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#565268 --- 04/21/07 02:08 PM Pay soars to keep people in military
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Pay soars to keep people in military

By LOLITA C. BALDOR
Associated Press Writer
More Army deserters are being prosecuted


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon poured more than $1 billion into bonuses last year to keep soldiers and Marines in the military in the face of an unpopular war and battlefield deployments that are getting longer and more frequent.

The incentives - including tax-free payments for those who re-enlist while in the war zone - have jumped nearly sixfold since 2003, the year the war in Iraq began.

"It helps a lot of guys out," said Sgt. 1st Class Richard Doran, who re-enlisted late last year during his tour in Iraq. "And I think it does sway some of the decisions to stay in when guys are on the fence trying to decide."

The size and number of bonuses have grown as officials scrambled to meet the steady demand for troops on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan and reverse sporadic shortfalls in the number of National Guard and Reserve soldiers willing to sign on for multiple tours.

On Wednesday, officials said the Pentagon is thinking about lengthening tours of duty for all active-duty Army units in Iraq to 15 months instead of 12.

Besides underscoring the extraordinary steps the Pentagon must take to maintain fighting forces, the rise in costs for re-enlistment incentives is putting strains on the defense budget, already strapped by the massive costs of waging war and equipping and caring for a modern military.

The bonuses can range from a few thousand dollars to as much as $150,000 for very senior special forces soldiers who re-enlist for six years. All told, the Army and Marines spent $1.03 billion for re-enlistment payments last year, compared with $174 million in 2003, the year the war in Iraq began.

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#565934 --- 04/22/07 11:54 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Pay soars to keep people in military



Yes, as Mr. Retired Soldier says this higher pay is a very bad thing. Why should you increase the pay of soldiers?? You should keep it very low. I mean how much could a doctor or someone that works on computers make in civilian life??? The military should be able to pay way less than that and keep all their good people. This makes no sense!!!
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#566050 --- 04/23/07 04:30 AM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Al Kida]
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This is terrible: PAYING soldiers to risk their lives. They should do it for free. Damned mercenaries!

Isn't the Army chow enough of an incentive?

And the adulation of the American public?
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#569384 --- 04/28/07 12:29 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: AbuDhabi]
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More U.S. military members becoming American citizens


By Allison Batdorff, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Sunday, April 29, 2007



Allison Batdorff / S&S
More and more non-citizen military members are taking advantage of the expedited, no cost naturalization process, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Friday's ceremony -- with 121 servicemembers from 34 countries -- was the biggest ceremony held to date at Yokosuka Naval Base.
YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — Adjan Adhikari called Nepal on his cellular phone Friday to tell his buddies the big news.

“I’m an American now,” said the USS Kitty Hawk seaman. Adhikari immigrated to the U.S. four years ago.

After joining the Navy, he became eligible for fast-track naturalization under a 2002 executive order that expedites the process for active-duty military during “periods of conflict.” President Bush declared the time after Sept. 11, 2001, as a period of conflict.

Adhikari seized the opportunity.

While non-citizens can serve in the U.S. military, they can’t hold certain jobs. Citizenship was the only way for Adhikari to get a security clearance — the first step toward his dream of working for one of the U.S. intelligence agencies, he said.

Getting a security clearance is one of the most popular reasons why people apply, said Petty Officer 1st Class Tracey Dikes. Citizenship applications take up 75 percent of her work load as a legalman aboard the Kitty Hawk, she said.

Currently about 500 non-citizens work on the aircraft carrier, she said.

Dikes had more than 50 sailors at Friday’s overseas naturalization ceremony at Yokosuka Naval Base. A total of 121 servicemembers representing 34 different countries took the oath, making it the largest ceremony in the region to date.

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#569388 --- 04/28/07 12:36 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Benefits Home > Military Pay> Military Pay OverviewMilitary Pay Overview
Currently, the military compensation system has over 70 separate types of pay and allowances -- that's a lot to keep track of. Fortunately everything you need to know from Basic Pay, to special pay and allowances (even retired pay) can be found right here.

Annual military pay raises are linked to the increase in civilian wages. Current laws governing annual pay raises guarantee that military pay will be at least one-half percent above civilian average pay increases, as measured by the Employment Cost Index (ECI), through 2006. Military pay raises may exceed these automatic levels if authorized and funded by Congress.

