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#304682 --- 01/21/06 08:05 AM Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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Seneca-Cayugas pay $17K tax bill


By The Citizen
Friday, January 20, 2006 9:52 AM EST



The Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma has paid over $17,000 in town and county taxes the tribe owes on the three parcels it owns in Aurelius at the intersection of Route 90 and Route 5 and 20, Aurelius Town Clerk Debbie Pinckney said.

The tribe paid $9,558.20, $5,475.44 and $2,395.50 respectively for each parcel. The tribe also paid $14,687.84 it owed in school taxes in October, Pinckney said.

In August, the tribe paid the roughly $70,000 in back taxes owed on the parcels it once slated for a major casino.

The tribe also owns a parcel in the town of Montezuma.



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#304683 --- 01/22/06 09:41 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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So far everything the Seneca Cayugas said they would do is done.
I agree thank you and now let's start some economic development together.So everyone can benefit.
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#304684 --- 01/22/06 10:53 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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Good glad to hear this.

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#304685 --- 01/23/06 05:41 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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See how well it works when everyone works TOGETHER? That's all I want to see. Fair and EQUAL treatment and meeting responsibilities as landowners.
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#304686 --- 01/23/06 08:28 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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See how well it works when everyone works TOGETHER? That's all I want to see. Fair and EQUAL treatment and meeting responsibilities as landowners.




That's all that I ask, too.
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#304687 --- 01/23/06 10:23 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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See how well it works when everyone works TOGETHER? That's all I want to see. Fair and EQUAL treatment and meeting responsibilities as landowners.




That's all that I ask, too.




Than there should be no problem.As long as any agreement protects ALL parties involved.
We have been fighting this what seems to be forever.As Sherrill was awaited everyone expected an end.No way all Sherrill did was to reroute this matter into yet another series of legal battles.There will be no end untill all parties agree.
And as always this is only my humble opinion.
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#304688 --- 01/23/06 06:00 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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I see now why they paid their taxes As reported on the radio this morning, their purchased land can't be put into trust if there are back taxes due on the property. I'm sure if you ask Mike Smith he can verify what I stated as the way the news report went. Seeing I heard it over his station. So it isn't all out of the goodness of their heart, there are compelling reasons for them doing so.
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#304689 --- 01/23/06 07:07 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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I see now why they paid their taxes As reported on the radio this morning, their purchased land can't be put into trust if there are back taxes due on the property. I'm sure if you ask Mike Smith he can verify what I stated as the way the news report went. Seeing I heard it over his station. So it isn't all out of the goodness of their heart, there are compelling reasons for them doing so.




Actually that was reported awhile back,but i don't Know if the s.c. have applied for trust status.Maybe okla could answer that one.
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#304690 --- 01/24/06 12:02 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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I see now why they paid their taxes




We covered this months ago when they paid their THREE YEAR DELINQUENT TAXES to keep from being foreclosed upon. At the same time the New York tribes were notified that no trust applications would be considered if there were any tax liens against them.

The S-C have stated they will push for trust status to try and get a casino here if they don't get the casino King George offered them in the Catskills. See - isn't preserving their culture all they really want? Hmmmmm.

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#304691 --- 01/24/06 04:20 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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By The Citizen
Friday, January 20, 2006 9:52 AM EST

The Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma has paid over $17,000 in town and county taxes the tribe owes on the three parcels it owns in Aurelius at the intersection of Route 90 and Route 5 and 20, Aurelius Town Clerk Debbie Pinckney said.

The tribe paid $9,558.20, $5,475.44 and $2,395.50 respectively for each parcel. The tribe also paid $14,687.84 it owed in school taxes in October, Pinckney said.

In August, the tribe paid the roughly $70,000 in BACK taxes owed on the parcels it once slated for a major casino.

The tribe also owns a parcel in the town of Montezuma.



Thank you for being good neighbors....




Short term memory lose?????

Have you not forgot that the tribe wanted to evict you from your home??? Does this sound like a good neighbor???
Why did the tribe not pay its taxes for three years??? Does this sound like a good neighbor???
Why did it take a court ruling for them to pay their taxes???? Does this sound like a good neighbor???
How much tax payer money was/will be wasted to spend time in court for every issue the tribe refuses to obey??
The only reason that the tribe has paid is to put the land into trust. Why do you think that they want the land into trust??? To build a museum??? or TO BUILD A CASINO???
They do not need trust land for a museum.

