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#568444 --- 04/26/07 08:03 PM Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines
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Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines
Philip V. Brennan
Wednesday, April 25, 2007



Convincing evidence that corroborates NewsMax.com's accounts of the Haditha insurgent ambush has compelled the prosecution to take extraordinary steps to bolster their crumbling case.

The stunning announcement that all charges are being dropped against Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz, formerly accused of murder in the Haditha incident where 24 Iraqis were killed during an insurgent ambush against the Marines, is indication that the prosecutors have a very weak case against all the defendants, lawyers for the some of the accused say.

Crumbling Case

"Dela Cruz provided several sworn statements to the government," Mark Zaid said. Zaid is one of the attorneys representing defendant Sgt. Frank Wuterich adding that as part of its obligations the government turned over statements to Wuterich's defense team.

"Unless there's something new that he is suddenly going to come forward with, it's not entirely clear that it's damaging to my client at all," Mark Zaid, one of the attorney's representing Sgt. defendant Frank Wuterich, told NewsMax.com.

The announcement of the deal with Dela Cruz is further evidence that the cases against the Kilo Company Marines and several of their superior officers are in deep trouble.

It comes on the heels of postponements of Article 32 hearings slated for Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, the battalion commander and two of the enlisted men charged with murdering civilians in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005.


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#568666 --- 04/27/07 07:09 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: SkySoldier]
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Lawyer: Hadithah officer nominated for medal


Thomas Watkins
The Associated Press
Thursday Apr 26, 2007

SAN DIEGO -- A Marine officer accused of failing to investigate the slayings of 24 Iraqis in Hadithah was recommended for a Bronze Star medal partly because of his actions on the day of the killings, his attorney said Wednesday.

1st Lt. Andrew A. Grayson, of Springboro, Ohio, was in a team of intelligence operatives that inspected the scene of the Nov. 19, 2005, attack.

Grayson's attorney, Joseph Casas, said the medal recommendation was written in February 2006, about the same time government agents were probing the deaths.

Casas said the nomination praised the Marine for learning of two other roadside bombs in Hadithah from Iraqis he questioned in the wake of the attacks. He was also cited for obtaining information that led to the capture of two men who detonated the bomb that sparked the violence.

The medal nomination also cites other instances in which Grayson obtained information that may have saved American lives over a five-month period from August to December 2005, Casas said.

"I think it is indicative of the type of Marine he is and the unblemished career Lt. Grayson has led and of his good military character," said Casas, who believes the recommendation is still under consideration.


The Bronze Star is the fourth-highest award given for combat action.

Casas said Grayson is innocent of all charges.

The enlisted men have maintained their innocence, saying they believed they were under attack and followed proper procedures to defend themselves, while the officers say they reported events up the chain of command.

One of the accused men, Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, was recommended for a Navy Achievement Medal before any charges were filed.

URL: http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/04/ap_hadithah_070426/




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#569377 --- 04/28/07 07:11 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: SkySoldier]
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The stunning announcement that all charges are being dropped against Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz, formerly accused of murder in the Haditha incident where 24 Iraqis were killed during an insurgent ambush against the Marines, is indication that the prosecutors have a very weak case against all the defendants, lawyers for the some of the accused say.



Mr. Gud4u knew there was no evidence against the United States soldiers. Fortunately he has an answer for just this situation when you are sure the United States did something wrong but you have no proof......

“just because you do not have enough evidence to prosecute someone for a crime does not mean they did not do the crime...” Gud4u Post# 539389 03/09/2007 05:52 PM
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#569407 --- 04/28/07 08:15 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Al Kida]
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And the BS just keeps on rolling along.

Let's Smear Some Marines for the Cause

April 27, 2007:

There is now evidence that backs the Marines charged with killing civilians at Haditha in Iraq. If true, the new evidence would indicate that al Qaeda carried out another successful information operation that not only diverted resources into an investigation, but also provided some anti-war politicians ammunition to not only claim crimes had been committed, but that there had been a cover-up.


The initial Haditha investigations uncovered some apparent discrepancies in the Marines' stories, and a criminal investigation by NCIS was launched. This led to some criminal charges being filed earlier this year.

Now, some of the charges have been dismissed, and it is beginning to look like the accusations of a massacre may be untrue, making it look like the story may end up to be more a case of the media getting it wrong. If so, this would not be the first time.

