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#656411 --- 10/09/07 10:24 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam
Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
Why do the Marines continue the hearings and investigation? Why haven't they dismissed all charges and awarded medals all around? The answer is simple. Nothing you and lil ss have posted is true. It is all nonsense from bloggers.
The Marines know what Wuterich did at Haditha wasn't heroic. They know it was homicidal.


Why? Because of people like you would be screaming something was foul. So, they continue to present the testimony and evidence as such to show the public there was no cover-up. In the meantime, they still also show how people like you judged them without a trial.
The hearings are clearing the air, only your stench keeps things malodorous, rbs'er.


"Why? Why? Why? Why??????" whines the r...b...ser,


Why are the Marines being cleared so absolutely? Why have all the toy soldier's marbles rolled haphazardly all over the forums?



Because of the moutian of evidence you try to ignore.

It's called the truth,

and it has washed your feet out from under you and swept your fifth column "cause" away with the stench of your lies.



But I guess it would beat admitting you freaked up again, r...b..ser.

Gotta be so sad being you, being wrong in the beggining, the middle, and wrong now ... at the end.

The Haditha Marines were innocent, are innocent and have been proven innocent a hundred times over.
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#656416 --- 10/09/07 10:32 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: SkySoldier]
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You are such a loser. Show me where the Marines were cleared. They haven't been. The investigation continues and the court martials are pending.
Wuterich may escape murder charges. Tatum probably will not. Chesanni will face court martial for dereliction of duty. If the Marines were innocent none of that would happen, would it?

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#656423 --- 10/09/07 10:37 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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We have showed you so many times you are now just a boring buzz of nothing new.




Go way troll. You have little boys to molest don't you?
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#656445 --- 10/09/07 11:42 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
You are such a loser. Show me where the Marines were cleared. They haven't been. The investigation continues and the court martials are pending.
Wuterich may escape murder charges. Tatum probably will not. Chesanni will face court martial for dereliction of duty. If the Marines were innocent none of that would happen, would it?


Here ya go...and please tell me this is a right wing blog...LOL!

Sergeant Sanick P. Dela Cruz

Charges dismissed April 2, 2007


Captain Lucas M. McConnell

Charges dismissed September 12, 2007

Lance Corporal Justin L. Sharratt

Charges dismissed August 8, 2007

Captain Randy W. Stone

Charges dismissed August 9, 2007

http://www.usmc.mil/lapa/Iraq/Haditha/Haditha-Preferred-Charges-061221.htm

4 of 8 have been cleared. You cannot deny that. Chessani is being recommended for court martial...but not for murder. Grayson has yet to have his hearing. Both Tatum and Wuterich have been recommended to have charges dismissed.

Read 'em and weep rbs'er...or not. Do toy soldiers rust? \:\/



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#656448 --- 10/09/07 11:48 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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What does not come across in the "copy and paste" from the Pendleton site is that each and every charge under these Marines' names are crossed out with lines through them. Meaning...they be done....dismissed....cleared...history.
Poor ol' lil rbs'er just cannot face reality.

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#656500 --- 10/10/07 01:27 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Nothing has been decided until the Lt Gen, soon to a be General makes his determination. The convening officer decides who goes to trial. The hearing officer makes a recommendation.
We are still waiting for the convening officer's decisions.

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#656651 --- 10/10/07 10:54 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
Nothing has been decided until the Lt Gen, soon to a be General makes his determination. The convening officer decides who goes to trial. The hearing officer makes a recommendation.
We are still waiting for the convening officer's decisions.


You never waited for anyone, you had already decided they were guilty based on Time Magazine and Murtha.

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#656653 --- 10/10/07 10:55 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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And for the record, rbs'er...these four Mattis has already decided on:

Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam
Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
You are such a loser. Show me where the Marines were cleared. They haven't been. The investigation continues and the court martials are pending.
Wuterich may escape murder charges. Tatum probably will not. Chesanni will face court martial for dereliction of duty. If the Marines were innocent none of that would happen, would it?


Here ya go...and please tell me this is a right wing blog...LOL!

Sergeant Sanick P. Dela Cruz

Charges dismissed April 2, 2007


Captain Lucas M. McConnell

Charges dismissed September 12, 2007

Lance Corporal Justin L. Sharratt

Charges dismissed August 8, 2007

Captain Randy W. Stone

Charges dismissed August 9, 2007

http://www.usmc.mil/lapa/Iraq/Haditha/Haditha-Preferred-Charges-061221.htm

4 of 8 have been cleared. You cannot deny that. Chessani is being recommended for court martial...but not for murder. Grayson has yet to have his hearing. Both Tatum and Wuterich have been recommended to have charges dismissed.

Read 'em and weep rbs'er...or not. Do toy soldiers rust? \:\/





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#656673 --- 10/10/07 11:35 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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The Haditha Marines have become an anology for the failed war in Iraq.
After 5 years an numerous turning points from Mission Accomplished to writing a constitution, to electing an Iraqi government, the US is failing in Iraq. To compensate bush2 has repeatedly lowered expectations, and redefined what victory would be. Now we have no definition for victory and no date to expect it.
Same with the Haditha Marines. We were told the Marines were framed by Al Qaeda, who did the actual killing. Now we know that Al Qaeda was not there and the Marines did the killing. The bombshell has become that the Marine Corps cannot prove the charge of murder.
While their supporters call the disgraced Haditha Marines heros, the Marine Corps continues to pursue charges against them, and against their superiors who aided or ignored the cover-up.
The sad part is the defense of the disgraced Haditha Marines degrades and insults those Marines and Soldiers who have done their duty under impossible conditions and not murdered civilians in their rage and frustration.

