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#1042108 --- 06/23/09 01:59 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Gee, let me think about that. Would you believe - NO.


How much can we get back from the tribes?
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#1042187 --- 06/23/09 05:17 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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I believe that would be nada, zip, not a red cent.
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#1042311 --- 06/24/09 03:59 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: SilverFox]
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A one sided issue.
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#1044199 --- 06/27/09 11:22 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
BJR - if NY has not broken a treaty with you why would the state Cayuga reservation still exist?


The Oneidas claim that they do not qualify under IRA so why should the Cayugas?
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#1045806 --- 07/01/09 07:10 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
I believe that would be nada, zip, not a red cent.



The Counties should raid the stores and address the illegal gas sales.
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#1045869 --- 07/01/09 11:40 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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I think they are waiting for the Appeals Court to relase the decision on the cigarettes before they proceed. Maybe it will "hatch" this session. The Court has sure sat on the decision long enough for it to hatch.
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#1045910 --- 07/01/09 01:10 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: SilverFox]
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should read this about how halftown rejected several deals to settle.

http://www.law.syr.edu/Pdfs/0Cayuga%20Deal%20Off%20Again.pdf

The on-again, off-again, on-again casino/land claim deal between the Cayuga Indian Nation of New York and the state is apparently off again. Clint Halftown, the nation spokesman, said the Cayugas are backing out of the Nov. 18 proposed settlement because the state has a similar deal with the rival Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma.
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#1045935 --- 07/01/09 02:24 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: pixie]
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The Sherrill decision against the tribes in March of 2005 took the wind out of Halftown sails.


Cayuga Indian Nation deal with state seems off again Spokesman says nation objects to state's proposal with Oklahoma tribe.
Tuesday, January 04, 2005
By Scott Rapp Staff writer

The on-again, off-again, on-again casino/land claim deal between the Cayuga Indian Nation ofNew York and the state is apparently off again. Clint Halftown, the nation spokesman, said the Cayugas are backing out of the Nov. 18 proposed settlement because the state has a similar deal with the rival Seneca-Cayuga Tribe ofOklahoma.Friction exists between the two Indian nations, the co-plaintiffs in the Cayuga Indian land claim to 64,015 acres of ancestral land around the north end of Cayuga Lake. "The Cayuga Nation of New York is anxious to resolve its claim against the state for illegally taking our land two centuries ago, but it is unwilling to do so if out-of-state tribes are given any land as part of the settlement," Halftown said in his news release. In the same announcement, Halftown said the nation would not renew its contract with EmpireResorts Inc. to build and manage the casino at Monticello Raceway in Sullivan County because Empire had failed to win federal approval for the casino. The contract expired Friday. The development surprised many officials close to the deal. Todd Alhart, a spokesman for Gov. George E. Pataki, said the state had yet to hear from Halftown and considers the proposed settlement to still be in the works. It is the second time in five months that the Cayugas have nixed deals to settle their share of the 25-year-old land claim in exchange for a state compact to launch a lucrative Las Vegas-stylecasino in the Catskills. In August, the nation said it was backing out of a similar agreement because the state had amended that deal to include a casino in the Catskills for the Seneca-Cayugas.Halftown also told The Post-Standard recently that the Cayugas were proceeding with the settlement because they did not want to risk losing their appeal of the $247.9 million judgment awarded to both nations in 2001. The Cayugas are seeking $1.7 billion while the state has askedfor a much smaller award from the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Charles Degliomini, a spokesman for Empire, said Empire remains confident that the Cayugas will complete the land-claim deal and wind up with one of three state-approved casinos in the Catskills.

Halftown did not return three telephone messages. LeRoy Howard, chief of the Seneca-Cayugas, said he does not think Halftown's announcement will affect his nation's pending casino deal. "We signed our deal with the state first so we're not concerned at all about the Cayugas backingout of this. . . . These are separate deals so we don't feel there is going to be any impact," hesaid.The Seneca-Cayugas signed their agreement the week before the Cayugas reached theirsettlement. Both deals require approval from Congress and the state Legislature. Last month, a small group of Cayugas who oppose settling the land claim for a casino sent aletter to Pataki saying the deal was invalid because they said Halftown lacked the authority to sign the agreement. Even though the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs still recognizes Halftown as the nation's representative, they said he had been removed from the nation's governing council last July because he was in poor health.



Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005

R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday. In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago. The Oneida Nation claimed that the Sherrill properties could not be taxed by the city because the land once was part of their historic homeland. The Sherrill tax bill would run about $7,000 a year, but the Nation could owe more than $1.7 million a year in county, school and local property taxes on 17,000 acres it owns elsewhere in Oneida and Madison counties, county tax officials said. The Oneida Nation refused to speculate about the implications of the potential tax hit on its businessenterprises Tuesday. In a statement it said, "Certainly the Nation wishes the court had ruled differently, but the Nation will do everything it can to protect the over 4,200 jobs it has created."The bottom line is this: All properties owned by the Oneidas not on the 32 acres is taxable land," said local UCE President David Vickers. "The message is, 'Dear Ray: Pay up,'" referring to Oneida Nation representative Ray Halbritter. Vickers' interpretation of the ruling is that the Nation's federally-recognized sovereignty is a "legal fiction." "Obviously, it's clear the tribes are not sovereign," he said. "If the city of Sherrill can tax properties owned by the Oneida Indian Nation Inc., that means the Oneida Indian Nation Inc. is very much more like a corporation than a true sovereignty."
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#1045936 --- 07/01/09 02:27 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
The on-again, off-again, on-again casino/land claim deal between the Cayuga Indian Nation ofNew York and the state is apparently off again. Clint Halftown, the nation spokesman, said the Cayugas are backing out of the Nov. 18 proposed settlement because the state has a similar deal with the rival Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma.