In 2005, Newsweek reported that guards at Guantanamo Bay flushed a Koran down a toilet, triggering riots that led to a number of injuries and deaths throughout the Moslem world. There was just one problem with the report: Newsweek got it wrong. Investigations reported that there were very few incidents of mishandling, most of which were unintentional.

The damage, though, was done – not only because record was never corrected, but because it probably aided al Qaeda's recruiting efforts.

Earlier that year, the claims were about torture at the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, most notably in a speech by Senator Richard Durbin on the Senate floor. The Department of Defense investigated, and determined that no torture had occurred. In fact, some of the incidents where the line was crossed came about due to provocation by detainees under interrogation (one incident involved an interrogator smearing a detainee with red ink after the detainee spat on her). Again, the results of the investigation, got nowhere near the coverage of the initial allegations.



The 2002 Battle of Jenin was another incident portrayed as a massacre by the Palestinians. The resulting investigations from the United Nations found no evidence of a massacre involving hundreds of dead (as claimed by various reports from Palestinian sources and echoed by human rights groups and the press). Instead, the total number of casualties was 52, the majority of whom were combatants, not civilians. Again, the results of the investigation failed to get the same level of coverage the lurid claims of a massacre.



In this day and age, it doesn't take long for a misleading story to spread out. The comments by Senator Durbin were promulgated across the world in a matter of hours, and al Jazeera featured them prominently. The same was also true of Newsweek's story claiming a Koran had been flushed by guards at Guantanamo Bay. In both cases, the charges were investigated. In both cases, the claims proved to have little, if any, bearing to what really happened. The claims of torture were found to be generally unfounded, and in the few cases where lines were crossed, corrective action had been taken, in some cases immediately (one such case involved an interrogator who smeared a detainee with red ink after that detainee spat on her). Worse, the lies were already spread around by the time the truth was determined and not reported. In the case of the Koran-flushing, lives were lost.



The media mistakes are becoming all too frequent to dismiss at this point. One such mistake might be innocent. But this has been "mistake" after "mistake", all of which have made the United States look bad. Worse, favorable stories have apparently been spiked. There also was a story for Time magazine about the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment by an embedded reporter that was rewritten by editors in New York because the original submission made the American troops look "too heroic". Several reports from Iraq have also been questioned by bloggers, adding to the controversy. It seems the troops don't get a break from the same press which is willing to run the latest claims from human rights groups and anti-war activists without question – even when past claims have been shown to be off base. – Harold C. Hutchison (haroldc.hutchison@gmail.com)
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#569416 --- 04/28/07 08:50 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: SkySoldier]
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The attorneys for the accused are attempting to try the case in the media which will only result in harsher sentences for their clients.
The basic facts of the case remain undisputed:
After an IED destroyed one of their humvees the marines assumed that the explosion had been detonated from a nearby house and attacked it killing women and children. They then proceeded to attack another house killing more women and children. The justification was they thought they were receiving fire from the houses but there is no evidence of that occurring.
The squad leader went on 60 minutes and admitted his squad had done the killing and said he would make the same decision again, even knowing the facts.
Nothing you have posted changes any of that. No responsible news source has ever suggested the massacre didn't happen or was not perpetrated by the marines. Their sole defense is they thought they were acting according to orders and the rules of engagement. Their lawyers are blaming the Marine Corps for not properly training them. That will go over real well at their court martial.

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#569627 --- 04/28/07 06:34 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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I don't see anything in here that the case is "crippled" or the killings did not occur, or the marines did not do the killing. I do see a message that officers will be held responsible if their subordinates commit crimes, a good message.

Haditha case a warning for Marines
Charges in civilian deaths show officers will be held accountable for actions
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:39 p.m. ET Dec 22, 2006
CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - With eight Marines charged in connection with the deaths of 24 Iraqi civilians, the Marine Corps sent a clear message to its officers: They will be held accountable for the actions of their subordinates.

In the biggest U.S. criminal case involving civilian deaths to come out of the Iraq war, four of the Marines — all enlisted men — were charged Thursday with unpremeditated murder.

But the remaining four Marines in the case are officers, the highest ranking among them a lieutenant colonel. They were charged with dereliction of duty for failing to report or properly investigate the killings in the Iraqi town of Haditha last year.

