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#535049 --- 03/02/07 02:35 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: grinch]
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Originally Posted By: Okla.ndn
Sure let Trump open one. And he will pay a lot less then the Tribes do.


If he paid a few dollars it will be more than the Oneida pay.


I agree.
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#535051 --- 03/02/07 02:38 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Okla.ndn]
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Originally Posted By: Okla.ndn
Sure let Trump open one. And he will pay a lot less then the Tribes do.

And how much tax payer money has been spent/wasted on the court cases that the tribes have in NY?
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#535057 --- 03/02/07 02:43 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: grinch]
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Originally Posted By: grinch
It will be interesting to hear what caused this fire. The tribes reject inspections by local code enforcement officers and others charged with enforcing safety laws. Possibly they might have avoided this loss should they have allowed such inspections. Oh yes, they utilized the services of 20 volunteer fire departments in putting this out. I wonder if they are contributing to the cost of those departments. Sad part about this, 10 people are out of work.



Fire in Verona
Updated: 2/28/2007 9:34:50 PM
By: Web Staff


A fire has destroyed a woodworking shop located near the intersection of Routes 31 and 365 in the town of Verona. The one-story building is owned by the Oneida Indian Nation and served as a wood carpentry shop, that employed ten people.

The fire started between 7 and 8 o'clock when an employee at the nearby SavOn Gas Station saw it and called firefighters. More than 20 different departments responded.

Once they got the flames under control, crews brought in an excavator and knocked the building down.

No one was inside at the time of the fire. There’s still no word on the cause, but crews will be back on the scene in the morning.


And the OIN refuse to pay taxes???
How can a "sovereign" nation not even have a fire protection department of their own?
Guess they are not "sovereign" after all.
OIN is lucky that no one was hurt or killed by the fire.
Wonder what US insurance company will have to foot the bill?


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#535149 --- 03/02/07 05:17 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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I am supposed to go to a business that doesn't allow fire inspections and probably DOES NOT obey fire codes. Yeah, I'll spend the night in a FIRE TRAP!!! No thanks, I wouldn't use the bathroom in an indian owned business.
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#535154 --- 03/02/07 05:34 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: justaxme]
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Originally Posted By: justaxme
I am supposed to go to a business that doesn't allow fire inspections and probably DOES NOT obey fire codes. Yeah, I'll spend the night in a FIRE TRAP!!! No thanks, I wouldn't use the bathroom in an indian owned business.


Oh, I would just to give the Indians what they deserve... CRAP!
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#535528 --- 03/03/07 02:16 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: justaxme]
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Originally Posted By: justaxme
I am supposed to go to a business that doesn't allow fire inspections and probably DOES NOT obey fire codes. Yeah, I'll spend the night in a FIRE TRAP!!! No thanks, I wouldn't use the bathroom in an indian owned business.
We agreed to go by all laws. And that's what the governor needs to ask of the rest of the Tribes.
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#537788 --- 03/07/07 08:13 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: Okla.ndn]
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Originally Posted By: Okla.ndn
Originally Posted By: justaxme
I am supposed to go to a business that doesn't allow fire inspections and probably DOES NOT obey fire codes. Yeah, I'll spend the night in a FIRE TRAP!!! No thanks, I wouldn't use the bathroom in an indian owned business.
We agreed to go by all laws. And that's what the governor needs to ask of the rest of the Tribes.


If the tribes went by the laws then there would not be any tax free gas, tax free cigs, illegal casinos....
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#538681 --- 03/08/07 12:37 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Mayor Tim want a meeting to get a casino going ..... maybe he thinks there will be big money to hual the city out of debt..
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#539295 --- 03/09/07 01:38 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: reilley]
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Originally Posted By: reilley
Mayor Tim want a meeting to get a casino going ..... maybe he thinks there will be big money to hual the city out of debt..
He doesn't think, he knows there will be a lot of money for the city. Go Tim go.
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#539383 --- 03/09/07 04:45 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Okla.ndn]
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well your right , he knows , he has to convince others ...
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#539607 --- 03/10/07 07:05 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: Okla.ndn]
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Originally Posted By: Okla.ndn
Originally Posted By: reilley
Mayor Tim want a meeting to get a casino going ..... maybe he thinks there will be big money to hual the city out of debt..
He doesn't think, he knows there will be a lot of money for the city. Go Tim go.