Spicer has repeatedly said they will build a casino.
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#304692 --- 01/24/06 09:59 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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LOL you got the taxes now what do you want? Does this sound like a good neighbor??? See every time we give you want more and more. Does this sound like a good neighbor??? See now that we are all paid up the UCE will make up stories about us. Does this sound like a good neighbor???
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#304693 --- 01/24/06 10:20 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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I see now why they paid their taxes As reported on the radio this morning, their purchased land can't be put into trust if there are back taxes due on the property. I'm sure if you ask Mike Smith he can verify what I stated as the way the news report went. Seeing I heard it over his station. So it isn't all out of the goodness of their heart, there are compelling reasons for them doing so.


Do you pay your taxes? If so what is the compelling reasons for doing so?
So I take it you pay your taxes out of the goodness of your heart. We have not filed to have any land in New York placed in trust. We are going to file at some point but at this time we are not sure what land we will file on. Nothing has changed as we have said we want a class III gaming pact. If we don't get a pact then we will still file on the land we own. We will do as the court said to do.
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#304694 --- 01/24/06 10:22 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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I see now why they paid their taxes




We covered this months ago when they paid their THREE YEAR DELINQUENT TAXES to keep from being foreclosed upon. At the same time the New York tribes were notified that no trust applications would be considered if there were any tax liens against them.

The S-C have stated they will push for trust status to try and get a casino here if they don't get the casino King George offered them in the Catskills. See - isn't preserving their culture all they really want? Hmmmmm.




Imagine this i don't recall that statement being made by the Seneca Cayuga,but do remember a similar statement made by the Cayuga's.Settle this Dick and bring the article in here that you got that from will you.
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#304695 --- 01/24/06 11:16 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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Short term memory lose?????

Thats the idea start off by insulting me to get me to believe you.

Have you not forgot that the tribe wanted to evict you from your home??? Does this sound like a good neighbor??? nope. sounds like someone trying to scare me into doing what they want

Why did the tribe not pay its taxes for three years??? Does this sound like a good neighbor??? dont care what the reason was only that they now have.


Why did it take a court ruling for them to pay their taxes???? Does this sound like a good neighbor??? again dont care why only that they did


How much tax payer money was/will be wasted to spend time in court for every issue the tribe refuses to obey?? dont know. more then it should I would guess


The only reason that the tribe has paid is to put the land into trust. Why do you think that they want the land into trust??? To build a museum??? or TO BUILD A CASINO???
They do not need trust land for a museum. I certinally do not want the land put to trust. I just want them to pay taxes like the rest of us do. So long as they do that I will be more then happy to support them..other then gambling. To me that is a waste of money but whatever to each their own. Sounds to me you just do not want a casino built. If it generates taxes what is the big deal?

Spicer has repeatedly said they will build a casino.



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#304696 --- 01/25/06 11:03 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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Destiny delayed until developer, city agree on taxes

By The Associated Press
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:03 AM EST

SYRACUSE - Attorneys for a proposed multibillion dollar megamall accused Syracuse city officials of being “obstructionists” Tuesday, and asked a judge to force the city to sign a 30-year tax deal that would allow

the much-delayed project to

begin.

State Supreme Court Justice John Centra listened to nearly three hours of arguments but reserved a decision on The Pyramid Cos. lawsuit accusing the administration of Syracuse Mayor Matt Driscoll of acting “capriciously and illegally” in not executing a payment-in-lieu-of-taxes agreement, or PILOT.

The city said the pending deal expired when Pyramid failed to meet its terms by a Dec. 31 deadline. Among those failures, the city said, was inadequate financing.

“They keep moving the goal posts,” Robert Smith, one of Pyramid's attorneys, told Centra.

The city agreed in 2000 to give developer Robert Congel's company a 30-year property tax exemption if it added at least 800,000 square feet of leasable space to the existing Carousel Center mall in Syracuse.

Congel said the expansion was the first phase of transforming the mall into Destiny USA, a

multibillion dollar entertainment and shopping complex to

rival Minnesota's Mall of America.

The company boasts it would be the world's largest green complex, operated entirely on renewable energy sources.

The megamall was supposed to have been completed by June 2004, but has been at a standstill, mired in politics and bickering during the administration of Driscoll, who has said he's concerned the project involves too much public money and too little risk to the developer.

To qualify for the PILOT, Pyramid needed to secure its financing for the expansion and meet other requirements by the end of 2005, when a previous 15-year PILOT for Carousel Center expired.

