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#724969 --- 01/05/08 08:39 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
Still trying to redeam yourself.
You were a 17 year-old juvenile delinquent high school drop out when the judge told you to enlist.
You got to Vietnam and got your first purple heart because you were sleeping on guard duty ontop of the bunker instead of being awake and alert in it.
You got your second purple heart because you panicked under fire and ran off the trail and hit a punji stake.
You get medevaced out. Got out of the hospital and assigned to the Cav and were such a piss poor soldier they barred you from reenlistment and sent your sorry ass home.
Ever since you have been trying to turn the story into something heroic, but it wasn't and isn't. Nor are you.
Just a big loser.



I will reitterate.

The only "Heroes" I know are on the Wall or buried in Arlington and quite a few National Cemetaries.


rbser, you will never understand nor grasp the reality of that fact.

I joined the army at 17, was in combat at 18, turned 19 in hospital bed awaiting medivack home.

I never slept on guard duty, lol, watch was held atop the bunkers on the burm at Tuy Hoa because THAT is where the claymore detonators were; and THAT is where each man did his two hour shift before waking the next of 4 troopers guarding that particular stretch of sand and wire.

You would wake him, he who WAS sleeping in the bunker, give him the watch that got passed man to man, then roll up in your poncho liner to get some sleep yourself.

In the spring of 1968 an rpg impacted the bunker I was sitting on. A shelter erected there had both over head cover and side cover for those who manned the fighting position atop the bunker as SOP.

On March 22cnd, 1969 while leading a "Hawk" team of 28, 173d Airborne Troopers outside of Ahn Khe, I was severely wounded in the middle of an ambush by a punji stick that broke off in my femure and tore through all but the back skin of my left thigh.

The punji stick was in a set of four set ON the trail.

I'd be a liar if I was to say I wasn't scaired, but you are trained NOT to panic. I was impaled while seeking cover from heavy automatic weapons fire coming from very close by on our right flank.

At the time of that firefight and that particular wounding, I had just a few weeks left in my year long tour of the Nam.

At 18 ... I was the "Old Man" of my platoon.

I was shipped from 18th Evac in Ahn Khe to Quin Nhon Air Force Hospital, to Cahm Rahn Bay Evac ... to Japan ... to Alaska ... all via stretcher attatched to the inside of a US Military, C 130 Hospital plane.

I spent 10 days in a quonset hut/Red Cross ward on the tarmak of Dulles Air Force base just outside of DC; where a Red Cross nurse came in and plugged a phone into the jack next to each of our beds; and we got to call Mom and Dad for ten minutes each; to tell them we were alive and back on American Soil.

After ten days there I was flown out, again on a stretcher strapped to the inside of a C 130 and sent to Fort Devons Army Hospital;
where I was put on a heavy regimen of antibiotics and had larger stents inserted in my leg for drainage in an attempt to save my left leg and butt that was full of gaseous gangrene.

I kept my leg ... and my honor.

I was chosen, along with fellow Sky Soldier and Hill 875 survivor Mike Hammer, to carry Command Sgt Major Proffit's 173d Abn Banner at the head of Rochester Minnesota's "WELCOME HOME" parade held in 1995 in that city;
a parade that was lead by General Westmorland, whom I had the HONOR of escorting into Rochester Minnesota's VFW that afternoon.

General Cunningham, of Seattle, Washington, USA; who Commanded the 173d Airborne Brigade during two tours of our deployment to Vietnam, introduced me to his wife as "Dewey"; the name of the protagonist in my book on the HERD.

I look forward to greeting he and his wife at each reunion I attend of the 173d Airborne Brigade (SEP)

My commanding officer, Captian Wilson, commander of Alpha company, 4th battalion from July of 1968 to February of 1969, was and still is, one of my best friends.

He now lives in Idaho, has let his own daughter read my book, and he, among many other HERD Brothers, still keeps in touch via phone, E mail and 173d Airborne Brigade reunions.

I have been VERY blessed by my Unit ... and take great PRIDE in my service.

I am prouder still of those I had the HONOR to serve with.

