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#321628 --- 02/21/06 12:13 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
Keith38 Offline
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BUILD THE CASINO!!

If this place goes backwards much more, we'll be in the Stone Age.

Seriously, this place is slipping into oblivion and needs the tourists attracted and the jobs and income that the casino could provide.

Geeeeeessssshhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

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#321629 --- 02/21/06 02:05 PM Re: Sennett wants casino
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The sky is falling. LOL
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#321630 --- 02/21/06 02:07 PM Re: Sennett wants casino
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Keith38 go to the meeting and see for your self whats up.
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#321631 --- 02/21/06 02:24 PM Re: Sennett wants casino
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The casino/resort would employ about 2,200 workers - making it the county's largest employer - and generate a $65 million annual payroll
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#321632 --- 02/22/06 06:30 AM Re: Sennett wants casino
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The casino/resort would employ about 2,200 workers - making it the county's largest employer - and generate a $65 million annual payroll




Dream a happy dream...


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#321633 --- 02/22/06 06:32 AM Re: Tribe addicted to Casino............
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The casino/resort would employ about 2,200 workers - making it the county's largest employer - and generate a $65 million annual payroll




And how much would your tribe take in on profits each year?

A billion dollars???

LOL

It is no wonder you are pushing so hard for a casino.
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#321634 --- 02/22/06 07:57 AM Re: Tribe addicted to Casino............
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So what else is new Okla.?

After you lost your law suit to take over 60000 acres of land and eviction of the thousands of residents occupying that land the tune has changed. When you first started posting here you were adamant the tribe would not pay taxes, would not collect taxes, would not obey zoning and other laws designed to protect the public. Now you want cooperation.

We still are awaiting the final ruling of the Supreme Court which you have said many times does not matter as it will be up to Congress. As it was settled years ago and the Appeals court upheld those laws, the SC will not overrule the lower court. Congress will do the same as they have done in the past, nothing. Especially not after Abramoff.

The presentation presented last night is not materially different from failed attempts made in Aurelius, the Catskills, Rochester, the ferry and I believe Saugerties. The bribes to local governments continue as do the promises of jobs and riches for all.

The situation remains the same.

The courts have ruled in the past, Tribal Governments cannot bargain away their sovereignty. In the end any deals made will be ruled null and void because of that. You are caught in your own web.

There is a strong push for legislation barring "reservation" shopping" for the purposes of gambling and this certainly fits the bill. The mood of Congress is against this. Abramoff has exposed the whole corrupt scene.

Then there is IGRA which says land acquired after 1968 cannot be used for gambling purposes.

The Iroqouis Tribes in New York will vigorously object to an out of state Tribe being given such a deal and cutting into their profits. Particularly the Oneida Nation. With the Oneida Claim a potential Onondaga claim, the Mohawk and the Senecas, the state will not rock the boat. The State is on record they will not deal with an out of state Tribe.

There is more, but you have heard it all before.

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#321635 --- 02/23/06 01:14 AM Re: Tribe offers partnership
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Your right grinch I have heard it. And if you like post it over and over as much as you want. The Iroqouis Tribes in New York will fight but in the end the USA is only going be settling with all the Iroqouis. We have tried to work with the others and it's not as bad as you would like to think. You don't know what our standing is with the six Nations ,all you know at this time is hearsay. Now for our offer, all of you that support it need to step up. Or the grinch group will help tax you all out of New York.
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#321636 --- 02/23/06 05:34 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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Wilmorit and the indians want to be our partners. Yeah right!!! They get all the money and we get screwed!!! Let's try to attract REAL jobs and quit trying to attract losers to the area. Between all the casinos and prisons we have, we will be the one stop area for all the losers!!!
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#321637 --- 02/23/06 05:55 AM Re: Sennett wants casino
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The casino/resort would employ about 2,200 workers - making it the county's largest employer - and generate a $65 million annual payroll




If you want your kids to grow up to be blackjack dealers or room cleaners, it will be great!!!!
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#321638 --- 02/23/06 11:38 PM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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Registered: 01/19/03
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Loc: Greeneville, TN
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BUILD THE CASINO!!

If this place goes backwards much more, we'll be in the Stone Age.

Seriously, this place is slipping into oblivion and needs the tourists attracted and the jobs and income that the casino could provide.

Geeeeeessssshhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!




Keith: there are many people against casinos. I'm NOT one of them, nor is UCE opposed to casinos. We're for equality under the law. IF it ever becomes legal for all, regardless of race, to open casinos, we'll cease pointing out disparities in the law.

I placed written questions at the desks of the Town Board at the meeting. NO questions were answered that night.

My number one question to the Town Board was: Will the tribe relinquish all rights to put additional lands into trust in exchange for this present proposal? If not, there is nothing that anyone can do to prevent the tribe from purchasing additional surrounding lands in perpetuity and filing for trust status. Over time, they could purchase the whole town. Remember, they won’t have to make “deals” for any additional lands.

