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#572531 --- 05/05/07 01:12 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: ]
VM Smith Offline
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Great. Now she's taught her 7-yr-old that breasts are gross.
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#572539 --- 05/05/07 01:35 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: past tense]
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Breasts are for breast feeding (and to make a shirt look nice.)
I "firmly" believe that all women should breast feed their babies..it's what they're for!
Women are influenced by their Moms in this decision often times;
My Mother and older sister thought it barbaric to breast feed..I disagreed..to each his/her own.

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#572568 --- 05/05/07 02:42 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: MorganHills]
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Um, ok - the thought of breast feeding absolutely repulses me, but I still think it's ridiculous to make women feel ashamed of their bodies by deeming an illustrated breast too racy for people to handle.
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#572572 --- 05/05/07 02:49 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: past tense]
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yikes how the heck could it REPULSE you? that is strong language.
if you haven't had a baby\ yet..you may feel differently when/if a kidlet is in the womb.. all things change when one is your own flesh and blood

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#572583 --- 05/05/07 05:02 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: MorganHills]
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Yeah, PT, just wait:

"The hormone best known for its role in inducing labor may influence our ability to bond with others, according to researchers at the University of California, San Francisco.

In a preliminary study, the hormone oxytocin was shown to be associated with the ability to maintain healthy interpersonal relationships and healthy psychological boundaries with other people. The study appears in the July issue of Psychiatry.

"This is one of the first looks into the biological basis for human attachment and bonding," said Rebecca Turner, PhD, UCSF adjunct assistant professor of psychiatry and lead author of the study. "Our study indicates that oxytocin may be mediating emotional experiences in close relationships."

The study builds upon previous knowledge of the important role oxytocin plays in the reproductive life of mammals. The hormone facilitates nest building and pup retrieval in rats, acceptance of offspring in sheep, and the formation of adult pair-bonds in prairie voles. In humans, oxytocin stimulates milk ejection during lactation, uterine contraction during birth, and is released during sexual orgasm in both men and women.

Turner and her colleagues tested the idea that oxytocin is released in response to intense emotional states in addition to physical cues. Twenty-six non-lactating women between the ages of 23 and 35 were asked to recall and re-experience a past relationship event that caused them to feel a positive emotion, such as love or infatuation, and a negative emotion, such as loss or abandonment. Because massage done on rats had previously been shown to influence oxytocin levels, the participants also received a 15-minute Swedish massage of the neck and shoulders. Blood samples were taken before, during, and after each of the three events to measure baseline oxytocin levels in the bloodstream and any change.

The results, on average, were of borderline significance - relaxation massage caused oxytocin levels to rise slightly and recollection of a negative emotion caused oxytocin levels to fall slightly. Recollection of a positive emotion, on average, had no effect.

What surprised the researchers, however, was how differently each woman responded. Some participants showed substantial increases and decreases while others were largely unaffected.

"We decided to look at the interpersonal characteristics of individual women to see if there was a correlation with changes in their oxytocin levels," said Turner, who is also the director of Student Research at the California School of Professional Psychology, Alameda campus. "We found a significant difference between women who reported distress and anxiety in their relationships and women who were more secure in their relationships."

Different questionnaires, including the Inventory of Interpersonal Problems and the Adult Attachment Scale, were used to assess each woman's previous experiences with personal and close relationships. The results were significantly correlated with the recorded changes in bloodstream oxytocin levels.

Women whose oxytocin levels rose in response to massage and remembering a positive relationship reported having little difficulty setting appropriate boundaries, being alone, and trying too hard to please others. Women whose oxytocin levels fell in response to remembering a negative emotional relationship reported greater problems with experiencing anxiety in close relationships.

"It seems that having this hormone "available" during positive experiences, and not being depleted of it during negative experiences, is associated with well-being in relationships," said Turner.

In addition, women who were currently involved in a committed relationship experienced greater oxytocin increases in response to positive emotions than single women. The researchers speculate that a close, regular relationship may influence the responsiveness of the hormone, said Turner.

These preliminary findings bring up some intriguing questions, said Teresa McGuinness, MD, PhD, UCSF clinical psychiatry faculty member and co-author of the paper. Because oxytocin is released in men and women during sexual orgasm, it may be involved in adult bonding, said Turner. There is also speculation that in addition to facilitating lactation and the birthing process, the hormone facilitates the emotional bond between mother and child.

"Evolutionarily speaking, it makes sense that during pregnancy and the postpartum, both a woman's body and her mind would be stimulated to nurture her child," said Turner.

Oxytocin may also play a role in the higher levels of depression and interpersonal stress seen in women, said Turner. According to most psychiatrists, women experience depression twice as often as men and tend to be more affected by relationship difficulties. Turner and her colleagues hope that their work on oxytocin will guide future research on the psychiatric conditions of men and women.