To learn about the 2007 2.2% across-the-board pay raise, and the April 1, 2007 targeted pay raise, view the 2007 Military Pay Charts.

Note: Pay for over 30 years goes into effect on April 1, 2007.

Factors That Affect Your Pay
Did you know, in addition to advancement and promotion, the following factors will influence your pay?


The Annual Pay Raise.
Longevity raises virtually every 2 years (based on the number of years in service).
Promotions.
Basic Allowance for Housing Increases BAH (based on location).
Basic Allowance for Subsistence BAS Increase.
Cost of Living Allowance COLA Increase (based on location).
And Special Pay(s) (based on occupations: Combat, Flight, Hazardous Duty).
If you are transferring you can bet that your BAH and Cola will probably change.

Find Your Military Pay Chart Now
Active Duty: 2006 Active Duty Pay Charts
Active Duty: 2007 Active Duty Pay Charts
Reserve or Guard: Drill Pay Calculators (Reserve and Guard)
Reserve or Guard: 2007 Guard and Reserve Drill Pay Charts
Retiree: Retired Pay Overview
Disabled Veteran: Disabled Veteran Benefits Overview

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#569389 --- 04/28/07 12:39 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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What Congress Has in Store for You in 2007
From Rod Powers,
Your Guide to U.S. Military.
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Dec 15 2006
Each year about this time, I wade through the provisions of the annual Defense Authorization Act, in order to give you a preview of what our members of Congress have in store for you in the way of pay and benefit changes for the upcoming year.

Congress has approved the Fiscal Year 2007 Military Authorization Act, and President Bush signed the act into Law on October 17, 2006. This annual act contains authorization for pay and benefit changes for military personnel for the upcoming year. There were initially two versions of the act, the House version and the Senate version, which contained many differences that had to be ironed out by a joint House/Senate conference committee, before being submitted to a final vote.

Here's a look at the provisions that made it, and the proposals that got the cut for 2007:

WHAT MADE IT

Base Pay.

Congress approved an across-the-board 2.2 percent increase in Basic Pay over 2006 rates. Additionally, the law provides for a second, "targeted" raise of up to 8.3 percent for some warrant officers and mid-level enlisted members. Under previous law, military members stopped receiving raises for "years-of-service" once they had 26 years in the military. The new law provides for "longevity raises" for some senior ranking commissioned officers, warrant officers, and enlisted members who have between 26 and 40 years of military service.
The 2.2 percent raise and the "longevity" rates are effective on January 1, 2007, which means military members will see the increase in their January 15th paychecks. The separate "targeted" raise is effective on 1 April 2007.


http://usmilitary.about.com/od/payandbenefits/a/07paychanges.htm

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#569390 --- 04/28/07 12:40 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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Annual Pay Adjustment

Annual military pay raises are linked to the increase in private sector wages. Beginning with the January 1, 2000 pay raise, annual pay raises through 2006 were to be one-half percent above private-sector average increases as measured by the Employment Cost Index (ECI). This is an important change. Since passage of a 1990 law, the annual military pay raise was capped at one-half percent below private-sector growth unless specifically granted a larger increase by Congress. The FY2000 National Defense Authorization Act directed that pay raises for 2000 through 2006 would automatically be one-half percent above the private-sector wage increases. Pay raises beginning in 2007 are to be equal to the increase in the ECI. Pay raises may exceed these automatic levels if authorized and funded by Congress.

In January 2007, the military pay raise was 2.2% (ECI). On April 1, 2007, some mid-grade enlisted members and warrant officers will receive additional increases.

http://www.defenselink.mil/militarypay/pay/bp/05_annualraise.html

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#569393 --- 04/28/07 12:47 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Retired Soldier]
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More U.S. military members becoming American citizens



This is outrageous!!!

If military members want to become United States citizens quickly, they should do it the right way. They need to sneak across the Mexico border just like everyone else!!!
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#569466 --- 04/28/07 03:31 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Al Kida]
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Originally Posted By: Al Kida
Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
Pay soars to keep people in military



Yes, as Mr. Retired Soldier says this higher pay is a very bad thing.