I hope the town realizes, that includes ALL of the land and businesses the tribe will be starting and promising to pay taxes on. The tribe states they are ONLY requesting that 100 of the 400 acres be placed into trust, for the casino. But, unless they relinquish their right through an act of Congress, they can request trust status for the rest of their properties at any time - after the first trust application gets approved - ten years from now - fifty years from now - whenever a chief gets elected with a different outlook. Plus they can purchase additional surrounding lands and request trust status for them as well. The Town will only be allowed thirty days notice to respond.

The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act allowed tribes to open gambling operations in any state that allowed such operations. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that if a state had "Vegas night" laws allowed for non-profit organizations, then Indians could open casinos. Congress has failed to correct the "discrepancy". Connecticut has repealed their Vegas Night law to ban any future casinos.

In Aurelius, they didn't come to town offering to pay any taxes. They refused to pay taxes for three years until they were about to be foreclosed upon. They refused to comply with local zoning and land use laws and cost the town tens of thousands of dollars. One thing that was pointed out, even if issues were agreed to - any dispute would have to be resolved in federal court and many agreements could be moot because it could cost $50,000 to resolve each dispute. The TRIBE sued the Town http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/courtweb/pdf/D02NYNC/04-06109.pdf They're not as "friendly" as they're making out to be.

If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

It's up to the Sennett Town Board to represent the residents of Sennett. There's nothing I could do to stop the people of Sennett from getting whatever they ask for.

However, the BIA has to approve any casino and their input comes from neighboring tribes. Years ago, George Skibine told me the Seneca-Cayuga were considered an out of state tribe, the other tribes are opposed to it and they're not going to get it.

If the U.S. Supreme Court fails to hear the Cayuga case - which I believe we should know by May, the land claim is DOA. Hense - no land claim - no settlement to make - no casino. If they do take up the case, UCE will be filing an amicus brief to drive another nail in the coffin. If you're a member, you should be getting a newsletter on this before the March 1st BIA hearing.

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#321639 --- 02/24/06 12:18 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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More of the same crap Dick. You know as well as I do even if the court doesn't hear the land claim case it's not DOA. LOL
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#321640 --- 02/24/06 06:37 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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Isn't this how terrorists operate?

"Nonetheless, officials on all sides figure nothing will happen Wednesday. And for some who fear a reprise of 1990s violence by Indians the last time the state tried to collect taxes, that's just as well." AuburnPub.com

This is something to look forward to. Living in fear!!!
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#321641 --- 02/24/06 07:03 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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isnt the freedom from the fear of violence the reason we have the NY National guard ?
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#321642 --- 02/24/06 07:22 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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You know as well as I do even if the court doesn't hear the land claim case it's not DOA. LOL




Then why are you so eager to get a casino built if it is not DOA?


LOL


It sounds like to me that you are just trying to 'bribe' some small local government to have them rally behind you for a casino. That would look good in front of the BIA...


Promise the small local government "The pie in the sky" and use them for a land into trust application.


LOL

It is interestiing that before the meeting you said it would be a 200 million dollar casino but at the meeting the price went to 400 million...???? Why not say it would be a billion dollar entity.???

LOL
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#321643 --- 02/24/06 08:11 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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I am sure the Oneida will have a reason why they stiffed the contractor who in turn stiffed the sub contractors. Whether or not they have a legitimate reason is not my point. Indian sovereignty and how it is miss used is.



Suit against Oneida nation dismissed
Friday, February 24, 2006
By Alaina Potrikus
Staff writer
A state judge ruled Thursday the Oneida Indian Nation can invoke sovereign immunity to dismiss a lawsuit filed by subcontractors who worked on the tribe's Turning Stone Resort and Casino expansion.

U.S. Foodservice, a Maryland kitchen supply company, filed the suit in state Supreme Court in September, saying it is owed more than $880,000.

On Thursday, Justice John Grow granted the nation's request to invoke sovereign immunity, saying Indian tribes cannot be sued in state court. He suggested U.S. Foodservice sue the general contractor to get reimbursed.

"You're dealing with a foreign nation here," Grow said before rendering his decision. "You cannot bring an action against a foreign nation that hasn't waived sovereign immunity."

Lawyers for U.S. Foodservice said the subcontractor has the same rights to sue the nation as the general contractor, Hunt Construction Co., which was paid $93 million to build the Lodge and Tower hotels, the 5,100-seat Event Center and the atrium that links several resort buildings, according to documents filed with the lawsuit.

"We stand in their shoes," said Michael Silverstein, the New York lawyer who filed the U.S. Foodservice case. "We're not asking for a windfall; we're asking to be compensated."

The nation gave Hunt a waiver of sovereign immunity, making the general contractor the only party with the ability to sue. The construction contract also specifically allows the nation to claim sovereign immunity in suits filed by subcontractors.

"Everyone came into the project with their eyes wide open," said nation general counsel Peter Carmen in court in Rome on Thursday.