The case marks the largest number of U.S. officers to be charged in an alleged crime since the start of the Iraq war, said John Hutson, a former Navy judge advocate general.

“The honorable thing is not to ‘protect’ your subordinates,” said Hutson, who is now president of New Hampshire’s Franklin Pierce Law Center. “The honorable thing is to look above that and realize they have a greater responsibility to the Marine Corps and military justice system.”

Lt. Col. Jeffrey R. Chessani, 42, of Rangely, Colo., was charged with failing to accurately report and thoroughly investigate a possible violation and dereliction of duty. He could face dismissal and up to two years in prison.

Hutson said officers play an integral role in the way crimes are reported and how military justice is handled. He said if the officers did fail to properly investigate the deaths, their failures were more enduring “than these guys who allegedly murdered people.”

Besides Chessani, officers charged in connection with how the incident was investigated or reported included 1st Lt. Andrew A. Grayson, 25; Capt. Lucas McConnell, 31, of Napa, Calif., and Capt. Randy W. Stone, 34, a military attorney.

Murder and other charges issued
The charges followed an investigation into Iraqi allegations that Marines went on a rampage after one of their own was killed by a bomb.


Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, was charged with the unpremeditated murder of 12 people, and the murder of six others by ordering Marines about to enter a house to “shoot first and ask questions later,” according to court papers released by his attorney, Neal Puckett. He faces the possibility of life in prison if convicted.

Puckett said his client carried out the killings in accordance with his training.

“There’s no question that innocent people died that day, but Staff Sergeant Wuterich believes, and I believe, they did everything they were trained to do,” he said.

Wuterich was also charged with making a false official statement and soliciting another sergeant to make false official statements.

Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz, 24, of Chicago, was accused of the unpremeditated murders of five people and making a false official statement with intent to deceive.


Investigation began in March
Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt, 22, of Canonsburg, Pa., was accused of the unpremeditated murder of three Iraqis. Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum, 25, of Edmund, Okla., was charged with the unpremeditated murders of two Iraqis, negligent homicide of four Iraqi civilians and a charge of assault upon two Iraqis.

The Marines, who are based at Camp Pendleton, have been under investigation since March. None will be placed in pretrial confinement, because they are not deemed a flight risk or a danger to themselves or others, said Col. Stewart Navarre, chief of staff for Marine Corps Installations West.

The Iraqis were killed in the hours following a roadside bomb that rocked a Marine patrol on the morning of Nov. 19, 2005. The blast killed Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas of El Paso, Texas, and injured two others. The Marine Corps said again Thursday that insurgents fired guns after the blast.

In the aftermath, five men were shot as they approached the scene in a taxi and others — including women and children — died as Marines went house to house in the area, clearing homes with grenades and gunfire.

Terrazas’ father denounced the charges.

“What they are doing to our troops ... it’s just wrong,” he told The Associated Press in Texas. “I feel for their families. They are in my prayers.”

Marines acted as trained, defense argues
Defense attorneys have said their clients were doing what they had been trained to do: respond to a perceived threat with legitimate force. The Marines remained in combat for months after the killings.

A criminal probe was launched after Time magazine reported in March, citing survivor accounts and human rights groups, that innocent people were killed.

The Marine Corps initially reported that 15 Iraqis died in a roadside bomb blast, and Marines killed eight insurgents in an ensuing fire fight. That account was widely discredited and later reports put the number of dead Iraqis at 24.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis, commanding general of the Marine Corps Central Command, said Thursday that the Corps’ initial news release, which said the civilians in Haditha had been killed by an improvised explosive device, was incorrect.

“We now know with certainty that the press release was incorrect, and that none of the civilians were killed by the IED explosion,” Mattis said in another release.

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#569975 --- 04/29/07 11:37 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Of course you don't.

You and Murtha convicted them without trial nor evidence months ago. Put your money where you freaking mouth is.

The charges WILL all be dropped and apologies issued.

We have VIDEO of the whole freaking thing. Not the insurgent video that shows only bodies posed and no Americans.
We (the defense for these innocent Marines) that you and your ilk would have prosecuted for doing their job,
for fighting their way out of an ambush where your murderous "heroes" used women and children as human shields.

Stick that in your bottle of vodka and swill it down, jerk off.




