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#565345 --- 04/21/07 04:53 PM Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo
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#565443 --- 04/21/07 10:40 PM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: Gio]
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Catholicism is a ridiculous fscking collection of superstitions.
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#565594 --- 04/22/07 06:50 AM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: AbuDhabi]
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Wow ridiculous?? Not silly or stupid or funny but ridiculous?
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#565718 --- 04/22/07 09:54 AM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: Gio]
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I think Abu may be right in his choice of adjective. It's absurd to have a religion where the particular guy in charge can actually "announce" that he's nullifying church dogma. And it's not just ridiculous - it's ALSO silly and stupid. Not really funny, though, when you think about the millions who follow these nuts.
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#565751 --- 04/22/07 10:52 AM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: LaughinWillow]
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"Theologians, however, have long taught that such children enjoy an eternal state of perfect natural happiness, a state commonly called limbo, but without being in communion with God".


A quote out of the article. Doesn't sound so bad now does it??
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#565763 --- 04/22/07 11:07 AM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: LaughinWillow]
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But the pope signed a DOCUMENT. I mean, duh - God obviously approves.
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#565796 --- 04/22/07 12:26 PM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: past tense]
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The issue is Papal Infallibility. Obviously, he is not. The church can state what they believe the church's position(s) should be on earthly issues. That is, afterall, their purpose. However, when they start speculating about what life is like in heaven (or in the case of unbaptized children) outside of it, they are on a stretch and should realize it.
Since many priests will not allow parents who are not active Catholics to have their children baptized, the issue is really charged, but that is just another issue where the organized church is screwed up in my opinion.

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#565939 --- 04/22/07 07:02 PM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
"Theologians, however, have long taught that such children enjoy an eternal state of perfect natural happiness, a state commonly called limbo, but without being in communion with God".


A quote out of the article. Doesn't sound so bad now does it??



They believe that when you die you get to meet Rush Limbo???

I still have to go with the 72 virgins.
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#565956 --- 04/22/07 07:47 PM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: Al Kida]
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lol... but what about purgatory

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#565990 --- 04/22/07 09:04 PM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: MorganHills]
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Originally Posted By: MorganHills
lol... but what about purgatory



In purgatory the 72 virgins are Rush Limbo.
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#566048 --- 04/22/07 11:24 PM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: LaughinWillow]
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Originally Posted By: LaughinWillow
Not really funny, though, when you think about the millions who follow these nuts.


But you have to admit: The Inquisition was pretty funny. So were the Crusades.
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#566051 --- 04/22/07 11:35 PM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: AbuDhabi]
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#566130 --- 04/23/07 05:11 AM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: MorganHills]
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"While the report does not carry the authority of a papal encyclical or even the weight of a formal document from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, it was approved by the pope on Jan. 19 and was published on the Internet - an indication that it was intended to be widely read by the faithful."

...demonstrating, once again, that everything you see on the internet is true.
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#566208 --- 04/23/07 07:17 AM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: Al Kida]
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Originally Posted By: Al Kida
Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
"Theologians, however, have long taught that such children enjoy an eternal state of perfect natural happiness, a state commonly called limbo, but without being in communion with God".


A quote out of the article. Doesn't sound so bad now does it??



They believe that when you die you get to meet Rush Limbo???

I still have to go with the 72 virgins.



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#566257 --- 04/23/07 10:07 AM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Quote:In purgatory the 72 virgins are Rush Limbo. ...OK Al Kida-you got me THAT was funny!!I hate it when Marvel or DC rewrite the histories of my favorite superheroes-leave my mythologies alone, please.

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#566630 --- 04/24/07 02:51 AM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: AbuDhabi]
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Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi
Originally Posted By: LaughinWillow
Not really funny, though, when you think about the millions who follow these nuts.


But you have to admit: The Inquisition was pretty funny. So were the Crusades.


* If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses." Lenny Bruce

"Lenny was arrested that night, ostensibly for obscenity. The head of the vice squad later warned the Gate of Horn's manager: "If this man ever uses a four-letter word in this club again, I'm going to pinch you and everyone in here. If he ever speaks against religion, I'm going to pinch you and everyone in here. Do you understand? ... He mocks the pope -- and I'm speaking as a Catholic -- I'm here to tell you your license is in danger."