THEY are true HEROES.

I was just a grunt who took great pride in his job.

Recently, the NATIONAL Commander of the Military Order of the Purple Heart, Henery J. Cook III, honored me by submitting my name to the US Army for its "Freedom Team Salute Citation";

which reads in part,

"We thank you for the honor of your past service with our Army and for your continued support of our soldiers."

It is signed by;

George W. Casey Jr
General, United States Army
Chief of Staff

and by;
Pete Geren
Secretary of the Army


Thank you, rbser, for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for you.


Yet again.
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#725206 --- 01/05/08 12:56 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Registered: 12/23/05
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You are avoiding answering the question about going back to Vietnam. You said you wanted to go back but the Army would not let you because you had too little time left on your enlistment. Your friends who have never been in the Army or Vietnam might buy that but those of us who were there know better.
Either you lied about wanting to go back, or you lied about the reasons the Army wouldn't let you go back - because they wouldn't let you reenlistment, or you lied about both.

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#725261 --- 01/05/08 02:50 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: Retired Soldier]
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I am avoiding nothing. You are phishing for something and you got hooked.

So ... here ya go again.

I never lie. But I will reitterate.

The only "Heroes" I know are on the Wall or buried in Arlington and quite a few National Cemetaries.


rbser, you will never understand nor grasp the reality of that fact.

I joined the army at 17, was in combat at 18, turned 19 in hospital bed awaiting medivack home.

I never slept on guard duty, lol, watch was held atop the bunkers on the burm at Tuy Hoa because THAT is where the claymore detonators were; and THAT is where each man did his two hour shift before waking the next of 4 troopers gaurding that particular stretch of sand and wire.

You would wake him, he who WAS sleeping in the bunker, give him the watch that got passed man to man, then roll up in your poncho liner to get some sleep yourself.

In the spring of 1968 an rpg impacted the bunker I was sitting on. A shelter erected there had both over head cover and side cover for those who manned the fighting position atop the bunker as SOP.

On March 22cnd, 1969 while leading a "Hawk" team of 28, 173d Airborne Troopers outside of Ahn Khe, I was severely wounded in the middle of an ambush by a punji stick that broke off in my femure and tore through all but the back skin of my left thigh.

I was shipped from 18th Evac in Ahn Khe to Quin Nhon Air Force Hospital, to Cahm Rahn Bay Evac ... to Japan ... to Alaska ... all via stretcher attatched to the inside of a US Military, C 130 Hospital plane.

I speant 10 days in a qounset hut/Red Cross ward on the tarmak of Dulles Air Force base just outside of DC; where a Red Cross nurse came in and plugged a phone into the jack next to each of our beds; and we got to call Mom and Dad for ten minutes each; to tell them we were alive and back on American Soil.

After ten days there I was flown out, again on a stretcher strapped to the inside of a C 130 and sent to Fort Devons Army Hospital;
where I was put on a heavy regimen of antibiotics and had larger stents inserted in my leg for drainage in an attempt to save my left leg and butt that was full of gaseous gangrene.

I kept my leg ... and my honor.

I was chosen, along with fellow Sky Soldier and Hill 875 survivor Mike Hammer, to carry Command Sgt Major Proffit's 173d Abn Banner at the head of Rochester Minnesota's "WELCOME HOME" parade held in 1995 in that city;
a parade that was lead by General Westmorland, whom I had the HONOR of escorting into Rochester Minnesota's VFW that afternoon.

General Cunningham, of Seattle, Washington, USA; who Commanded the 173d Airborne Brigade during two tours of our deployment to Vietnam, introduced me to his wife as "Dewey"; the name of the protagonist in my book on the HERD.

I look forward to greeting he and his wife at each reunion I attend of the 173d Airborne Brigade (SEP)

My commanding officer, Captian Wilson, commander of Alpha company, 4th battalion from July of 1968 to February of 1969, was and still is, one of my best friends.

He now lives in Idaho, has let his own daughter read my book, and he, among many other HERD Brothers, still keeps in touch via phone, E mail and 173d Airborne Brigade reunions.