"Our results provide the groundwork for further studies looking at the way hormones may be affecting human attachment," said Turner. "We know that oxytocin is one of the hormones that can facilitate bonding in other animals, but this is the first step in exploring whether it plays a role in the emotional behavior of humans."

In addition to Turner and McGuinness, authors of the paper include Margaret Altemus, MD, assistant professor of psychiatry at Cornell University Medical College; Teresa Enos, PhD, a graduate of the California School of Professional Psychology; and Bruce Cooper, PhD, professor at the California School of Professional Psychology."
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#572625 --- 05/05/07 11:16 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: VM Smith]
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Oh Stop!

Breasts are for good clean fun!

Stop making a mockery of my obsession please.
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#572693 --- 05/05/07 03:44 PM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: MorganHills]
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Originally Posted By: MorganHills
yikes how the heck could it REPULSE you? that is strong language.
if you haven't had a baby\ yet..you may feel differently when/if a kidlet is in the womb.. all things change when one is your own flesh and blood


What? It repulses me. Sorry. I used "repulse" because, strong or not, it's the best word to describe how I feel when I try to imagine myself doing it. b.l.e.c.h.

Blah blah blah babies. I get it. Be all, end all of your existence, yadda yadda yadda. That might seem strong, too, but I also kind of resent the implication - not just from you but from every other person on the planet - that if you don't desire children, or if breast feeding doesn't appeal to you, that you are somehow defective. At 30 it's gotten a little old for me...

But you are right about one thing - the breast is about motherhood and feeding. It's completely natural and normal - it's a freaking lump of flesh and fat and veins and milk ducts. We should be SO ashamed of them!


Edited by past tense (05/05/07 04:01 PM)
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#572694 --- 05/05/07 03:45 PM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: Eomer]
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Obsessions 'r Us, man.
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#572769 --- 05/05/07 05:44 PM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: VM Smith]
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Nature is so wonderful.......
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#572833 --- 05/06/07 12:11 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: Eomer]
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#572838 --- 05/06/07 12:24 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
Originally Posted By: MorganHills
yikes how the heck could it REPULSE you? that is strong language.
if you haven't had a baby\ yet..you may feel differently when/if a kidlet is in the womb.. all things change when one is your own flesh and blood


What? It repulses me. Sorry. I used "repulse" because, strong or not, it's the best word to describe how I feel when I try to imagine myself doing it. b.l.e.c.h.

Blah blah blah babies. I get it. Be all, end all of your existence, yadda yadda yadda. That might seem strong, too, but I also kind of resent the implication - not just from you but from every other person on the planet - that if you don't desire children, or if breast feeding doesn't appeal to you, that you are somehow defective. At 30 it's gotten a little old for me...

But you are right about one thing - the breast is about motherhood and feeding. It's completely natural and normal - it's a freaking lump of flesh and fat and veins and milk ducts. We should be SO ashamed of them!


I am wearing turtlenecks from now on.

Seriously though, the idea of breastfeeding being repulsive is not new. That is why long before formula was invented their were wet nurses. They breastfed for women who did not want to breastfeed for one reason or another, some repulsed by the idea or it was "beneath" them. Or, they simply were not producing enough breast milk/healthy breast milk. When I had my first son, my then landlady said I was "so lucky" to breastfeed as she had what doctor's had labeled back in the 40's as "blue milk" , it was nutricious enough for her child.

And once you get a bad case of "mastitis" (no, it doesnt just happen to cows), ya kind of forget the wonderful closeness to your baby while breastfeeding. It is why I had to stop with my youngest. He wanted a bottle as he had after surgery, was not taking the breast, and I became "engorged", which led to the mastitis. It sucks. But, I do miss the time I could hold my child and rock him to sleep while breastfeeding. But, it is a nice memory. Mothers who bottle feed have just as nice memories.

Anyhow, just wanted to let PT and MH know, PT is not alone in her feelings of not liking the idea of breastfeeding. Neither did my daughter, but she gave it a try. She was not comfortable that much with her first son, but is doing very well with the newest one. She is switching over to bottle as she will be working soon and it will make life more simpler for her.

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#572839 --- 05/06/07 12:26 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: past tense]
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It is amazing men are obsessed with veiny fleshy ductwork..and apologies if you thought I was implying that women were less than whole if they didn't reproduce or lactate. Personally, I didn't even start thinking kids were all that cute until age 32 or so ('cept my nephew when he was born when I was 18).

