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#719902 --- 12/30/07 03:20 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/238843.html

Casino no jackpot for Falls
Neighborhoods show little sign of benefit
By Denise Jewell Gee and Bill Michelmore - NEWS NIAGARA BUREAU
Updated: 12/29/07 7:57 AM

At night, the Seneca Niagara Casino & Hotel stands out as the brightest light on the Niagara Falls horizon.

But when it comes to stimulating activity in the surrounding neighborhoods, the casino complex casts a less impressive glow.
Since opening five years ago on New Year's Eve, the casino has become a city within a city. Today, a sprawling gambling floor is surrounded by a 604- room hotel, health spa and salon, six restaurants, four bars, a 2,200-seat events center and a variety of stores.

The 24 acres has just about everything one needs for entertainment, pleasure and nourishment, so it's no wonder the 8 million visitors a year mainly stay inside the complex.

Outside, on the blighted streets of Niagara Falls' inner city, many say the Seneca complex has been better at stifling growth than stimulating it.

Anyone who believes the Seneca casino planned for Buffalo's Cobblestone District will jump-start a dying downtown ought to take a look at the blocks that circle the gambling operation in Niagara Falls, critics say.

“You could build a wall around the casino and the hotel for all the good they do for neighboring businesses,” said Buffalo developer Carl A. Paladino, who is trying to redevelop the second-tallest building in Niagara Falls, a block from the casino.

Casino supporters point to the benefits: The City of Niagara Falls will receive $23 million this year alone in slot machine revenue from the Seneca Nation of Indians; the casino and hotel employ more than 2,900 people, more than two-thirds of whom live in Niagara and Erie counties; last year alone, the Seneca Gaming Corp.'s payroll for its Niagara Falls complex was more than $76 million.

But it's hard to see much of a spillover effect if you walk outside the casino two blocks in any direction, where houses are boarded up and businesses are struggling to survive.

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#719903 --- 12/30/07 03:22 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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HAVE CASINO SIGN - WILL TRAVEL - LOL

Tribe wants to put land for proposed casino in trust

Associated Press - December 29, 2007 12:25 PM ET
GROVE, Okla. (AP) - The Seneca-Cayuga Tribe has asked the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs to place into trust status land the tribe wants to use to build a proposed casino.

The move represents a shift for the tribe, which had said publicly for months that trust status for the land would not be necessary because it falls within the tribal historical jurisdictional area.

Under federal law, any land that a tribe intends to use for a casino must be put into trust.

The Miami-based tribe bought the 33-acre tract near Sail Boat Bridge west of Grove for more than $1 million. Plans are to build a 100,000-square-foot lakefront casino on the land.

The casino would cost $60 million to build and would have about 1,000 gambling machines. It would employ about 450 people and include a five-story hotel with 125 rooms, three restaurants and a convention center.

Information from: The Oklahoman, http://www.newsok.com

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#720053 --- 12/30/07 08:18 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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BZ: easy don't have a melt down. Truth does hurt doesn't it? Spin baby Spin. The UCE are tax dodgers. Complaining of others who are tax exempt.So in your eyes it's okay to dodge taxes as long as it is just a little. Seems i only advocated for development with the S.C. would you mind showing where they drained a trillion dollars.

BZ goes postal. lol
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#720422 --- 12/31/07 08:35 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
BZ: easy don't have a melt down.


????? doing fine here pal. No melt down.........


Originally Posted By: sworldt

Truth does hurt doesn't it? Spin baby Spin.


No need for me to spin as I am not the one looking for a casino.


Originally Posted By: swordlt
The UCE are tax dodgers.


And how much has the UCE cost NY?

It appears that the tribe wanted over a Billion dollars for their land claim but the Supreme Court shut that down.


One could conclude that the Taxpayers and the UCE saved NY $1.75 Billion by standing up to the tribes land claim.



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On their cross-appeal, the Cayugas ask that $1.75 billion, the full and correct amount of pre-judgment interest on the small mesne profits allowed, be awarded. In addition, they request actual ejectment, restoring them to their land.


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Originally Posted By: sworldt
Complaining of others who are tax exempt.



The tribes are not tax exempt on all levels but still refuse to pay.


Originally Posted By: sworldt

So in your eyes it's okay to dodge taxes as long as it is just a little.