I have been VERY blessed by my Unit ... and take great PRIDE in my service.

I am prouder still of those I had the HONOR to serve with.

THEY are true HEROES.

I was just a grunt who took great pride in his job.

Recently, the NATIONAL Commander of the Military Order of the Purple Heart, Henery J. Cook III, honored me by submitting my name to the US Army for its "Freedom Team Salute Citation";

which reads in part,

"We thank you for the honor of your past service with our Army and for your continued support of our soldiers."

It is signed by;

George W. Casey Jr
General, United States Army
Chief of Staff

and by;
Pete Geren
Secretary of the Army


Thank you, rbser, for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for you.


Yet again.
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America has problems.

We can fix that.

America is not THE problem.

Next time. Vote for the AMERICAN.


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#725265 --- 01/05/08 02:53 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Sky Said : I have been VERY blessed by my Unit ... and take great PRIDE in my service.

I am prouder still of those I had the HONOR to serve with.

THEY are true HEROES.

I was just a grunt who took great pride in his job.

Recently, the NATIONAL Commander of the Military Order of the Purple Heart, Henery J. Cook III, honored me by submitting my name to the US Army for its "Freedom Team Salute Citation";

which reads in part,

"We thank you for the honor of your past service with our Army and for your continued support of our soldiers."

It is signed by;

George W. Casey Jr
General, United States Army
Chief of Staff

and by;
Pete Geren
Secretary of the Army

Thank you, rbser, for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for you.
Yet again.


Well said sky, you make that ol'rbsr look like the worthless fool he is every time you reply.

Thats why you help vets belong to the PGR and belong to the VNV MC

and he spews his america hating distaste for the soldiers jism all over this board.

But rememeber those who count stand by you and respect YOU !
Those who dont think and act like RBS'r and the gutless worm he is.


Edited by BraveHeart (01/05/08 02:56 PM)
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#725441 --- 01/05/08 07:10 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: BraveHeart]
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Registered: 12/23/05
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Loc: Rochester, NY
Twist and turn to avoid answering. lil ss said he wanted to go back to Vietnam, but the Army wouldn't let him because he had too little time left on his enlistment. He either lied and did not want to go back or he was barred from reenlistment and couldn't go back.
Simple question, but he can't answer because either way he is a liar.

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#725459 --- 01/05/08 07:31 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Amuse me. LOL Demand more answers to more ridiculous questions.

But first. Read this .

I am avoiding nothing. You are phishing for something and you got hooked.

So ... here ya go again.

I never lie. But I will reitterate.

The only "Heroes" I know are on the Wall or buried in Arlington and quite a few National Cemetaries.


rbser, you will never understand nor grasp the reality of that fact.

I joined the army at 17, was in combat at 18, turned 19 in hospital bed awaiting medivack home.

I never slept on guard duty, lol, watch was held atop the bunkers on the burm at Tuy Hoa because THAT is where the claymore detonators were; and THAT is where each man did his two hour shift before waking the next of 4 troopers gaurding that particular stretch of sand and wire.

You would wake him, he who WAS sleeping in the bunker, give him the watch that got passed man to man, then roll up in your poncho liner to get some sleep yourself.

In the spring of 1968 an rpg impacted the bunker I was sitting on. A shelter erected there had both over head cover and side cover for those who manned the fighting position atop the bunker as SOP.

On March 22cnd, 1969 while leading a "Hawk" team of 28, 173d Airborne Troopers outside of Ahn Khe, I was severely wounded in the middle of an ambush by a punji stick that broke off in my femure and tore through all but the back skin of my left thigh.

I was shipped from 18th Evac in Ahn Khe to Quin Nhon Air Force Hospital, to Cahm Rahn Bay Evac ... to Japan ... to Alaska ... all via stretcher attatched to the inside of a US Military, C 130 Hospital plane.

I speant 10 days in a qounset hut/Red Cross ward on the tarmak of Dulles Air Force base just outside of DC; where a Red Cross nurse came in and plugged a phone into the jack next to each of our beds; and we got to call Mom and Dad for ten minutes each; to tell them we were alive and back on American Soil.

