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#27401 --- 10/21/04 09:49 AM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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I think he will be. We may not know the real reason for his departure but I bet his team mates do. I have also wondered if his return would have a good or bad effect on the team. I am going to remain optimistic and say it will have a good impact and just think of the possibilities......goose bumps....
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#27402 --- 10/21/04 10:03 AM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Assuming he returns and plays point guard, it looks like Josh Pace gets squeezed out of the starting line up, yes,no?

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#27403 --- 10/21/04 10:22 AM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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If it was a choice between Pace and Edelin I would have to say sorry Josh but Billy is a slightly better player. Not wanting to belittle Pace, who I love to watch play, but statistically Billy is a slightly better player. His free throws, assist to turnovers, points per game, etc. Now throw in Wright, Bill's absence and a summer of practice for Pace who knows for sure.
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#27404 --- 10/21/04 05:47 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Pace is a forward, not a guard. What's the starting 5 with Edelin back and assume starting at point. More specifically who is the "other" forward opposite "X"?

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#27405 --- 10/21/04 05:59 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Pace is a guard.
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#27406 --- 10/21/04 06:00 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Pace is a forward.

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#27407 --- 10/21/04 06:02 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Pace is a guard..
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#27408 --- 10/21/04 06:03 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Need a vote here people. Jello, Rascal, Tino, Deacon, what is Josh Pace?

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#27409 --- 10/21/04 07:46 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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2004-05 TEAM ROSTER

No. Name Class Pos. Ht. Wt. Hometown/High School
21 Josh Brooks Gr. F 6-5 180 Saranac, N.Y./Saranac Central
35 Ross DiLiegro So. F 6-8 205 Lexington, Mass./Lexington
51 Craig Forth Sr. C 7-0 259 East Greenbush, N.Y./Columbia
24 Matt Gorman Jr. F 6-9 240 Watertown, N.Y./Watertown
42 Louie McCroskey So. G 6-5 187 Bronx, N.Y./St. Raymond
3 Gerry McNamara Jr. G 6-2 179 Scranton, Pa./Bishop Hannon
4 Demetrius Nichols So. F 6-8 205 Barrington, R.I./St. Andrew&#8217;s
5 Josh Pace Sr. G 6-5 195 Griffin, Ga./Griffin
33 Terrence Roberts So. F 6-9 221 Jersey City, N.J./St. Anthony&#8217;s
1 Hakim Warrick Sr. F 6-8 209 Philadelphia, Pa./Friends Central
13 Darryl Watkins So. C 6-11 238 Paterson, N.J./Paterson Catholic
25 Dayshawn Wright Fr. F 6-6 245 Syracuse, N.Y./Oak Hill Academy (Va.)
30 Josh Wright Fr. G 6-2 170 Utica, N.Y./Proctor


Head Coach: Jim Boeheim (Syracuse, '66)
Associate Head Coach: Bernie Fine (Syracuse, &#8216;67)
Assistant Coaches: Mike Hopkins (Syracuse, &#8217;93), Robert Murphy (Central State, &#8217;96)
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#27410 --- 10/21/04 07:49 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Pace is a forward, not a guard. What's the starting 5 with Edelin back and assume starting at point. More specifically who is the "other" forward opposite "X"?




Ignoring the first part(because your wrong ) and Billy starting at point I would say Gerry, Forth, Warrick and Nichols..
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#27411 --- 10/21/04 07:54 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Another thought, Coach B made the comment that Billy needs to concentrate on school work so I'm wondering if Billy will be benched and we see Wright starting at the point with Louie and Pace being sub in and out. Again just sooooo many possibilites...
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#27412 --- 10/21/04 08:47 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Pace is alternately a 2 guard and a small forward.

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#27413 --- 10/22/04 11:30 AM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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true but he still is a guard first.....
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#27414 --- 10/22/04 11:36 AM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Thank you Tino. I seem to remember Pace kind of floating between positions last year, hence my confusion.

If I recall, Pace got more playing time last year after complaining but moreso after Edelin left the team. G-Mac was forced to play the point and Pace essentially became the shooting guard although his shot was suspect. He seemed to be caught between the guard/forward position last year, i.e., which was he?

I assumed he was to be considered a forward and would therefore lose playing time this year with sophomores Nichols and Roberts getting the bulk of the playing time opposite Warrick. With McCrosky backing up McNamara as shooting guard and the freshman from Utica, Josh Wright, backing up Edelin as point guard, where will Pace get his minutes? He's not a ballhandler (point guard) and his shot needed work. Poor kid has to be feeling left out in the cold in his senior year.

Also, although I've never been a big fan of all the labelling that goes on for position players, what is Warrick considered to be, the power forward or the small forward? Can anyone define what the "job description" is for these 2 forward positions? Who's supposed to get rebounds and who's supposed to score? I'd guess the power forward gets rebounds and the small forward is supposed to score, yes, no? Seems Warrick does them both so what is he? (God this is confusing.)

Also, Gio, didn't Mike Hopkins take a job as a head coach somewhere for this year? He's gone, right?

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#27415 --- 10/22/04 11:54 AM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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I always thought he was a guard, but I do recall seeing him in the small forward slot.
I dont think it was Hopkins who left?
The SU info site still has him listed ...??
"Staff Directory

Mike Hopkins
M. Basketball Asst. Coach



Mike Hopkins, one of the most popular players in SU basketball history, is now forging a new following as an assistant coach. He is in his ninth season on the Orangemen coaching staff.

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#27416 --- 10/22/04 12:17 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Also, Gio, didn't Mike Hopkins take a job as a head coach somewhere for this year? He's gone, right?




I dont think so but I honestly dont know for sure....
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#27417 --- 10/22/04 12:43 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Paraphrasing the coaches roster site...
Assistant Coach Troy Weaver left and accepted a scouting position with The NBA's Utah Jazz at the end of last year.

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#27418 --- 10/22/04 12:50 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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Now that I do remember hearing.
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#27419 --- 10/22/04 01:01 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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“Also, although I've never been a big fan of all the labelling that goes on for position players, what is Warrick considered to be, the power forward or the small forward? Can anyone define what the "job description" is for these 2 forward positions? Who's supposed to get rebounds and who's supposed to score? I'd guess the power forward gets rebounds and the small forward is supposed to score, yes, no? Seems Warrick does them both so what is he? (God this is confusing.)”

Ok Eddie, I’ll give it a shot, To me a power forward is one of the big guys not just in height but in girth, they’re the kind of player you want clogging up the inside, banging bodies, sticking to the low post area with the center, (but then again I’d play my center between hi and lo posting) The small forward is almost like a swing guard , keep em on the outside, but able to slice and move in with the power guys in the middle, and slam it home, but also able to pull back and drop the 15-20 footers. Early on, (Frosh and Soph years) Warrick was the small or wing forward, however he has matured and developed and increased his power to be one of the nations top power forwards, with the speed of the small forward, and the ability to stay outside and drop the jumpers. Jeremy O’Neil was a power forward, never had the speed or ability to be the “wing” or small forward.
I think Warrick is one of the top 5 players in the country this year… but I may be a little biased.
and your right it is confusing

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#27420 --- 10/22/04 01:08 PM Re: Syracuse basketball '04-'05
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thats why I like guard, forward, center then again I'm a simple kind of guy...
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