Pyramid secured a $375 million financing package in July from Citigroup that consisted of a $175 million bank loan to build the retail space and $200 million in bonds issued by the Syracuse Industrial Development Agency for public improvements.

Corporation Counsel Terri Bright told Centra that city officials believe the Citigroup package will require Pyramid to use some of the bond money for construction costs. The bonds are paid off by the developer, but with money from the PILOT payments, Bright said.

Bright said the PILOT money is public money and has constraints on how it can be used. It must be used for roads, utilities and infrastructure improvements, not for building individual stores and restaurants.

She also questioned why Pyramid did not begin the expansion in 2004 after obtaining a $340 million loan from Deutsche Bank of Germany that did not require issuing any bonds.

Pyramid attorneys said the city has tried to force the developer to renegotiate a new tax deal, more to the city's “current liking.”

Smith told Centra that Pyramid had met all the PILOT requirements, including the city's financing conditions.

Centra also heard from Onondaga County Attorney Anthony Rivizzigno, who said the county was satisfied that Pyramid's financing package was sufficient and the developer had met all the requirements of the tax deal.


How about this loop hole.talk about tax evasion.Why doesn't the UCE say something about these kind of deals?
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#304697 --- 01/26/06 12:09 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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Again, as you've been told many times: there's nothing stopping you, the tribe, nor anyone else. We don't oppose THESE kind of tax deals BECAUSE EVERYONE is EQUAL under the law. i.e. EVERYONE

http://patriotfilesannex.org/Pledge.htm

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#304698 --- 01/26/06 10:36 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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That tax break is only for the rich and you know it Dick. You can say theres only one Nation as many times as you like. You can post it as many times as you like. But it doesn't change a thing. The Cayuga Nation is back home to stay.
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#304699 --- 01/26/06 11:52 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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Again, as you've been told many times: there's nothing stopping you, the tribe, nor anyone else. We don't oppose THESE kind of tax deals BECAUSE EVERYONE is EQUAL under the law. i.e. EVERYONE

http://patriotfilesannex.org/Pledge.htm

There is only one nation here.




What law would that be.From where i'm sitting these developers are getting away with alot more than you or me would be allowed.You say if it's legal you don't oppose.Not true it was legal for the tribes to do as they were untill the courts ruled differently,but you opposed the law.You opposed the US FEd. Gov.You were going to sue Sherrill.And they were all LEGAL.
In fact most of your platform is in opposition of one law or another.
Another example the courts said the tribes should apply to have their lands put into trust( LEGAL ),but you oppose it.So don't tell me if it is legal you support it.


Edited by sworldt (01/26/06 11:53 AM)
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#304700 --- 01/26/06 12:11 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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Again, as you've been told many times: there's nothing stopping you, the tribe, nor anyone else. We don't oppose THESE kind of tax deals BECAUSE EVERYONE is EQUAL under the law. i.e. EVERYONE

http://patriotfilesannex.org/Pledge.htm

There is only one nation here.




And your right there is only one nation.As the federal goverment rules over each state the same as they do the tribes.Why is it so hard for you to understand the tribes were given rights the same as the states were given by the same goverment.
The United States Goverment is the umbrella we ALL come under.
And we ALL serve in this nations military to protect it.
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#304701 --- 01/26/06 02:40 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga's Pay
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You say if it's legal you don't oppose.Not true it was legal for the tribes to do as they were untill the courts ruled differently,but you opposed the law.You opposed the US FEd. Gov.You were going to sue Sherrill.And they were all LEGAL.
In fact most of your platform is in opposition of one law or another.
Another example the courts said the tribes should apply to have their lands put into trust( LEGAL ),but you oppose it.So don't tell me if it is legal you support it.




I didn't state your missinterpretation. I said we support equality under the law and do not oppose laws that treat people equally.

The "courts" decide how to interpret the laws. We disagree on how laws are interpreted. The latest court agreed with UCE. The laws didn't change, so I guess you were wrong.

Again, I didn't state your missinterpretation. We didn't oppose the federal government, we disagreed with one branch's policy. This is the way our government works.

And what Sherrill did is not legal, which is why we circulated a petition to see how the residents felt. But the situation will change drastically over the next five years and we will win again without a lawsuit.

Our interpretation of the SCOTUS reference to trust lands is not the same. It's what's called dictim in legalese as a reference pointing out they explored every option and still had to rule against you. AND, when it comes especially to New York , there are as many points to be made regarding the 1934 IRA Section 5 as there are regarding the TIA's.

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