After ten days there I was flown out, again on a stretcher strapped to the inside of a C 130 and sent to Fort Devons Army Hospital;
where I was put on a heavy regimen of antibiotics and had larger stents inserted in my leg for drainage in an attempt to save my left leg and butt that was full of gaseous gangrene.

I kept my leg ... and my honor.

I was chosen, along with fellow Sky Soldier and Hill 875 survivor Mike Hammer, to carry Command Sgt Major Proffit's 173d Abn Banner at the head of Rochester Minnesota's "WELCOME HOME" parade held in 1995 in that city;
a parade that was lead by General Westmorland, whom I had the HONOR of escorting into Rochester Minnesota's VFW that afternoon.

General Cunningham, of Seattle, Washington, USA; who Commanded the 173d Airborne Brigade during two tours of our deployment to Vietnam, introduced me to his wife as "Dewey"; the name of the protagonist in my book on the HERD.

I look forward to greeting he and his wife at each reunion I attend of the 173d Airborne Brigade (SEP)

My commanding officer, Captian Wilson, commander of Alpha company, 4th battalion from July of 1968 to February of 1969, was and still is, one of my best friends.

He now lives in Idaho, has let his own daughter read my book, and he, among many other HERD Brothers, still keeps in touch via phone, E mail and 173d Airborne Brigade reunions.

I have been VERY blessed by my Unit ... and take great PRIDE in my service.

I am prouder still of those I had the HONOR to serve with.

THEY are true HEROES.

I was just a grunt who took great pride in his job.

Recently, the NATIONAL Commander of the Military Order of the Purple Heart, Henery J. Cook III, honored me by submitting my name to the US Army for its "Freedom Team Salute Citation";

which reads in part,

"We thank you for the honor of your past service with our Army and for your continued support of our soldiers."

It is signed by;

George W. Casey Jr
General, United States Army
Chief of Staff

and by;
Pete Geren
Secretary of the Army


Thank you, rbser, for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for you.


Yet again.
_________________________
America has problems.

We can fix that.

America is not THE problem.

Next time. Vote for the AMERICAN.


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#725506 --- 01/05/08 08:54 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Registered: 12/23/05
Posts: 12945
Loc: Rochester, NY
Twist and turn to avoid answering. You said you wanted to go back to Vietnam, but the Army wouldn't let you because you had too little time left on your enlistment. You either lied and did not want to go back or you were barred from reenlistment and couldn't go back. Or both.
Simple question, but you can't answer because either way you are shown to be a liar.
That established, you might as well answer.

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#725640 --- 01/06/08 07:50 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Posts: 25300
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Amuse me little troll. LOL \:\) I can always count on you for a chuckle.

Demand more answers to more ridiculous questions. But first. Read this. YOU CAN read can you not?

I mean "TWO Master's degrees" and being a "retired occifer" (in yer dreams) you should have a firm grasp on something besides those little boys you are so fond of molesting.

First off ... I never lie. But ... I will reitterate. Yet again.

The only "Heroes" I know are on the Wall or buried in Arlington and quite a few National Cemetaries.


rbser, you will never understand nor grasp the reality of that fact.

I joined the army at 17, was in combat at 18, turned 19 in hospital bed awaiting medivack home.

I never slept on guard duty, lol, watch was held atop the bunkers on the burm at Tuy Hoa because THAT is where the claymore detonators were; and THAT is where each man did his two hour shift before waking the next of 4 troopers gaurding that particular stretch of sand and wire.

You would wake him, he who WAS sleeping in the bunker, give him the watch that got passed man to man, then roll up in your poncho liner to get some sleep yourself.

In the spring of 1968 an rpg impacted the bunker I was sitting on. A shelter erected there had both over head cover and side cover for those who manned the fighting position atop the bunker as SOP.

On March 22cnd, 1969 while leading a "Hawk" team of 28, 173d Airborne Troopers outside of Ahn Khe, I was severely wounded in the middle of an ambush by a punji stick that broke off in my femure and tore through all but the back skin of my left thigh.

