intent is to hit a heavy concentration of soldiers. ... This is exactly what we are looking for. You hit four, five or six Humvees and light the whole place [up] and retreat completely without any losses."

One of the informants claimed to have connections with an arms dealer who could sell the alleged conspirators AK-47 automatic machine guns and other weapons, according to the affidavit. Both took part in firearms training with the group, the affidavit said.

Men had collection of disturbing videos
Officials said the group had a collection of jihadist videos, including video of the last will and testament of two of the 19 hijackers from the September 11, 2001, attacks and video of Osama bin Laden calling Muslims to jihad.

The men also showed videos to each other of killings of U.S. military personnel around the world, officials said.

"They watched the blowing off of the arm of a United States Marine, and the room burst out into laughter," Christie said. (Watch Christie describe the alleged would-be terrorists )

The men are believed to have been "inspired" by international terrorist groups, but not directly linked to a specific organization, he said.

He said defendant Shain Duka was heard on tape saying, "We can do a lot of damage with seven people. We can do big things."

A law enforcement source told CNN the group played paintball and test fired weapons as part of their training.

"These guys were clearly committed to the task they had set before them," Fran Townsend, the White House's homeland security adviser, told CNN.

Their goal was to figure out how to kill as many American soldiers as possible, Christie said.

The men had surveyed a number of bases but settled on Fort Dix because one of the defendants said he knew the base "like the back of his hand" because he had delivered pizza there, Christie said. (About Fort Dix)

"They were at the point where they wanted to obtain the automatic weapons that would be the final piece in their plan... to create carnage at Fort Dix," Christie said.

"I think it could have been a disaster," he said. "These people were ready for martyrdom."

Men arrested trying to buy weapons
"Today we dodged a bullet. In fact, when you look at the types of weapons this group was trying to purchase, we may have dodged a lot of bullets," Special Agent Jody Weis said.

The six -- three of them brothers -- were arrested Monday night "as two of the defendants were meeting a confidential government witness to purchase three AK-47 automatic machine guns, and four semi-automatic M-16s to be used in an attack they had been planning from at least January 2006," according to a news release from the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Six complaints were filed Tuesday, each naming one of the six as defendant.

The U.S. Attorney's Office said the three brothers involved, all with the last name Duka, were born in the former Yugoslavia and are illegally residing in the United States. It identified them as Eljvir, 23, Shain, 26, and Dritan, 28, and said the three operate businesses known as Qadr Inc., Colonial Roofing and National Roofing.

The other three men charged are Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 22, of Cherry Hill, New Jersey, a U.S. citizen born in Jordan who is employed as a taxicab driver in Philadelphia; Serdar Tatar, 23, of Philadelphia, born in Turkey, whose last known employment was at a 7-Eleven; and Agron Abdullahu, 24, of Buena Vista Township, born in the former Yugoslavia and employed at a Shop-Rite Supermarket.

Abdullahu is charged only with aiding and abetting the Duka brothers' illegal possession of weapons, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in federal prison, the attorney's office said.

The complaint said the group conducted firearms training in Gouldsboro, Pennsylvania, in the Pocono Mountains. It also said Shnewer conducted surveillance at several U.S. military sites: Fort Dix and Fort Monmouth in New Jersey, Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, and the U.S. Coast Guard building in Philadelphia.

It said Tatar acquired a map of Fort Dix and distributed it to others.

Christie: We have caught the core of this plot
While authorities are glad to have arrested them, the individuals are "hardly hard-core terrorists," one law enforcement source said.

Another source said that while the allegations are "troubling," they are "not the type that made the hair on the back of your neck stand up."

"We believe we have caught the absolute sole and core of this plot," Christie said.

Fort Dix is used to train members of the Army Reserve and National Guard for missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world.

It was used in 1999 to house ethnic Albanian refugees from Kosovo, according to the Defense Department Web site.

CNN's Kevin Bohn and Kelli Arena contributed to this report.



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#574370 --- 05/09/07 12:48 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Gads! And to think that all this time I could have been consulting with General Jack Daniels!
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#574408 --- 05/09/07 01:55 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Sausage]
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I wonder why liberals would be reticent to comment on these forums while others, such as japh, would be inclined to leave altogether. You are all acting like a pack of schoolyard bullies. You're adults. Try acting like it.

I also wonder what measures were used to uncover this plot and stop the suspects. Did we get the info by searching or wiretapping without warrants? Waterboarding? Or was it just good old fashioned pre-PATRIOT Act style investigating? Get back to me on that, I'd honestly like to know.

Also, does this plot not put the lie to the argument of how "we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here"? We are fighting them there, but that didn't seem to stop them from getting here too.
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#574410 --- 05/09/07 02:00 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Reinhart Faust]
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Originally Posted By: Reinhart Faust
I wonder why liberals would be reticent to comment on these forums while others, such as japh, would be inclined to leave altogether. You are all acting like a pack of schoolyard bullies. You're adults. Try acting like it.

I also wonder what measures were used to uncover this plot and stop the suspects. Did we get the info by searching or wiretapping without warrants? Waterboarding? Or was it just good old fashioned pre-PATRIOT Act style investigating? Get back to me on that, I'd honestly like to know.

Also, does this plot not put the lie to the argument of how "we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here"? We are fighting them there, but that didn't seem to stop them from getting here too.


From the above article I posted and bolded this part:

The case began to take shape in January 2006, when an employee of a store told the FBI someone had brought a "disturbing" video to be duplicated, Christie said.

The video "depicted 10 young men who appeared to be in their early 20s shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar,' " (Arabic for "God is Great"), according to an FBI affidavit filed with the criminal complaints.