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#570014 --- 04/29/07 02:45 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: SkySoldier]
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When you are not fighting lost causes do you beat your head against the wall and scream at the injustice of it all? Does it ever bother you that you have been conistently wrong on every issue concerning the Iraq war, that everything you have predicted has not happened?
One definition of mental illness is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again, and expecting a different result. That describes you perfectly.

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#570023 --- 04/29/07 03:00 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
When you are not fighting lost causes do you beat your head against the wall and scream at the injustice of it all? Does it ever bother you that you have been conistently wrong on every issue concerning the Iraq war, that everything you have predicted has not happened?
One definition of mental illness is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again, and expecting a different result. That describes you perfectly.


RS, another sign of mental illness is talking to yourself such as you're doing above about yourself. \:\/

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#570251 --- 04/30/07 06:42 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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So now you admit that the massacre took place and the marines were the ones doing the shooting? You have finally accepted the reality of that? You are now buying into their defense that they were poorly trained by the USMC and it is the Corps at fault, not them?

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#570253 --- 04/30/07 06:44 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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So now you admit that the massacre took place and the marines were the ones doing the shooting? You have finally accepted the reality of that? You are now buying into their defense that they were poorly trained by the USMC and it is the Corps at fault, not them?


Go get more coffee, this post makes no sense as I never said anything like that.

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#570271 --- 04/30/07 08:15 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Actually, I was replying to your brother, but I am glad to hear that you realize the facts in the case.

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#570273 --- 04/30/07 08:18 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Why do you hate Marines ? , is it because you are jealous ?
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#570291 --- 04/30/07 09:26 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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Actually, I like marines. I would like to get them out of the impossible situation they are in. Why do you hate marines and want to continue to send them in to an impossible job under horrible conditions when we all know that the decision has already been made to withdraw from Iraq. It will happen. The big question now is whether we will plan for it and do it in the best possible way, or we will continue to deny the inevitable and withdraw under chaotic conditions.

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#570298 --- 04/30/07 09:42 AM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Well you may like marines, but you know little to nothing about them. Impossible is not in their vocabulary. I wonder why Wilson/FDR/Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon hated the marines so much.
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#570336 --- 04/30/07 12:04 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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So you are all for investing another 5-10 years in Iraq? Marines and soldiers mean so little to you? Well there is one difference between the two of us. I also do not think the Haditha marines represent the Marine Corps. I think they are an abberation. What is your opinion?

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#570338 --- 04/30/07 12:09 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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My opinion is that you are an aberation, that if this was clinton or kerrys war, you would be happy to use grandomthers and girl scouts as cannon fodder.


Edited by Bubba_Zanetti (04/30/07 12:11 PM)
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#570346 --- 04/30/07 12:45 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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I see. You support it because it is bush2's war even though it was unnecessary and has made us less safe? That is another difference between us. Whether you consider Vietnam JFL's, LBJ's, or Nixon's doesn't matter to me. It was a mistake, too.

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#570386 --- 04/30/07 03:06 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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How has this war made us less safe?
Show me where a single terrorist plot hs made it to the USA's streets and has been linked to: Hammas/Al Queada/Red Brigade/(or name your muslim sect)?
Where? Show me where on this soil, hundreds of Americans have been killed?
Where are we not as safe as we were prior to 9/11?

I dont remember seeing news reports of body parts being blown all over the streets due to a foriegn terrorist attack.
I seem to remember that the danger was in Iraq and Afghanistan and Lebanon, and Iraq and the UAE... If memory serves me from my breifing I received in Baharain...
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#570423 --- 04/30/07 04:46 PM Re: Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines [Re: Retired Soldier]
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So you are all for investing another 5-10 years in Iraq? Marines and soldiers mean so little to you? Well there is one difference between the two of us. I also do not think the Haditha marines represent the Marine Corps. I think they are an abberation. What is your opinion?


Ok, two things:

1) This reminds me I am waiting for that quote of Petaeus saying another 10-15 years in Iraq.

2) And now the Marines in Haditha are an abberation? When before when the news broke you said they were just overworked and broken down from their mission? Now they are an abberation? Which is it, did they suffer from battle fatigue or PTSD or are they simple abberations for the ALLEGED events that took place in Haditha? They still have not been convicted, try to remember that...as I said, it is still the US of A and innocent until PROVEN guilty.

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