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#656701 --- 10/10/07 12:50 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
The Haditha Marines have become an anology for the failed war in Iraq.


BINGO! There you have it folks. It is not about these Marines being guilty or innocent to rbs'er. It is about using them as pawns to show ( in rbs'er's view) the mission has failed in Iraq. It is using these Marines as pin-ups for the anti-war crowd. Just like they did to troops during Vietnam.

You really need to pull your head out of Murtha's butt and learn to speak your own words, not his. Or stay in Murtha's butt and go down with that sinking ship.

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#656833 --- 10/10/07 03:52 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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No, it was about your denial, sj. You refuse to consider the possibility that these Marines committed crimes despite the fact the USMC obviously believes they did. You refuse to accept the reality that the war in Iraq is a failure, and the continuing sacrifice of American troops is unjustified and just a ploy to allow bush2 to pass his war onto a Democratic president.

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#656855 --- 10/10/07 04:13 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Each time you say "no insurgents in the area of Wuterich's squad" you are desecrating this Marine who died at the hands of the insurgents that day. What is his name, rbs'er? Do you even know? Can you tell me by not googling for it?


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#656914 --- 10/10/07 06:09 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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sj, you can try to change the subject, but the question still remains: If there was no battle within the three houses. No insurgents encountered or killed, why were the 7 Iraqi women and 3 children shot by Wuterich and Tatum? Why did they lie and try to say all the deaths occurred outside the houses in a post IED firefight?
That is why the investigation continues and a major general and two full colonels were censured, and LTC Chesanni is facing court martial, as well as Wuterich and Tatum, and Grayson.

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#656923 --- 10/10/07 06:12 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam
Each time you say "no insurgents in the area of Wuterich's squad" you are desecrating this Marine who died at the hands of the insurgents that day. What is his name, rbs'er? Do you even know? Can you tell me by not googling for it?



rbs'er still cannot tell me the Marine's name. Sad.

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#656986 --- 10/10/07 08:24 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Yes, it is sad that he and others (about 70-90 per month) are being sacrificed unnecessarily. You cannot even explain what he died for.
What is even sadder is that Wuterich used his death as an excuse to go and murder 24 Iraqi civilians because there were no insurgents to fight. Then Wutreich lied about the circumstances to cover-up the crime.
Why aren't you concerned about the 7 women and 3 children gunned down? Their lives don't count?

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#657554 --- 10/11/07 06:14 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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No bombshell. The case against the Marines was crippled by the cover-up instituted immmediately after the murders were committed when Wuterich falsely reported that all 24 Iraqi civilians were killed outside either by the IED explosion or immediately afterwards during a fire fight between Marines and Insurgents. That was a lie. It never happened.
Lawyers at the next higher headquarters (Brigade) said they would have immediately investigated if they had known that the civilians were killed inside their houses.
The failure of Wuterich's battalion commander to follow-up and investigate the murders has resulted in his being recommended for court martial. Lt Grayson investigated the killings but had his nco delete the pictures of the victims because the pictures clearly showed that Wuterich had lied about the circumstances of the deaths of the 24 innocent Iraqis.

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#657577 --- 10/11/07 06:47 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam
Originally Posted By: Strawberry Jam
Each time you say "no insurgents in the area of Wuterich's squad" you are desecrating this Marine who died at the hands of the insurgents that day. What is his name, rbs'er? Do you even know? Can you tell me by not googling for it?



rbs'er still cannot tell me the Marine's name. Sad.

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#657724 --- 10/11/07 10:37 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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9 children killed in U.S. raid in Iraq By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
22 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - A U.S. attack killed 19 insurgents and 15 civilians, including nine children, northwest of the capital Thursday one of the heaviest civilian death tolls in an American operation in recent months. The military said it was targeting senior leaders of al-Qaida in Iraq.

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#657728 --- 10/11/07 10:48 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
9 children killed in U.S. raid in Iraq By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
22 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - A U.S. attack killed 19 insurgents and 15 civilians, including nine children, northwest of the capital Thursday one of the heaviest civilian death tolls in an American operation in recent months. The military said it was targeting senior leaders of al-Qaida in Iraq.



Are you calling this murder? Did you miss the part of:

"The military said it was targeting senior leaders of al-Qaida in Iraq[/[b]"?

One of the reasons we are there in the first place: AL Qeada? Do you know the term "collateral damage" used in warzones? As ex-military, you would think you would.

Did you also note the following:

"After securing the area, the ground force assessed 15 terrorists, six women and nine children were killed," the statement said. Two suspected al-Qaida members, a woman and three children were wounded, according to the military account.

The military said its troopers "were reviewing information from the scene (of Thursday's attack) as well as assessing the level of damage involved."

The statement also issued regret "that civilians are hurt or killed while Coalition forces search to rid Iraq of terrorism
."

Here is a link to the rest of the article so others may see it:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071011/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_071009212983


Edited by Strawberry Jam (10/11/07 11:02 PM)

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#657741 --- 10/11/07 11:15 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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What do you call it, sj? How many more American soldiers dead? How many more Iraqi women and children dead? We are creating more terrorists than we kill.

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