Chicago had the largest membership in the Roman Catholic Church of any archdiocese in the country. Lenny's jury consisted entirely of Catholics. The judge, the prosecutor and his assistant were Catholic. On Ash Wednesday, the judge removed the spot of ash from his forehead and told the bailiff to instruct the others to follow his lead. The reality of a judge, two prosecutors and 12 jurors, every one with a spot of ash on their foreheads, had all the surrealistic flavor of a Lenny Bruce fantasy."

And the laughs just keep on coming.



Edited by VM Smith (04/24/07 02:58 AM)
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#566981 --- 04/24/07 12:00 PM Re: Catholic Church Reverses Teachings On Limbo [Re: VM Smith]
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April 24, 2007
Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved
By NEELA BANERJEE
WASHINGTON, April 23 — To settle a lawsuit, the Department of Veterans Affairs has agreed to add the Wiccan pentacle to a list of approved religious symbols that it will engrave on veterans’ headstones.

The settlement, which was reached on Friday, was announced on Monday by Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, which represented the plaintiffs in the case.

Though it has many forms, Wicca is a type of pre-Christian belief that reveres nature and its cycles. Its symbol is the pentacle, a five-pointed star, inside a circle.

Until now, the Veterans Affairs department had approved 38 symbols to indicate the faith of deceased service members on memorials. It normally takes a few months for a petition by a faith group to win the department’s approval, but the effort on behalf of the Wiccan symbol took about 10 years and a lawsuit, said Richard B. Katskee, assistant legal director for Americans United.

The group attributed the delay to religious discrimination. Many Americans do not consider Wicca a religion, or hold the mistaken belief that Wiccans are devil worshipers.

“The Wiccan families we represented were in no way asking for special treatment,” the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United, said at a news conference Monday. “They wanted precisely the same treatment that dozens of other religions already had received from the department, an acknowledgment that their spiritual beliefs were on par with those of everyone else.”

A Veterans Affairs spokesman, Matt Burns, confirmed that the “V.A. will be adding the pentacle to its list of approved emblems of belief that will be engraved on government-provided markers.”

“The government acted to settle in the interest of the families concerned,” Mr. Burns added, “and to spare taxpayers the expense of further litigation.”

There are 1,800 Wiccans in the armed forces, according to a Pentagon survey cited in the suit, and Wiccans have their faith mentioned in official handbooks for military chaplains and noted on their dog tags.

At least 11 families will be immediately affected by the V.A.’s decision, said the Rev. Selena Fox, senior minister of Circle Sanctuary, a Wiccan church in Wisconsin.

In reviewing 30,000 pages of documents from Veterans Affairs, Americans United said, it found e-mail and memorandums referring to negative comments President Bush made about Wicca in an interview with “Good Morning America” in 1999, when he was governor of Texas. The interview had to do with a controversy at the time about Wiccan soldiers’ being allowed to worship at Fort Hood, Tex.

“I don’t think witchcraft is a religion,” Mr. Bush said at the time, according to a transcript. “I would hope the military officials would take a second look at the decision they made.”

Americans United did not assert that the White House influenced the Veterans Affairs Department. Under the settlement, Americans United had to return the documents and could not copy them, though it could make limited comments about their contents, Mr. Katskee said.

Americans United filed the lawsuit last November on behalf of several Wiccan military families. Among the plaintiffs was Roberta Stewart, whose husband, Sgt. Patrick Stewart, was killed in September 2005 in Afghanistan.

Ms. Stewart said she had tried various avenues to get the pentacle approved. Late last year, Gov. Kenny Guinn of Nevada, her home state, approved the placing of a marker with a pentacle in a Veterans Affairs cemetery in Fernley, east of Reno. But Ms. Stewart said she had continued to pursue the lawsuit because she wanted the federal government to approve the markers.

Other religious groups that have often opposed Americans United supported the effort to have the government approve the pentacle.

“I was just aghast that someone who would fight for their country and die for their country would not get the symbol he wanted on his gravestone,” said John W. Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, which litigates many First Amendment cases. “It’s just overt religious discrimination.”

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