U.S. Foodservice is one of 10 subcontractors that filed liens in Oneida County last year over work done on the casino expansion. The liens total nearly $8 million. Alaina Potrikus can be reached at apotrikus@syracuse.com or 470-3252

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#321644 --- 02/24/06 08:15 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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Does anyone know how the contractor who was stiffed by Wilmot on the Seneca Cayuga land made out? Was he ever paid, if so by who? If I recall correctly the contractor filed for a lien over unpaid bills for site preperation on the land the Seneca Cayuga own in Aurelius.

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#321645 --- 02/24/06 09:23 AM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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Man, a license to steal!!!! They don't care about anything or anyone. I think I'll check my genealogy. I want one of those licences to steal (land trusts) too!!!!!!
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#321646 --- 02/24/06 12:02 PM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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By The Associated Press
Friday, February 24, 2006 9:49 AM EST



ALBANY - Come Wednesday, state government will be breaking the law and begin costing taxpayers millions of dollars by choosing not to enforce legislation that would end the huge sales advantage that Indian tribes have over taxpaying competitors off reservations, said Attorney General Eliot Spitzer.

"The current tax laws are being ignored," said Spitzer, the state's lawyer. "The new law goes into effect automatically on March 1 ... regardless of what the tax department does."

"This is a dangerous precedent," said state Sen. Raymond Meier, a Utica Republican whose district includes the Oneida tribe's Turning Stone Casino.If people are able to say that "We are going to ignore the law and try to negotiate a different legal framework with the state,' it's an invitation to anarchy.

"I know of no other body of law where the executive branch would say the Legislature is considering something, so we will ... suspend the law in the meantime," Meier said Thursday.

In 2005, 9.5 billion packs of cigarettes were sold in New York state without being taxed or stamped. That was up from 4.3 billion in 2000, according to Spitzer's staff. It estimates lost taxes to the state and New York City total about $300 million a year, while costing off-reservation retailers untold customers.

The state Department of Taxation and Finance said it won't enforce the new law requiring Indian tribes to pay the state's rising cigarette taxes for sales to non-Indians through its massive Internet site and at reservation stores. Instead, Commissioner Andrew Eristoff said he'll wait to see if the Legislature agrees with Gov. George Pataki to again delay enforcement by a year - a delay the Democrat-led Assembly already rejects.


Nonetheless, officials on all sides figure nothing will happen Wednesday. And for some who fear a reprise of 1990s violence by Indians the last time the state tried to collect taxes, that's just as well.

As written, the law this time is aimed not at the tribes - whose leaders say they are shielded from collecting state taxes as sovereign nations - but at the large commercial tax and stamping agents licensed by the state.

The wholesalers are compelled by the law to stop selling untaxed, unstamped cigarettes to tribes. The Pataki administration's role under the law is to provide coupons, already printed up, that would allow Indians to avoid taxes on the cigarettes they buy for their own personal use.

Tax Department spokesman Tom Bergen said Tuesday he didn't know if the cigarette wholesalers will adhere to the law and stop providing untaxed, unstamped cigarettes to tribes - the biggest Indian customer being the Senecas in western New York.



Normally, the state Taxation and Finance Department would take action against those lucrative licenses if a wholesaler failed to follow state law.

The next tier of action after Wednesday could be lawsuits, by non-Indian retailers against the state or by the state Attorney General's Office against wholesalers.

"The tax stamping agents are required to comply with the law" when it takes effect automatically Wednesday, said Spitzer, who is the front-runner in the governor's race. "If they don't, then the tax department should initiate proceedings to pull their stamping licenses."

A major tax stamp company, Harold Levinson Associates of Farmingdale, didn't respond to a request for comment on what the company will do. Seneca spokeswoman Susan L. Asquith said the tribe feels the law doesn't begin Wednesday and doesn't know what wholesalers will do.

"We do not expect to begin enforcement on March 1," Eristoff stated in testimony before the Legislature at a Feb. 15 budget hearing. "As a matter of practical administration, we think it would be premature to begin implementing at the same time that the Legislature is reviewing substantive amendments to the law."

But the Legislature apparently isn't.

"No one is considering it seriously," said Assemblyman Alexander "Pete" Grannis, a New York City Democrat and the chamber's leader on the issue. "March 1, they are violating the law," he said of the Pataki administration.

"We believe this new approach is a workable, legal, nonintrusive approach as it relates to the sovereignty of the Indian Nations," Grannis said.

AP-ES-02-23-06 1256EST
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#321647 --- 02/24/06 12:31 PM Re: Town wants casino
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Does anyone know how the contractor who was stiffed by Wilmot on the Seneca Cayuga land made out? Was he ever paid, if so by who? If I recall correctly the contractor filed for a lien over unpaid bills for site preperation on the land the Seneca Cayuga own in Aurelius.


LOL. When the truth doesn't work you fire up the rumor mill. grinch give us the facts or go back under your rock. LOL
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