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#513695 --- 01/27/07 05:53 AM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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so are you starting to feel better?
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#513696 --- 01/27/07 05:56 AM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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I don't feel any different, I just don't hear the wheezing
anymore.
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#513697 --- 01/27/07 06:02 AM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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but that's a good thing did you do the Chantrix thing or whatever it's called It may be time for me and the little lady to start thinking about the possibility of quitting.
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#513698 --- 01/27/07 06:05 AM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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OH hell yes..I call it the miracle drug,makes you not even think of cigarettes..very weird but it works.
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#513699 --- 01/27/07 06:08 AM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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I'm very proud of you, Spencer!! three weeks is amazing!

And Ranger.....of COURSE it's time for you and Mrs. Ranger to START thinking about the POSSIBILITY of quitting!
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#513700 --- 01/27/07 06:21 AM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Thank you HP..it feels longer!!
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#513701 --- 01/27/07 12:11 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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3 weeks smoke free me!!




Good Job Spencer !

And Ranger quit , If i can you can
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#513702 --- 01/27/07 12:33 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Chantix Study Eligibility Criteria

A second factor that could significantly diminish Chantix's real-world performance rate is associated with the substantial percentage of smokers who applied to participate in each study and were denied.

In Gonzales 1,843 smokers were screened and 458 were excluded (25%), in Oncken 980 were screened and 333 excluded (34%), and in Jorenby 1,413 were screened and 386 excluded (27%). But why?

A partial list of those excluded includes those suffering from cardiovascular disease, alcohol abuse, major depression, panic disorder, systolic blood pressure greater than 150 or diastolic pressure greater than 95, a history of cancer, a body mass index (calculated as weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared) of less than 15 or higher than 38; weight less than 45kg, those with a "clinically significant medical disease," those over age 75 or younger than age 18, those smoking fewer than 10 cigarettes per day, and those known to have recently relapsed during NRT or Zyban quitting attempts.

Most within these groups reflect populations that have historically been the most challenging to assist in quitting, including youth who often smoke fewer than ten per day. Out in real-world conditions most will not be excluded from using Chantix, thus driving down Chantix real-world performance rates. If you are within any of the excluded groups your group was not studied and, as yet, we have no idea of your odds of success with Chantix.
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#513703 --- 01/27/07 12:35 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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In fact, it's already happening. Pfizer's May 11, 2006 Chantix press release fails to disclose that nearly 4 out of 5 Chantix clinical study participants relapsed to smoking. Instead it boasts, "In two identically designed studies, patients receiving a 12-week course of Chantix therapy (1 mg twice daily) nearly quadrupled the likelihood of quitting than those taking placebo."
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#513704 --- 01/27/07 12:36 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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OH hell yes..I call it the miracle drug,makes you not even think of cigarettes..very weird but it works.




Maybe real-world Chantix evaluation will someday prove it superior at one year over those quitting without it but from what we already know we shouldn't hold our breath. Until then what we can probably count on is the pharmaceutical industry working study design to its economic advantage, spinning results to foster unrealistic expectations, hiding each study's actual relapse rates, ignoring obvious blinding failures, boasting about odds ratio victories flowing from them, and proclaiming victory over foes who were not present.
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#513705 --- 01/27/07 12:45 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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If squishing herring between your toes gets you to quit i say go for it
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#513706 --- 01/27/07 01:11 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Way to go, I hope you continue
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#513707 --- 01/27/07 03:45 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Thanks..I plan on it anyways!!
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#513708 --- 01/30/07 10:09 AM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Good Job Spencer! I am proud of you.. Keep up the good work!
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#513709 --- 01/30/07 12:13 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Thank you QoP!
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#513710 --- 01/30/07 12:52 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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chattythree-thanks for the Chantix info. Interesting reading. Although I had checked it out on the web, I was more interested in side effects and exactly how the drug worked than the specifics on the success of the drug. I find that I have to agree with BH and Spencer. I started taking the Chantix almost 3 weeks ago and have not had a smoke in 6 days. If I make it through today it will be 7. I am by no means making myself crazy either. Like Spencer said, it is very strange. It's as though you, yourself don't have to do anything. The drug seems to take care of the urges & cravings. I have a whole unopened pack in my freezer at home. I have about 10 in an opened pack in my purse. I can smoke at any given time, but honestly, right now, I don't want to. I have tried many different things to quit previously and I have never had the success I have had so far. And did I mention, it's not making me crazy? That's the best thing! So, I will continue onward with my Chantix morning and night and see what happens. Hopefully, I continue as I have been the last 6 days.
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#513711 --- 01/30/07 01:00 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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keep going lote!!! You can do it!

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#513712 --- 01/30/07 01:37 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Keep going the strong will survive the urges, and the weak are always the weak.
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#513713 --- 01/30/07 03:48 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Thank you Jelloshot. I'm giving it my best shot! I'm still in shock (kind of) due to the fact that I haven't smoked in almost 7 days!
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#513714 --- 01/30/07 03:57 PM Re: Smokers/Addicts beware
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Keep going the strong will survive the urges, and the weak are always the weak.




I'm not quite sure what to make of this, especially 'the weak are always the weak'. I have successfully quit drinking & been successful losing weight, but neither of them compared to what I have gone through in the past when I tried to quit smoking. I must say, I never considered myself weak when I failed. Have you ever smoked and quit? Just curious. Anyway, thanks, (I think!) I'm going to keep going and I'm going to be strong to survive the urges!!! At least for today. I'm a one day at a time person and if I fail, I'll pick myself up, dust myself off and move forward surviving the next urge!
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