I was shipped from 18th Evac in Ahn Khe to Quin Nhon Air Force Hospital, to Cahm Rahn Bay Evac ... to Japan ... to Alaska ... all via stretcher attatched to the inside of a US Military, C 130 Hospital plane.

I speant 10 days in a qounset hut/Red Cross ward on the tarmak of Dulles Air Force base just outside of DC; where a Red Cross nurse came in and plugged a phone into the jack next to each of our beds; and we got to call Mom and Dad for ten minutes each; to tell them we were alive and back on American Soil.

After ten days there I was flown out, again on a stretcher strapped to the inside of a C 130 and sent to Fort Devons Army Hospital;
where I was put on a heavy regimen of antibiotics and had larger stents inserted in my leg for drainage in an attempt to save my left leg and butt that was full of gaseous gangrene.

I kept my leg ... and my honor.

I was chosen, along with fellow Sky Soldier and Hill 875 survivor Mike Hammer, to carry Command Sgt Major Proffit's 173d Abn Banner at the head of Rochester Minnesota's "WELCOME HOME" parade held in 1995 in that city;
a parade that was lead by General Westmorland, whom I had the HONOR of escorting into Rochester Minnesota's VFW that afternoon.

General Cunningham, of Seattle, Washington, USA; who Commanded the 173d Airborne Brigade during two tours of our deployment to Vietnam, introduced me to his wife as "Dewey"; the name of the protagonist in my book on the HERD.

I look forward to greeting he and his wife at each reunion I attend of the 173d Airborne Brigade (SEP)

My commanding officer, Captian Wilson, commander of Alpha company, 4th battalion from July of 1968 to February of 1969, was and still is, one of my best friends.

He now lives in Idaho, has let his own daughter read my book, and he, among many other HERD Brothers, still keeps in touch via phone, E mail and 173d Airborne Brigade reunions.

I have been VERY blessed by my Unit ... and take great PRIDE in my service.

I am prouder still of those I had the HONOR to serve with.

THEY are true HEROES.

I was just a grunt who took great pride in his job.

Recently, the NATIONAL Commander of the Military Order of the Purple Heart, Henery J. Cook III, honored me by submitting my name to the US Army for its "Freedom Team Salute Citation";

which reads in part,

"We thank you for the honor of your past service with our Army and for your continued support of our soldiers."

It is signed by;

George W. Casey Jr
General, United States Army
Chief of Staff

and by;
Pete Geren
Secretary of the Army


Thank you, rbser, for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for you.


Yet again. \:\/
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We can fix that.

America is not THE problem.

Next time. Vote for the AMERICAN.


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#727346 --- 01/07/08 07:54 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Never is a very long time indeed.
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#727670 --- 01/08/08 09:19 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: MotherNature]
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???????????????????????????? Say what? Never is just a concept. It has not and can not ever tick. It has no time. Forever is a long time.
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#727738 --- 01/08/08 11:33 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: boxer]
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Do you argue with everyone?
The message is for Sky. He should know what it means.
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#727741 --- 01/08/08 11:40 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: MotherNature]
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Not a clue. ;-)



But then again, it's pretty hectic around here at the moment.






GOTTTA RIDE!
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#728489 --- 01/09/08 05:37 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Haditha Marine squad leader court-martial set for February
Alexis Unkovic at 3:08 PM ET

[JURIST] A military judge at Camp Pendleton Wednesday set a trial date of February 25 for the court-martial of US Marine Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich who faces charges of voluntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, dereliction of duty and obstruction of justice in connection to the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians at Haditha in November 2005. Wuterich was ordered to face court-martial on December 31. He did not enter a plea at his arraignment Wednesday.

Wuterich was initially charged with unpremeditated murder, but the investigating officer in Wuterich's case recommended last year that the more serious charge be dropped. An official report on the Haditha incident by US Army Major General Eldon Bargewell found "serious misconduct" on all levels of the US Marine Corps chain of command. Reuters has more.

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#728522 --- 01/09/08 06:35 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: Retired Soldier]
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"but the investigating officer in Wuterich's case recommended last year that the more serious charge be dropped."