You tell your tribe and all other tribes in NY to pay their overdue taxes and then there will be no need for the UCE.

Originally Posted By: sworldt

Seems i only advocated for development with the S.C.


And why ONLY the S.C. are you racists against the other tribes?
(or is your wife only a member of the SC?)



Originally Posted By: sworldt

would you mind showing where they drained a trillion dollars.


tribeS not tribe...........

And when will Okla build his museum in NY?



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Originally Posted By: sworldt
BZ goes postal. lol


Far from postal. Just pointing out the facts.


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#720641 --- 12/31/07 11:39 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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BZ: You wouldn't know a fact if it bite you in the as-. For one example my wife is NOT A MEMBER of any tribe. 2nd you already said 1 billion was drained now you claim you saved the tax payers $1.75 Billion .Which is it? I won't bother going on.As i said you wouldn't know a fact if you had to.But this is a free country so spew all you want.

BTW i also am NOT A MEMBER of any tribe,just a poor tax payer getting tired of increasing taxes and lack of jobs for our young people.If you and the UCE truly want to do us a favor.Why not go after a real problem. One that comes to mind is the N.A.F.T.A. act. that has cost this country millions of jobs and billions in lost economy.Now that even i would get on board with.

Got to go the fish are bitting.
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#722435 --- 01/02/08 08:53 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
BZ: You wouldn't know a fact if it bite you in the as-. For one example my wife is NOT A MEMBER of any tribe.


Is she not indian?

Originally Posted By: sworldt

2nd you already said 1 billion was drained


Over 1 billion is not paid by the tribes per year to NY state for taxes.


Originally Posted By: sworldt


now you claim you saved the tax payers $1.75 Billion .


Did the tribe not seek $1.75 billion for the land claim?
Has the land claim been thrown out by the court?


Are your taxes not increased when the tribes refuse to pay their share?

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#723430 --- 01/03/08 12:29 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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BZ: As i said you twist everything untill it is no longer fact. You will NOT drag me into an argument to keep your agenda alive. As i also said i'v moved on. I will not play your game. bye bye

BTW you have a good life
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#724095 --- 01/04/08 09:13 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: sworldt]
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Originally Posted By: sworldt
BZ: As i said you twist everything untill it is no longer fact. You will NOT drag me into an argument to keep your agenda alive. As i also said i'v moved on. I will not play your game. bye bye

BTW you have a good life


If a individual is an indian they need not be part of a tribe.

Why did you post a survey about your kids being "bothered" in school?


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#724574 --- 01/04/08 06:05 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Two Sullivan County casinos and trust land status was denied by Secretary of Interior Dirk Kempthorne for Monticello Raceway and at Bridgeville.

He refused to grant trust land status to the St. Regis Mohawks and the Stockbridge Munsee tribes.

Influenced and ignorant politicians in the Catskill area put on a good show of disappointment.

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#724582 --- 01/04/08 06:22 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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More good news: the Department of the Interior today issued letters to 22 separate tribes with pending applications to take land into trust.

o 11 tribes were informed that the Department of the Interior will not exercise its discretionary authority to take respective properties into trust.

o 11 other tribes were informed that their applications lacked complete information and cannot be acted upon by the Office of Indian Gaming.

The tribes were begging for final decisions, now they have them.

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#724872 --- 01/05/08 07:09 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Out of the 11 tribes that were DENIED are included:

Seneca Cayuga of Oklahoma, Miami, Oklahoma, Montezuma Parcel, 230 acres, Cayuga County, New York, 1500 miles from reservation
(awe - poor poor Okla)

St. Regis Band of Mohawks, Monticello Raceway, Monticello, NY, Sullivan County, 29.3 acres, 350 miles from reservation

Stockbridge Munsee of Wisconsin, Bowler, Wisconsin, Town of Thompson, NY, Sullivan County, 333 acres, 457 miles from reservation

Do NOT read anything more into this than what it states. i.e.: The New York Cayuga tribe's trust application

Tribes pushing for class III casinos were put on the fast track and politicians like Schumer and Spitzer were pushing hard to get an answer one way or the other. Well, they got their anwser.

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#724886 --- 01/05/08 07:33 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
HAVE CASINO SIGN - WILL TRAVEL - LOL

Tribe wants to put land for proposed casino in trust

Associated Press - December 29, 2007 12:25 PM ET
GROVE, Okla. (AP) - The Seneca-Cayuga Tribe has asked the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs to place into trust status land the tribe wants to use to build a proposed casino.