Halftown only wants his tribe to have a casino?
The Seneca Cayuga tribes attempts at a casino in NY has vanished.
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#1045940 --- 07/01/09 02:34 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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may be its only halftown who wants a casino for himself , in one eastern state investers wanted a casino only way was to have a indian tribe involved . problem no indian tribes they found one old indian lady and got her kids involved . they now get x money paid each year for allowing their indian blood line to be used. this is not a level playing field.
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#1045944 --- 07/01/09 02:37 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: pixie]
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#1045952 --- 07/01/09 02:49 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: pixie]
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Halftown says casino could mean millions
Monday, January 03, 2005
By Scott Rapp Staff writer

The Cayuga Indian Nation of New York is pressing forward with its bid to land a Las Vegas-stylecasino in the Catskills, despite opposition from a small group of nation dissidents. That’s the word from Clint Halftown, the nation’s recognized spokesman, who signed the historic casino/land claim settlement with the state in November. The deal requires approval from Congress and the state Legislature. In a recent interview with The Post-Standard, Halftown, 32, said profits from the casino would allow the nation to buy more land and create education programs, child care, elderly care and other government services for its approximately 500 members, most of whom live in the Buffaloarea.

Q. What prompted the nation to make the casino-land claim deal with the state?

A. We see the possibility of Oneida versus Sherrill in the Supreme Court taking on the land claim case that will possibly — if they go against us — we could have nothing . So, we felt that we better get on board and get something before we didn’t get anything at all.

Q. Were you afraid that you would get dealt out of the action?

A. Yes, it could be, it’s a possibility. If the Supreme Court goes against us, we could ultimatelyend up having no land.

Q. It seems like the nation changed its position from five or six months ago when you signed the"memorandum of understanding" with the state. You didn’t seem to be worried about the court ruling against you, or at least not as much. Right?

A. I guess it’s coming out more that there’s a possibility the court could go against us. You know and we’re getting down to it.


Q. So you just didn’t want to take that risk?

A. Right.

Q. What’s the earliest date for opening the casino assuming this deal is approved by Congress and the state Legislature?

A. It will be 18 months from whenever we get the approvals. Probably 2007



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Halftown lost the Sherrill case and has nothing. Why no mention of the Cayuga reservation back then?
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#1045971 --- 07/01/09 03:25 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: pixie]
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Pixie:

It amazes me how this man is able to play both a sympathy card and a race card trying to get his way. The other night he threw out the statement, it is only "morally right" that they should be given trust status. Hey Halftown, it is only morally right that you abide by the decisions of the Cayuga Nation of Canada who sold the land use rights and left the area. That was affirmed by the Tribunal of Paris in the 1920's Do what is right and drop all soveriegnty claims and along with it your bogus law suits.

Here in this interview he said the following:
Q. Do you ever see the day when the Cayugas will work cooperatively with the Seneca-
Cayugas?
A. No, because the (Cayuga Nation) government stayed here. The government never went to
Oklahoma, and they went as individuals. Then whatever happened, they got recognized (by the
federal government) and then they came back as a recognized (tribe). To us, you’re not a
Seneca-Cayuga. You’re either a Cayuga or a Seneca. You’re not both."

How can that be? The Cayuga Nation Government did not stay here, they went to Canada following the Revolutionary War and have stayed there. The group he represents may be related but it seems to me the mantle of power, soveriegnty as some call it, would stay with the Nation, not with a dissident group claiming accendency to the seat of power because they stayed in New York as individuals. The BIA should never have recognized this group and should not be doing so now. and they should be treated just as he treats the claim of the Seneca Cayuga who went to Oklahoma. The same principles apply to the Cayuga of NY. I believe they were not even recognized by the Federal Government until the mid 1960's. His group falls within his own definition of the Seneca Cayuga, the Cayuga Nation went to Canada, the seat of power did not stay here although he claims it did.

I feel it was unfortunate the Supreme court did not allow our attoneys to explore the claim of this dissident group to be the Cayuga Nation for I do not see SCOTUS agreeing with the BIA they are a "nation".

Schumer at least got that right, as quoted in the paper tonight, "The New York Cayuga Tribe never were soveriegn".





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#1045985 --- 07/01/09 04:10 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: grinch]
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Well, yippee, score one for Schumer.

The Cayuga Nation didn't stay here and the Treaty of Canandaigua did not create a Federal Reservation.
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#1046106 --- 07/02/09 05:24 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Well, yippee, score one for Schumer.

The Cayuga Nation didn't stay here and the Treaty of Canandaigua did not create a Federal Reservation.


Then Schumer should instruct AG Cuomo to close down the illegal tribe shops and put a total halt to the trust process for the imposter tribe.


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#1046263 --- 07/02/09 12:23 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Should've, could've, would've but won't do it.
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#1047081 --- 07/05/09 03:32 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: grinch]
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Originally Posted By: grinch
... You’re either a Cayuga or a Seneca. You’re not both."


You are either a US citizen or your not.
Choose one Halftown.
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#1047085 --- 07/05/09 03:46 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: SilverFox]
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Looks like North Korea wants to bomb Hawaii. Will the Akaka bill change course or will Akaka want the US to defend Hawaii?
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#1047131 --- 07/05/09 06:34 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Last I knew Hawaii was the 50th state of the United States. Looks like we should be responsible to defend it.
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#1047451 --- 07/06/09 04:05 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: SilverFox]
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Akaka wants the Hawaii people to have it back. Another "sovereign" government..........
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