Where did he type that?
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#569503 --- 04/28/07 04:49 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Gio]
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I always supported military pay raises when I was on active duty and I continue to do so. I support reinlistment bonuses and combat pay, too. I posted these items because the public needs to understand how overstretched the miltiary has become. In addition to lowering enlistment standards and giving waivers for criminal convictions and offering big bonuses for reenlistment we are enlisting a lot of foreigners (500 on one aircraft carrier alone?).

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#569518 --- 04/28/07 06:20 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Retired Soldier]
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And all this time I was convinced that you thought that soldiers were under paid.

Now your whining about them making too much.

Why do you hate the American Military RBS'r ? , why ?
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#569551 --- 04/28/07 08:07 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Bubba_Zanetti]
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You are a dumb ass. Read the post and tell me where I whine about them making too much.
I am upset that this administration has so destroyed the military and made military service so undesirable that they (1) had to reduce enlistment standards, (2) had to come up with huge bonuses to get troops to reenlist, and (3) had to recruit foreign nationals in order to fill the ranks.

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#569556 --- 04/28/07 08:14 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
(3) had to recruit foreign nationals in order to fill the ranks.




There is just something so wrong with that....
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#569611 --- 04/28/07 09:46 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Gio]
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Yes, there is on both sides. Unfortunately, the volunteer military gets most of its recruits from the economically disadvantaged and foreign nationals seeking citizenship. We really need a draft. The American public would have been much more skeptical of this administration's reasons for invading Iraq if there had been a draft.

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#569648 --- 04/29/07 12:57 AM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Retired Soldier]
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"We really need a draft."

Let's get this straight...you think enlistees are less than par now, so you want to draft people in who do not want to be in the military?

And by foreign nationals, do you mean people who are already seeking citizenship and so are on the road to being Americans? So Immigrant Americans are not valuable members of the US military? What do you have against them?

Military bonuses are and have been an ongoing part of the military.

And the pay raises were called for long ago in a 1990's law...that would be before the Bush Administration took the reins.

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#569679 --- 04/29/07 02:33 AM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Strawberry Jam]
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again can some point out to me where RS typed the pay increase was a bad thing...
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#569698 --- 04/29/07 03:03 AM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Gio]
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SJ, you need to stop trying to score points and deal with the issues rather than your anger with me.
I served in the military when we had a draft so I speak from experience, not speculation. You had college grads serving next to high school graduates, whites, blacks, hispanics, and other Americans. The desertion rates were no higher than they are now with a volunteer Army.
The difference is that the burden of service was more widely shared across the country. Practically, everyone in Congress was a veteran then. Now, there are hardly no veterans in Congress. We had a military that was primarily bachelors. Now over 70% of the military is married. We had a military that was young, most under 20. Look at the ages of the troops dying in Iraq. Many are in their 40's. Tell me this over stretched, broken military is better than the Army of the 60's.

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#569714 --- 04/29/07 03:24 AM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
Tell me this over stretched, broken military is better than the Army of the 60's.



The army of today is much better then the army of the '60s. Look at all the technological advances. That alone makes it a better army.
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#569771 --- 04/29/07 04:17 AM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Retired Soldier]
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Originally Posted By: Retired Soldier
In addition to lowering enlistment standards and giving waivers for criminal convictions and offering big bonuses for reenlistment we are enlisting a lot of foreigners (500 on one aircraft carrier alone?).


Sounds to me like a good deal for all concerned, except you.
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#569965 --- 04/29/07 04:26 PM Re: Pay soars to keep people in military [Re: Gio]
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"Look at all the technological advances."

And we need good people, well trained, to operate that very technical stuff.

We're currently taking in more non-high school grads, more people from the lowest category of qualification test scores, and more people with such issues as drug abuse and criminal records. Also, with more and more multiple combat tours, more and longer tour extensions, stop loss, , over-use of the resrve and guard, etc., we're driving out some, and will drive out more, of those critical and extensively and expensively trained personnell from the military. Even the most motivated and patriotic person can finally say "Enough; let Jenna and Barbra step up and do it!".


Edited by VM Smith (04/29/07 04:27 PM)
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