The FBI and Joint Terrorism Task Force began an investigation immediately, Christie said.


Also, you say we are "bullies" and not "adults"? What do you call a man who would mock the wounds of a VN vet? Which is just what RS has done to Sky over and over. If he does not want crap coming back on him, he should not be throwing it out there. Just check out the "Reality of Iraq" thread in the debates. RS is no little boy being ganged up on on the playground. He stepped into the arena willing to spar.

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#574413 --- 05/09/07 02:02 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Reinhart Faust]
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RF, According to the morning news reports a store clerk saw a video of these losers and informed authorities.

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#574414 --- 05/09/07 02:02 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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"I wonder why liberals would be reticent to comment on these forums while others, such as japh, would be inclined to leave altogether. You are all acting like a pack of schoolyard bullies. You're adults. Try acting like it."


BWAHHHHHHHHHH thats the best thing I read all week.

Just when I am in the depths of dispair, a project is not going well, you raise me up to the apex of joy with this observation.

The IRONY is brilliant.


Thanks RF.
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#574415 --- 05/09/07 02:03 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: BraveHeart]
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#574416 --- 05/09/07 02:06 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Jelloshot]
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It will be interesting to see if some "JUDGE" want to throw this out because their rights were violated.
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#574422 --- 05/09/07 02:11 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam

Also, you say we are "bullies" and not "adults"? What do you call a man who would mock the wounds of a VN vet? Which is just what RS has done to Sky over and over. If he does not want crap coming back on him, he should not be throwing it out there. Just check out the "Reality of Iraq" thread in the debates. RS is no little boy being ganged up on on the playground. He stepped into the arena willing to spar.



Ah, so two wrongs do make a right. Good to know.
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#574428 --- 05/09/07 02:16 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Reinhart Faust]
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Originally Posted By: Reinhart Faust
Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam

Also, you say we are "bullies" and not "adults"? What do you call a man who would mock the wounds of a VN vet? Which is just what RS has done to Sky over and over. If he does not want crap coming back on him, he should not be throwing it out there. Just check out the "Reality of Iraq" thread in the debates. RS is no little boy being ganged up on on the playground. He stepped into the arena willing to spar.



Ah, so two wrongs do make a right. Good to know.


I have taken the high road with RS long enough. If he is not attacking Sky for his service, he is denouncing me as a mother of a US Army soldier and beckoning the day my son is wounded or worse in Iraq. No, I will not back down and take the high road anymore with him. You can defend what he says or try to make it out that "two wrongs do not make it right", but you will not get me to back off him on these forums. You direct your comment to "non liberals", but this goes much deeper than politics to me.

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#574433 --- 05/09/07 02:18 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: BraveHeart]
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Originally Posted By: BraveHeart
It will be interesting to see if some "JUDGE" want to throw this out because their rights were violated.


It doesn't appear their rights were violated. A private citizen saw something fishy, he tipped off the authorities, the authorities had enough evidence to use proper channels of investigation, they quashed the plot and brought the conspirators in. It looks like they got the job done without resorting to PATRIOT Act rights violations. I have yet to hear of any legitimate terror plot being thwarted which could not have been thwarted without the use of warrantless searches and wiretaps. And I have yet to hear of anthing constructive being accomplished with information extracted through waterboarding or any other means of interrogation that the government refuses to call torture.
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#574438 --- 05/09/07 02:25 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam
Originally Posted By: Reinhart Faust
Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam

Also, you say we are "bullies" and not "adults"? What do you call a man who would mock the wounds of a VN vet? Which is just what RS has done to Sky over and over. If he does not want crap coming back on him, he should not be throwing it out there. Just check out the "Reality of Iraq" thread in the debates. RS is no little boy being ganged up on on the playground. He stepped into the arena willing to spar.



Ah, so two wrongs do make a right. Good to know.


I have taken the high road with RS long enough. If he is not attacking Sky for his service, he is denouncing me as a mother of a US Army soldier and beckoning the day my son is wounded or worse in Iraq. No, I will not back down and take the high road anymore with him. You can defend what he says or try to make it out that "two wrongs do not make it right", but you will not get me to back off him on these forums. You direct your comment to "non liberals", but this goes much deeper than politics to me.


You are exactly right SJ. This is beyond politics, and with his viewpoint, it goes to the very core of our exsistance as Americans. The threat of our soldiers, sailors and airmen losing their lives along with civilians, in plots to take over our country is too great to not sit idly by and disdain with words of rhetoric.
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#574440 --- 05/09/07 02:25 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Reinhart Faust]
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From the 1st article I posted, people are already upset by them being called "ISLAMIC MILITANTS":


"The description of the suspects as "Islamic militants" was causing renewed worry among New Jersey's Muslim community. Hundreds of Muslim men from New Jersey were rounded up and detained by authorities in the months following the Sept. 11 attacks, but none was connected to that plot.

"If these people did something, then they deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law," said Sohail Mohammed, a lawyer who represented scores of detainees after the 2001 attacks. "But when the government says 'Islamic militants,' it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.

"Don't equate actions with religion," he said."

This is a sign of something brewing to say they were "profiled" (I hope not, but I can see where they may try to use it as a defense)

But, from the wideotape mentioned in the 2nd article I posted:

"The video "depicted 10 young men who appeared to be in their early 20s shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar,' " (Arabic for "God is Great"), according to an FBI affidavit filed with the criminal complaints."

They were militants of Islamic background, but we cannot call them "Islamic Militants"?

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#574446 --- 05/09/07 02:31 PM Re: Six Accused of Plotting to Kill Soldiers [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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P.C. used to hide the truth. A spade is a spade... a rag head terrorist is dead im my book.
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