No casino for you.

LOL
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#539707 --- 03/10/07 12:40 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Okla.ndn
Originally Posted By: reilley
Mayor Tim want a meeting to get a casino going ..... maybe he thinks there will be big money to hual the city out of debt..
He doesn't think, he knows there will be a lot of money for the city. Go Tim go.


No casino for you.

LOL
You just wish you had a say in it, but you don't. LOL
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#540118 --- 03/11/07 03:27 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Okla.ndn]
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Originally Posted By: Okla.ndn
You just wish you had a say in it, but you don't. LOL


Mayor Tim can get booted just like you booted your former "leader".
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#540436 --- 03/12/07 08:24 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070310/NEWS/703100315


Casino Roulette: Mohawks were first in line
March 10, 2007
Two decades ago, the Cabazon Banon of Mission Indians took California to the Supreme Court and won the right to have table games and high-stakes bingo in Palm Springs, paving the way for a new federal law and legal Indian casinos.

But now you can blame California tribes for the cold shoulder a Catskill casino is getting in Washington.

In 2006 alone, tribes there filed 10 applications. To date, 19 California tribes want to build casinos, and 14 of those are off-reservation casinos. California has more than 50 Indian casinos located on reservations.

Earlier this year, Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthrone dealt a spanking to all tribes with dreams of an off-reservation casino. Don't bet on approval, he told 42 tribes seeking casinos, including The St. Regis Mohawks, who want to build a casino at the Monticello Gaming & Raceway. In reality the Mohawks are caught in a backlash that is not of their making. The Mohawks submitted their original application for a casino at the track in 1999, the oldest on the books. In 2005 and 2006, though, tribes flooded the BIA with off-reservation proposals, attempting to beat new federal rules that might rule out any casino beyond 50 miles of the tribe's reservation. California has the most.

The Mohawks say they have enough support and a good case, on grounds of fairness, to gain approval.

But their biggest hurdle now is convincing Kempthorne of the difference.



The BIA's new chief
The Bureau of Indian Affairs has a new pit boss. Carl Artman, a member of the Wisconsin Oneidas, the same tribe that pursued a casino in Mamakating, was sworn in this month to a long-vacant post of assistant secretary of Indian Affairs. He'll oversee the day-to-day operations of the BIA. But he won't be making any decision on a Catskill casino.

Artman, a former lobbyist for the Wisconsin Oneidas, has recused himself from casino proposals in New York or Wisconsin, a BIA spokesman said.



Press feud of the day
Indian Country, a leading American Indian newspaper, is slamming New York metros for "vitriolic hate speech and libelous statements" in attacking the Mohawk project. The newspaper singled out The Post for an article calling attention to smuggling on the reservation and an editorial panning Gov. Eliot Spitzer's decision to approve the casino. "What the tribe seemed less prepared for was the obnoxious uproar from the court of public opinion that has an entire community of Indian people again defending itself against what amounts to a racist and ethnocentric defamation of character by the media," the editorial said.



Pay to play
Assemblywoman Annie Rabbitt, R-C, I-Greenwood Lake, has added her voice to the concerned politicians over a Mohawk casino. It's not that she opposes one. She wants Orange County to get a piece. "If the proposed casino is built, it is projected to bring in more than $100 million a year," said Rabbitt. "The residents of Orange County just want to make sure the infrastructure and vital services are adequate to handle the number of people that will flock to the casino. I don't think this is too much to ask for."

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#540926 --- 03/13/07 07:52 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: grinch]
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I don't know how anyone can look at the dump Niagara Falls NY is and think a casino can have a positive effect on a community. Niagara Falls is no better off than it was before the casino. The casino has run most locally family owned businesses out of business. The county is virtually bankrupt.