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#572851 --- 05/06/07 01:26 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: MorganHills]
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lol - well maybe there's hope for me in the next 24 months then... I'm a little overly sensitive to the topic though so my apologies if I jumped the gun. You really can't win in the society we live in today - the obsession over celebrity pregnancy for example - is she pregnant? are you pregnant? are you going to have kids? when? with who? how many? how long between each one? and the constant "bumpwatch" stuff? i'm just as susceptible to it as anyone else - i read celebrity baby blog, too! lol

I mean - WHAT!? And on a smaller scale I find it in my own life too - I find it very intrusive at this point to be asked about my reproductive plans because one assumes that when one is asked a question, the asker is prepared to hear a variety of answers. I have yet to answer "I don't plan on having children" without being met with shock and horror, and without having to launch into an entirely different conversation about why and with the asker foisting upon me all of the gloriousness of children and parenthood and oh but you have to-ness... and I hate that. Maybe I wouldn't if men who didn't have children or plan on having children got the same kind of treatment.

But I digress...back to boobies...
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#572853 --- 05/06/07 01:33 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: MorganHills]
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Why is it amazing that men are obsessed with breasts? No one sets out to be...it's just a part of nature. Probably an instinct where a man looks for a woman who is capable of nursing children. Much like the instinct that has some women obsessed with men with muscular builds and broad shoulders. A man who was capable of providing for her and her offspring.
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#572859 --- 05/06/07 01:42 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: Josephus]
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maybe it's like bagging a buck w/ a huge "rack"?? If a guy gets a voluptuous woman, it's a prize??

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#572866 --- 05/06/07 01:57 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
lol - well maybe there's hope for me in the next 24 months then... I'm a little overly sensitive to the topic though so my apologies if I jumped the gun. You really can't win in the society we live in today - the obsession over celebrity pregnancy for example - is she pregnant? are you pregnant? are you going to have kids? when? with who? how many? how long between each one? and the constant "bumpwatch" stuff? i'm just as susceptible to it as anyone else - i read celebrity baby blog, too! lol

I mean - WHAT!? And on a smaller scale I find it in my own life too - I find it very intrusive at this point to be asked about my reproductive plans because one assumes that when one is asked a question, the asker is prepared to hear a variety of answers. I have yet to answer "I don't plan on having children" without being met with shock and horror, and without having to launch into an entirely different conversation about why and with the asker foisting upon me all of the gloriousness of children and parenthood and oh but you have to-ness... and I hate that. Maybe I wouldn't if men who didn't have children or plan on having children got the same kind of treatment.

But I digress...back to boobies...


I like boobies....
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#572872 --- 05/06/07 02:20 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: Gio]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
lol - well maybe there's hope for me in the next 24 months then... I'm a little overly sensitive to the topic though so my apologies if I jumped the gun. You really can't win in the society we live in today - the obsession over celebrity pregnancy for example - is she pregnant? are you pregnant? are you going to have kids? when? with who? how many? how long between each one? and the constant "bumpwatch" stuff? i'm just as susceptible to it as anyone else - i read celebrity baby blog, too! lol

I mean - WHAT!? And on a smaller scale I find it in my own life too - I find it very intrusive at this point to be asked about my reproductive plans because one assumes that when one is asked a question, the asker is prepared to hear a variety of answers. I have yet to answer "I don't plan on having children" without being met with shock and horror, and without having to launch into an entirely different conversation about why and with the asker foisting upon me all of the gloriousness of children and parenthood and oh but you have to-ness... and I hate that. Maybe I wouldn't if men who didn't have children or plan on having children got the same kind of treatment.

But I digress...back to boobies...


I like boobies....
Blue Footed or otherwise?

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#572935 --- 05/06/07 06:24 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: MorganHills]
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I like tits. What's the big deal about tits?
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#572943 --- 05/06/07 08:18 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
lol - well maybe there's hope for me in the next 24 months then... I'm a little overly sensitive to the topic though so my apologies if I jumped the gun. You really can't win in the society we live in today - the obsession over celebrity pregnancy for example - is she pregnant? are you pregnant? are you going to have kids? when? with who? how many? how long between each one? and the constant "bumpwatch" stuff? i'm just as susceptible to it as anyone else - i read celebrity baby blog, too! lol

I mean - WHAT!? And on a smaller scale I find it in my own life too - I find it very intrusive at this point to be asked about my reproductive plans because one assumes that when one is asked a question, the asker is prepared to hear a variety of answers. I have yet to answer "I don't plan on having children" without being met with shock and horror, and without having to launch into an entirely different conversation about why and with the asker foisting upon me all of the gloriousness of children and parenthood and oh but you have to-ness... and I hate that. Maybe I wouldn't if men who didn't have children or plan on having children got the same kind of treatment.

But I digress...back to boobies...


Men are not mothers. I know that may be toO far reaching.
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#572944 --- 05/06/07 08:19 AM Re: Moms don't appreciate boobs billboard [Re: MorganHills]
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maybe it's like bagging a buck w/ a huge "rack"?? If a guy gets a voluptuous woman, it's a prize??


No its just terribly exciting.

WE REALLY ARE THAT SIMPLE!
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