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#321608 --- 02/18/06 09:36 AM Sennett wants tribe to give casino detai
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By Amaris Elliott-Engel / The Citizen
Friday, February 17, 2006 10:29 AM EST

Public hearings with presentations from the leadership of the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma will be scheduled after next week's presentation to the Sennett Town Board by the tribe over their proposed $200 million casino resort complex on Route 34.

“This is the first step in a 3,000-mile journey,” said Sennett Town Supervisor David Sikora.

Sikora is excited about the tribe's “blockbuster” pitch that he has heard includes multiple economic development activities, including ethanol production, besides a gaming resort.

The tribe has also proposed giving up its land claim rights for $1, paying all taxes on the facility, paying 25 percent of slot-machine revenue to the state and paying $5 million for a period of 20 years to be divided between Cayuga County, the city of Auburn, the town of Sennett and the Weedsport Central School District.

But Sikora and other town council members aren't making up their minds until they know the details.

Seneca-Cayuga Chief Paul Spicer and other officials will make the presentation after old business is taken care of at the 7 p.m. meeting at the Sennett Town Hall at 6931 Cherry Street Road.

Sikora recommended that members of the public interested in attending the meeting arrive early, because an overflow crowd will not be allowed in the building.

Staff writer Amaris Elliott-Engel can be reached at 253-5311 ext. 282 or at amaris.elliot-engel@lee.net

http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2006/02/17/news/local_news/news06.txt
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#321609 --- 02/18/06 10:59 AM Re: Sennett wants tribe to give casino detai
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"....paying all taxes on the facility...."

Now does that mean for always or just until they can put it to trust?
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#321610 --- 02/18/06 11:07 AM Re: Sennett wants tribe to give casino detai
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lol just lol until lol it lol goes lol into lol trust lol if lol it lol ever lol does lol. lol the lol only lol reason lol they lol paid lol the lol taxes lol is lol it lol is lol a requirement lol before lol the lol land lol can lol be lol put lol in lol that lol status lol.
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#321611 --- 02/18/06 11:12 AM Re: Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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"....paying all taxes on the facility...."

Now does that mean for always or just until they can put it to trust?




I haven't seen any details on this either,but the past deal called for a waiver of soveriegn immunity in regards to the development.Which opens the tribe up to enforcement on the details of the agreement and the state compact on all issues.
But also remember in order to be fair we need to give the tribe an avenue of enforcement in case the county or others don't live up to their end.
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#321612 --- 02/18/06 11:22 AM Re: Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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"....paying all taxes on the facility...."

Now does that mean for always or just until they can put it to trust?


That would be for as long as we have a pact with the state.
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#321613 --- 02/18/06 12:39 PM Re: Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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Quote:

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"....paying all taxes on the facility...."

Now does that mean for always or just until they can put it to trust?


That would be for as long as we have a pact with the state.




Hi Okla. Another question. Do these taxes that will be paid amount to what the taxes on the UNdeveloped land are to be held at that rate, or will they take into account appreciation as the land becomes developed and accept the town assessor's taxes assessed increases?

It's quite generous of you to offer $1 to settle the land claim that you lost. However, ANOTHER question, would this offer INCLUDE relinquishing rights to apply for ADDITIONAL trust lands in New York State? Maybe you'd like to purchase the whole town of Sennett.

Point for others to consider - the first step would be to put it into trust. If the state doesn't agree to let them have a (class 3) casino, no taxes get paid and they can still do whatever they want minus the (class 3) casino. i.e.: Class 2 casino, like the Cayuga had. Ethenol plant that Seneca turned down? Another dump? - without NYS DEC oversight? Maybe a medical waste burning plant? How about another shopping mall - tax exempt - like one tribe did outside of Marysville, California? There are places in California they've had "issues" with open burning on tribal lands next to non-tribal lands. Oh that's right, there are NO federal laws against that. All of the above and more? Wow, think of the job opportunities and economic development. Cheap cigs and gas with no state taxes or local sales tax, compliments of King George Pataki! I'm amazed the Mayor of Auburn isn't trying to offer them downtown.

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#321614 --- 02/18/06 02:17 PM Re: Tribe Addicted to Casino..LOL..LOL..
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Quote:

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"....paying all taxes on the facility...."

Now does that mean for always or just until they can put it to trust?


That would be for as long as we have a pact with the state.




They will pay taxes until the casino is built and then they will refuse to pay after that. The city that the casino may be located in will have to go to court to get any money after that or to impose any local laws.

Okla - where is your museum???????

Okla- what about the 15 million that you were going to 'give' to the local government????


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#321615 --- 02/18/06 03:09 PM Re: Tribe Addicted to Casino..LOL..LOL..
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..."If the Oklahoma tribe wins a casino compact in New York, it could set a precedent not only in this state but for the entire country, said an Indian law expert.

"If (federal officials) were to approve this, it would affect any removed Indian nation that may want to return to their homeland," said Robert Odawi Porter, a Seneca lawyer who heads the indigenous law center at Syracuse University...
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#321616 --- 02/18/06 03:14 PM Re:Tribe Addicted to Casino..LOL..LOL..
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Why build one - just buy Turning Stone when it goes up for sale.!!


LOL
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#321617 --- 02/18/06 04:31 PM Re:Tribe Addicted to Casino..LOL..LOL..
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Won't work. Spicer should not waste the time and Wilmot's money. The current mood of congress does not support such a venture if it ever did. Pombo will be of no help as he is tainted. Abramoff sound familiar? The State of NY does not traffic with out of state Tribes as they have too many problems with the Cayuga, Oneida, Seneca and Mohawk that need to be addressed. They would be ill advised to add another problem and they know it. To the local people, the millions being talked about is your money. You don't really believe the Seneca Cayuga or Wilmot for that matter plan to give millions to this area out of their pocket?