The move represents a shift for the tribe, which had said publicly for months that trust status for the land would not be necessary because it falls within the tribal historical jurisdictional area.

Under federal law, any land that a tribe intends to use for a casino must be put into trust.

The Miami-based tribe bought the 33-acre tract near Sail Boat Bridge west of Grove for more than $1 million. Plans are to build a 100,000-square-foot lakefront casino on the land.

The casino would cost $60 million to build and would have about 1,000 gambling machines. It would employ about 450 people and include a five-story hotel with 125 rooms, three restaurants and a convention center.

Information from: The Oklahoman, http://www.newsok.com



Okla- where is that museum that you were going to build?



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#724892 --- 01/05/08 07:35 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Two Sullivan County casinos and trust land status was denied by Secretary of Interior Dirk Kempthorne for Monticello Raceway and at Bridgeville.

He refused to grant trust land status to the St. Regis Mohawks and the Stockbridge Munsee tribes.

Influenced and ignorant politicians in the Catskill area put on a good show of disappointment.









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#724893 --- 01/05/08 07:37 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Out of the 11 tribes that were DENIED are included:

Seneca Cayuga of Oklahoma, Miami, Oklahoma, Montezuma Parcel, 230 acres, Cayuga County, New York, 1500 miles from reservation
(awe - poor poor Okla)



Okla - I will pay you 2 cents on the dollar for your NY land.







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#725180 --- 01/05/08 12:20 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians, but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

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Would it make more sense for spitzer to collect the unpaid taxes of over $895 million per year on cigarettes or receive $20 million from a casino?





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#725521 --- 01/05/08 09:27 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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See copies of the 11 rejection letters, starting with the three application rejections in New York State, here

http://www.indianz.com/docs/bia/bialetters010408.pdf

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#726151 --- 01/06/08 06:43 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Elaine Willman, the President of the Citizens Equal Rights Alliance has resigned to take a position with the Village of Hobart Wisconsin as Director of Development and Tribal Affairs.

The Hobart Village board opened the New Year by creating this new full time position to assist Hobart in its Community Development and to improve communications with the Oneida Tribe. She is known in Hobart from her September visit where she addressed the residents in a public forum on 2010 US Census and terrorism on reservations.

Elaine Willman brings with her significant background in Public Administration and knowledge of federal Indian policy, along with more than 20 years’ experience in community & economic development. Elaine has a MPA from CA State University, and is currently pursuing her doctorate in Public Policy.

CERA is an educational coalition that supports equal rights and constitutional protections for tribal and non-tribal residents living on reservations. Elaine is of Cherokee ancestry herself bringing a unique perspective to the position.

Elaine will be working closely with Village Administrator Joe Helfenberger, and will be reporting directly to the Village Board.

Note – the url under my posts goes to the CERA website.

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#726801 --- 01/07/08 08:53 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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When Turning Stone is rejected trust then will the state take it over? Or will it be up to the local government?
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#726860 --- 01/07/08 10:39 AM Re: Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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I never said that we were going to build a museum on the land in NY. I did agree with someone that building one sounded good. I did say that just owning the land would please me. So even without a casino I win, LOL. You said that you were going to leave NY. When can we wish you well in your new home state?
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#727223 --- 01/07/08 05:24 PM Re: Tribal News [Re: Okla.ndn]
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Originally Posted By: Okla.ndn
I did say that just owning the land would please me. So even without a casino I win, LOL.

Hello Okla: I'm glad you feel you won. All I and UCE ever wanted was an even playing field as equals. Now that the Seneca-Cayuga tribal government has exhausted its land claim, all appeals, and been refused trust status, I'd say that makes us equals in New York State. So we both won.

You might mention to the Seneca-Cayuga tribal government that they didn't have to spend the legal fees for lawsuits against the state, counties, and landowners for twenty five years, or sue the Town of Aurelius - which lawsuit they also lost, or travel all over the country trying to cut casino deals with the Town of Throop, or City of Rochester, or City of Auburn and I may have missed a few just to purchase a piece of property, comply with the zoning laws, and pay taxes on it. But, evidently they were doing that to please themselves, not you. I'm glad you're happy.

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