As they all will when Wuterich becomes the 6th man to be EXONERATED! LOL

And he doesn't tell you the "SERIOUS MISCONDUCT" was failure to cohmprehend they were involved in a AlQaida Propaganda Ploy until that PROPAGANDA had smeared the Corps.
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#728537 --- 01/09/08 06:55 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Where's the bombshell that would prove them innocent and exonerate them?
That is true because the 4 month delay in investigating the crimes destroyed virtually all the forensic evidence. The charges were not dropped because the USMC felt their original charges of MURDER were incorrect. The charges were dropped because there was no evidence to prove prior intent which is a requirement to convict someone of murder.
The USMC thought Wuterich committed murder but couldn't prove it so they are prosecuting him on those charges they can prove.
He has not been exonerated or proven innocent. Quite the contrary. He'll serve as much time in prison as most second degree murderers, possibly more.

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#728538 --- 01/09/08 06:56 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn










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We can fix that.

America is not THE problem.

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#728557 --- 01/09/08 07:52 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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Yes, you have been wrong so consistently and so often about everything you post it is boring for me to point it out again.
There was no bombshell. Wuterich and Tatum were not proven innocent or exonerated. Instead they are facing court martials and long, long prison terms in Federal prison.
Boring because that is what I predicted and you denied all along.

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#728564 --- 01/09/08 08:05 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
All were charged with MURDER. Wuterich still is.


No. He is NOT. NO ONE IS CHARGED WITH MURDER.

And this is why;

LtGeneral Mattis' remarks...
This entry was posted on 8/9/2007 6:49 PM and is filed under Hadithah,UCMJ Military Justice,Hamdania,Iraq.

Statements from Lt. Gen. James Mattis
UNION-TRIBUNE
August 9, 2007
(Emphasis added)

Statement from Lt. Gen. James Mattis concerning his decision to drop all charges against Capt. Randy Stone in the Haditha murder case. The Marine Corps released his remarks Thursday:

"I have thoroughly reviewed and considered all of the evidence surrounding the Haditha incident and Captain Stone's conduct with respect to command reporting of and response to the incident. It is clear to me that any error of omission or commission by Captain Stone does not warrant action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

"The Article 32 Investigating Officer recommended that the case not be tried at court-martial. I am aware of the line that separates the merely remiss from the clearly criminal, and I do not believe that any mistakes Captain Stone made with respect to the incident rise to the level of criminal behavior.

"In determining the appropriate disposition of this case, I have also considered Captain Stone's conduct and performance in full context. During the time period at issue, Captain Stone was in his first assignment serving as a Marine judge advocate under difficult circumstances as a staff member of an infantry battalion engaged in combat operations.

He willingly volunteered for this assignment and took on challenging duties with enthusiasm. Similarly, his attentiveness to training the Marines in the law of war and rules of engagement and willingness to share their hardship to better appreciate the challenges facing them are notable. By patrolling alongside the infantrymen in his Battalion, he helped them embrace the imperative of ethical behavior in combat. In this manner, he directly contributed to our Nation's effort to fight a shadowy enemy who hides among and endangers innocent people and does not comply with any aspect of the law of war.

"Captain Stone and his fellow Marines served in the most ethically challenging combat environment in the world. Nonetheless, Marines are expected to withstand the extreme and fatiguing pressures inherent in counterinsurgency operations, protecting the innocent, while tirelessly fighting the enemy with relentless vigor.

I have no doubt that he now understands the absolute necessity for objective inquiry into the combat actions of our Marines in such an environment, especially when innocent lives are lost.

"Captain Stone's experience in this incident offers many hard learned lessons that I am confident will serve him well in the future. It is incumbent on him to ensure that the lessons he has learned provide guidance for future judge advocates who may serve under similar circumstances in an infantry battalion in combat.

"I have impressed upon Captain Stone the fact that the Marine Corps' investigation into the Haditha incident has been driven solely by the interests of justice. Now that his case is resolved, I know that he will continue to serve with motivation and dedication, and with the understanding that he has much to contribute to the success of his unit and the Marine Corps."