Edited by grinch (02/18/06 04:55 PM)

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#321618 --- 02/18/06 04:59 PM Re: Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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Dick i don't have the answers you ask for, but be at the meeting and they will get answered.
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#321619 --- 02/18/06 05:15 PM Re:Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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grinch if you didn't notice it will be also be a land claim settlement agreement.
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#321620 --- 02/18/06 05:40 PM Re:Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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What land claim?

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#321621 --- 02/18/06 07:31 PM Re:Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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Yeah, a $1 to drop the land claim -- what land claim.

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#321622 --- 02/18/06 08:31 PM Re:Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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You people are ridiculous. I dont know anyone that would rather have empty farm land, which does not contribute much to the tax roll. A casino will bring about 500-1000 jobs to the area. ECONOMIC IMPACT could be BILLIONS. You need to wake up and smelllll the freaking coffee.

Or we could just stay the way we are and let the land be vacant and more people can move here and sign up for medicaid.

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#321623 --- 02/19/06 07:05 AM Re:Sennett wants tribe to give casino d
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Well as I look at it that farm land is still New York State Land, part of the USA. If the Seneca Cayuga were to succeed in securing a compact, get state BIA approval and have the land TAKEN INTO TRUST it no longer will be State land and will become part of the Seneca Cayuga Nations holdings. To give away political control of the land in exchange for jobs is short cited. This is not about jobs, it is far more than that. Spend a little time reading what the word soveriegnty, particularly what it means for an Indian Tribe. You might view this proposal in a different light.

There are some who believe they should give up everything, their land, their rights their quality of life for a job. True we need jobs in the area, but at what price? Those proposed jobs will cost you more than you will gain.

By the way, I do not believe Indian Tribes provide Medicaid, that is a state law and tribes are not subject to state laws. Nor are they subject to workmens compensation, unemployment insurance, liablity, can't sue them, they can sue you and on and on. I also believe any farmer will take exception to the fact their farm land is empty, and they contribute "very little" to the tax base.


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#321624 --- 02/19/06 01:22 PM Re: Sennett wants tribe to give casino detai
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..The tribe has also proposed giving up its land claim rights for $1...




Thank you Okla for proving to me that the land claim was NEVER about the land but it has always been about a CASINO.!

(p.s. - I have known that it was about a casino along. Have you seen Abramoff or Pombo???..........LOL)
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#321625 --- 02/19/06 01:32 PM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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... paying all taxes on the facility,...




You will have to take them to court to get the tax money-LOL
What about the sales taxes???

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... paying 25 percent of slot-machine revenue to the state and paying $5 million for a period of 20 years to be divided between Cayuga County, the city of Auburn, the town of Sennett and the Weedsport Central School District.




Is this $5 million to be spread out over 20 years or is this per year?


Okla where is the $15 million that you offered before to open a casino??? .......LOL

What happens after the the 20 years expires?

(let me guess- no taxes to be paid---LOL)


Does Sennett have sales taxes as high as as the county for TS ??? ........LOL
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#321626 --- 02/19/06 01:36 PM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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Okla - do you expect King Ray to send a bus load of his employees to the meeting to block your casino deal???

Get out your red shirts...


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#321627 --- 02/20/06 11:41 PM Re: Tribe wants casino deal.....no deal
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This is what the people in Ulster and Seneca Counties thought of the Seneca-Cayuga offer.

http://www.nosaugertiescasino.org

http://www.casinofreesullivancounty.com/

If it's so good, why don't THEY want it?

And the opposition keeps growing:

Buffalo-Niagara Partnership (BNP; see http://www.thepartnership.org/
or see their statement at http://www.nocasinoerie.org/buffniag.htm

Citizens Against Casino Gambling in Erie County
(CACGEC; see http://NoCasinoErie.org/

Citizens Against Gambling in the Thousand Islands Region
http://www.whynocasino.org

Citizens Against Casino Gambling in Erie County
http://www.nocasinoerie.org/

Citizens for Common Sense (CCS; see http://www.buffaloconventioncenter.org/
or see their statement at http://www.nocasinoerie.org/ccs.htm

Citizens Opposed to New Casinos in Established Residential Neighborhoods
(CONCERN; see article at
http://www.cheektowagatimes.com/News/2003/0918/Front_Page/004.html

Coalition Against Casino Gambling (of the Catskills; CACG; see articles at
http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2001/07/12/onssuit.htm or
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Oct-25-Thu-2001/news/17300362.html

Constitution Party of New York (CPNY; see http://www.nyconstitutionparty.com

Eastern Niagara Citizens Opposed to Casino Gambling
(ENCOCG;

Green Party of Erie County (GPEC; see http://www.eriecountygreens.org/
or see their statement at http://www.nocasinoerie.org/greenpr1.htm

New Millenium Group (NMG; of Buffalo; see http://www.nmgonline.org/
or see their statement at http://www.nocasinoerie.org/nmgpr1.htm

Niagara Falls Concerned Citizens About Casinos (NFCCAC; see brief
article at http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/1996/12/02/daily6.html

NoCasino (NC; Thousand Islands;

Coalition Against Casino Gambling in New York (CAGNY) http://www.cagnyinf.org/

SAVE THE EAST END - STOP THE SHINNECOCK CASINO
http://www.savetheeastend.org/

Senecas Against Casinos (SAC; see articles at
http://gamingmagazine.com/managearticle.asp?c=170&a=55 and
http://www.gamma-seven.com/news/may2002/all/casino/5-12-2002.shtml \l "2"

Stop the Casino in Hampton Bays
http://www.stopcasino.net/

Ulster County Citizens Against Casino Gambling (UCCACG; see
http://www.shawangunkridge.org/casinos.htm

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