I guess the Mayor thinks that's a good idea.
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#542064 --- 03/15/07 09:59 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: justaxme]
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California has over 50 indian casinos and the state has budget deficits.
Buffalo has 2 indian casinos and it has budget deficits.
Oneida county has TS and has budget/high sales taxes issues.

A casino is not the answer.
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#542241 --- 03/15/07 02:47 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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And these problems were already there before the casinos were. So why do you think they will all just go away? Your right a casino isn't the answer to the problems but it's a start. You can blame us but that's not going to help fix anything.
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#543716 --- 03/18/07 10:50 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: Okla.ndn]
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Originally Posted By: Okla.ndn
You can blame us but that's not going to help fix anything.


Take your own words and apply it to your life.

You like to blame others for your problems.
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#543723 --- 03/18/07 11:01 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: grinch]
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Interesting interview:

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070318/NEWS/703180339

CR: What specific things is he concerned about?

CS: Precedent. If you could assure him that only one off-reservation casino to be built would be the one in Sullivan County, I think we would have a very good shot.

CR: So you want to have a face-to-face with Kempthorne?

CS: Yes. I know Gov. Spitzer was to have a face-to-face meeting, but that was canceled.

CR: You have talked to Kempthorne on the phone. What has he said?

CS: We've spoken three times. I do intend to talk with him in person. I've asked to have a face-to-face meeting, to gauge his body language. He says, "How do I allow for this one casino?" I've told all the casino people that we'll try to find the way this one can be approved. Maybe a specific exception, so that he isn't obligated to approve all the off-site casinos that come before him.

See if we can find some legal reason. Maybe because it's a small amount of land or that it's within the same state. Who knows?

CR: Would you bet on a casino getting approved in this administration?

CS: I don't know. There's another alternative. As a last resort I told him, if he makes up his mind to disapprove it, then just delay a decision and we'll leave it up to the next administration. But that's a last resort. It would sent it back at least one-and-a-half years.

CR: If Kempthorne says no, does that mean that a casino is dead?

In other words, what are the stakes in getting this done in the next few months?

CS: I don't know. Maybe reapply, try to figure out something. We're going to do everything we can to get this passed now.

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#544474 --- 03/19/07 01:37 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: dwarren]
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Also interesting:

March 19, 2007, 10:06 AM EDT

VERONA, N.Y. (AP) _ The Oneida Indian Nation turned a profit of more than $115 million last year from its casino and other businesses, according to a state report.

The nation is so profitable that even if none of its lands were put into trust and the nation had to pay property taxes, the nation's survival would not be jeopardized, concluded Gregg Jarrell, an economics and finance professor at the University of Rochester. Jarrell was hired by the state attorney general's office to review an environmental report prepared last year for the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs on the Oneida nation's land trust application.

The Oneidas have asked the federal government to take all their 17,370 acres into trust, which would exempt the land from taxes and local and state laws. A decision is expected by late summer.

Jarrell also estimated the nation's annual property tax bill at about $16.2 million.

Even if the nation had paid all taxes state officials say it should, the report indicates, the nation still would have turned a profit of at least $50 million.

"The conclusion of (the BIA report) was if they had to pay property taxes they would have to go bankrupt," Jarrell said. "That's just absurd. There is no way that paying property taxes is going to dramatically impact their wealth."

The nation's businesses, which include the Turning Stone casino and resort and a chain of gas station-convenience stores, are worth more than $2 billion, Jarrell estimated.

The Oneidas maintain they are a sovereign nation exempt from paying state and local taxes.

"They should have used a historian instead of an economist, because it's not an issue of dollars and cents. It's an issue of principle," said Oneida spokesman Mark Emery.

The BIA report said the Oneidas have made $38.5 million in payments to local governments since 1995. But Jarrell said that more than $10 million of that was for property improvements, such as water lines, that directly benefited the nation's development projects.

Local and state officials oppose the application, contending that putting Oneida land out of reach of local laws will create chaos and unfairly burden non-Indians with higher taxes.
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This is the first time I must agree with Mark Emery, it IS a matter of principle. We just have different principles.

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