Statement from Lt. Gen. James Mattis concerning his decision to drop all charges against Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt in the Haditha murder case. The Marine Corps released his remarks Thursday:

"The events of November 19, 2005 have been exhaustively reviewed by Marine, Army, and Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigators. An independent Article 32 Investigating Officer has considered all the facts and determined that the evidence does not support a referral to court-martial for LCpl Sharratt.

Based on my review of all the evidence in this case and considering the recommendation of the Article 32 officer, I have dismissed the charges against LCpl Sharratt.

"LCpl Sharratt has served as a Marine infantryman in Iraq where our Nation is fighting a shadowy enemy who hides among the innocent people, does not comply with any aspect of the law of war, and routinely targets and intentionally draws fire toward civilians. The challenges of this combat environment put extreme pressures on our Marines.

Notwithstanding, operational, moral, and legal imperatives demand that we Marines stay true to our own standards and maintain compliance with the law of war in this morally bruising environment.

"The experience of combat is difficult to understand intellectually and very difficult to appreciate emotionally. One of our Nation's most articulate Supreme Court Justices, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., served as an infantryman during the Civil War and described war as an 'incommunicable experience.' He has also noted elsewhere that 'detached reflection cannot be demanded in the face of an uplifted knife.' Marines have a well earned reputation for remaining cool in the face of enemies brandishing much more than knives. The brutal reality that Justice Holmes described is experienced each day in Iraq, where Marines willingly put themselves at great risk to protect innocent civilians. Where the enemy disregards any attempt to comply with ethical norms of warfare, we exercise discipline and restraint to protect the innocent caught on the battlefield. Our way is right, but it is also difficult.

"With the dismissal of these charges LCpl Sharratt may fairly conclude that he did his best to live up to the standards, followed by U.S. fighting men throughout our many wars, in the face of life or death decisions made in a matter of seconds in combat. And as he has always remained cloaked in the presumption of innocence, with this dismissal of charges, he remains in the eyes of the law - and in my eyes - innocent."
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#728790 --- 01/10/08 07:18 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: SkySoldier]
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He is no longer charged with murder, but he and Tatum were. You can play with words, but a major general and two full colonels were censured and forced into retirement for failing to investigate the crimes in time.
The only reason the murder charges were reduced is there was no forensic evidence after the 4 month delay in investigating the crimes.
As I posted before, if you believe that OJ was exonerated because he was found innocent at a trial of murder, then you can say the Haditha marines were exonerated. Most people realize that the USMC thinks they committed murder and that is why they are being court martialed. If convicted of all charges Wuterich could serve over 100 years in prison. He will probably only get 10-20 years but that is far more than most convicted murderers get so justice will be served.

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#728937 --- 01/10/08 10:57 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marine [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Go play with yourself, and OJ, in heavy, oncoming traffic. \:\)




"The experience of combat is difficult to understand intellectually and very difficult to appreciate emotionally. One of our Nation's most articulate Supreme Court Justices, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., served as an infantryman during the Civil War and described war as an 'incommunicable experience.' He has also noted elsewhere that 'detached reflection cannot be demanded in the face of an uplifted knife.' Marines have a well earned reputation for remaining cool in the face of enemies brandishing much more than knives.

The brutal reality that Justice Holmes described is experienced each day in Iraq, where Marines willingly put themselves at great risk to protect innocent civilians. Where the enemy disregards any attempt to comply with ethical norms of warfare, we exercise discipline and restraint to protect the innocent caught on the battlefield. Our way is right, but it is also difficult.

"With the dismissal of these charges LCpl Sharratt may fairly conclude that he did his best to live up to the standards, followed by U.S. fighting men throughout our many wars, in the face of life or death decisions made in a matter of seconds in combat.

And as he has always remained cloaked in the presumption of innocence, with this dismissal of charges, he remains in the eyes of the law - and in my eyes - innocent."



And that has applied to ALL those exonerated and will apply to those FEW left that WILL BE EXONERATED.
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