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#212294 --- 08/09/05 08:09 AM Re: tissues running low
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why? what could it really mean??
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#212295 --- 08/09/05 08:41 AM Re: tissues running low
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A casino and an upscale theater similar to the Rochester Auditorium would be nice.
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#212296 --- 08/09/05 09:11 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga trust land
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:A casino and an upscale theater similar to the Rochester Auditorium would be nice.: Thats what we have in mind to do.
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#212297 --- 08/09/05 12:20 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga trust land
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AKA Turning Stone Casino
AKA Million Dollar Elm Casino
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#212298 --- 08/09/05 12:25 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga trust land
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Looks like Okla will side step the land into trust just like they did in Oklahoma with their Million Dollar Elm Casino.
Is Okla the one always preaching how well his tribe abides by the laws in Oklahoma???(wrong)
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#212299 --- 08/09/05 12:28 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga trust land
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Okla, is the Million Dollar Elm Casino on trust land?
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#212300 --- 08/09/05 01:06 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga trust land
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Okla, is the Million Dollar Elm Casino on trust land?


No. It doesn't need to be trust land it's an Indian res. All they have to do is buy the land back and its Indian land again. By fed. law only congress can do away with a res. The court is wrong and broke fed. law when it said the Oneida couldn't do the same as the Osage have done. Its all being worked out, soon you will see what I say is true. We may not get any settlement money from the state but one thing the state or the courts cant do is take away our right to our homeland.
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#212301 --- 08/09/05 03:10 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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The court ruling stands the treaty is illegal. Ask the Osage what it takes to do away with a res. LOL




The Osage matter is factually and perhaps legally distinguishable from the claims asserted by your tribe and others in New York. Some components of the DOI had recognized the Osage reservation within the last 20 years, the Cayuga and Seneca-Cayuga had absolutely no land in New York recogized by any component of the DOI prior to the filing of its land claim. Also Penny Coleman, Acting General Attorney for the NIGC, sought concurrance of her opinion from the Solicitor General's Office of the DOI and if there is no concurrence it may alter the result. On the other hand your tribe's claim is more factually and legally similar to that of the Oneidas and therefore Sherrill applies.

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#212302 --- 08/09/05 04:50 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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Penny Coleman's "legal opinion" will be challenged. Here is some of the "proof" that she based her "opinion" on. What a fiasco.

"Among the documents cited by Coleman was a 1994 letter from a regional interior official to the Oklahoma Water Resources Board, saying the agency had no authority to judge the tribe's right to use water within its reservation.

She also mentioned a 1997 gubernatorial proclamation recognizing Osage Day. The proclamation notes that "all of Osage County is the only federally recognized reservation remaining in Oklahoma." "

Wow, I would bet the supreme Court judges would be blown out of the water by this historical evidence concerning the Osage Nation. She really dug deep into history to come up with this "proof", way back to 1994.

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#212303 --- 08/09/05 06:13 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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I believe you are correct Grinch, but regardless of its merit (or lack of) comparing the Osage and Cayuga situations are like comparing apples and oranges.

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#212304 --- 08/09/05 07:12 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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I believe you are correct Grinch, but regardless of its merit (or lack of) comparing the Osage and Cayuga situations are like comparing apples and oranges.


LOL we will see. grinch its also based on the fact that it takes an act of congress to do away with a res. And we all know that hasn't took place. When you come into Osage county the sign reads you are now entering the Osage Nation Indian reservation. It used to say welcome to Osage county home of the Osage Indian Nation.
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#212305 --- 08/11/05 03:29 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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You want a sign? That shouldn't be a problem. That proves nothing. The sign would read You are now entering the FORMER Cayuga Reservation.

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#212306 --- 08/20/05 02:31 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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Ceremonial grounds sounds like a winner.
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#212307 --- 08/20/05 02:59 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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Ceremonial grounds sounds like a winner.




LOL, that will never happen unless part of the ceremony is to play slots and cards. The modern indian ceremony. What a laugh. I doubt you even keep up with any of your ancestral heritage. You worship the almighty US dollar and that's all.
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#212308 --- 08/21/05 09:07 AM No partnership w/tribe can be guaranteed
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Originally posted at:
http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2005/08/21/news/opinion/our_view/ourview01.txt




How do you buy a casino in Cayuga County?

Start with a $70,000 handshake with the Cayuga County Legislature chairman.

It's disappointing to watch Chairman Marshall feverishly work secret backroom deals with the tribes.

Any other business in the county that didn't pay its taxes for three years would not be afforded any special partnerships with the county.

If this county and city wanted to partner with the tribe on any "light industry," the term used by Spicer, the Seneca-Cayugas should first be expected to pay taxes on time every year on the existing land for an extended period of time. Currently, they only "plan" to pay taxes in the future, according to Seneca-Cayugas official Dolly Pewitt. Better believe that those "plans" will be quickly scrapped if the county and city don't begin working with the Oklahoma tribe. (A quick question: How many county businesses and residents are allowed the flexibility to "plan" to pay taxes in the county next year?)

As much as this county could use new business, there is no partnership contract with the tribes that would be worth the ink it was signed with. Tribes with land claims in New York have routinely pulled out the sovereignty card and gone running to either the courts or the Bureau of Indian Affairs the moment they are asked to pay taxes on land they have acquired - not their legally recognized reservation. One moment, the county and the Seneca-Cayugas could have a partnership deal, the next moment, the tribe is not paying its taxes and calling its cache of lawyers. A long-term commitment from this out-of-state tribe is as tenuous as its unstable leadership.

As further proof, we point to the Seneca-Cayugas themselves, who described paying their delinquent taxes this week as "good faith."

Around here, it's called the law.

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#212309 --- 08/21/05 09:53 AM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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Ceremonial grounds sounds like a winner.




LOL, that will never happen unless part of the ceremony is to play slots and cards. The modern indian ceremony. What a laugh. I doubt you even keep up with any of your ancestral heritage. You worship the almighty US dollar and that's all.


I see you don't read well or you just can't understand what you read. The land will be for religious puposes only.
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#212310 --- 08/21/05 02:05 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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Ceremonial grounds sounds like a winner.




LOL, that will never happen unless part of the ceremony is to play slots and cards. The modern indian ceremony. What a laugh. I doubt you even keep up with any of your ancestral heritage. You worship the almighty US dollar and that's all.


I see you don't read well or you just can't understand what you read. The land will be for religious puposes only.



I bet
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#212311 --- 08/21/05 03:28 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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Ceremonial grounds sounds like a winner.




LOL, that will never happen unless part of the ceremony is to play slots and cards. The modern indian ceremony. What a laugh. I doubt you even keep up with any of your ancestral heritage. You worship the almighty US dollar and that's all.


I see you don't read well or you just can't understand what you read. The land will be for religious puposes only.



I bet


The only bets that will be made will be on the peach seed game. Come smoke and play
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#212312 --- 08/21/05 03:32 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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What is a peach seed game?
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#212313 --- 08/21/05 03:44 PM Re: Seneca-Cayuga land
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Its a game we play at our Green Corn Ceremony.
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