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#168596 --- 05/10/05 08:14 PM Someone give me an answer Please
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The PCI slot is that little slot on the motherboard right? (it's under the AGP slot(where you put the video card)....It's like a tannish colour.) Because I am buying a PCI express card to run a game and need to know if that is the PCI card slot.

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#168597 --- 05/10/05 08:26 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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From right to left on the bottom of the image.
  • 3 ISA slots. Long black and quite long. Fairly prominent silver teeth can be seen inside the slot. This technology is being replaced. Many new boards may have only 1 slot or none at all.
  • 3 PCI slot. White, shorter slots. Longer section of slot closer to edge, shorter end further away.
  • 1 AGP slot. Brown (may be other colours on other boards). Physically set further away from the edge of the board than PCI or ISA slots. Often have a clip at the end furthest away from the edge of the board, similar to RAM clips.


If you have the money and an AGP slot available on your computer, I would recommend getting an AGP graphics card.
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#168598 --- 05/10/05 08:57 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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You're just slightly behind the times, dear, well-meaning as you are. PCI Express is a peripheral interconnect meant to replace both PCI and AGP. Indeed, PCI Express cards are considerably better than AGP cards. However, even if they would work with a conventional PCI slot, plugging a PCI-Express card into such a slot would undoubtedly cripple it (like plugging PC133RAM into a PC66 board).

This is not to say the original poster doesn't have a machine capable of suppoting PCI Express. Many new personal computers are now being shipped with this capability.

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#168599 --- 05/10/05 09:49 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Here is a stab in the dark, The card you want to add is a new video card. I will let you know up front that if there is an AGP slot then there is no PCI-Express slot for your video. If you will give a little more information we can help you further untill then we can only speculate on what information you need.

If you are adding a new AGP video card go with the Nvidia FX series for gaming at least 256 megs of ram on the video card.

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#168600 --- 05/10/05 09:58 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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I'd also recommend Nvidia, but perhaps rather because they provide much better driver support for Linux than ATI manages to.

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#168601 --- 05/11/05 12:25 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Well hey, I did answer the question. (S)he asked what a PCI slot looked like and not a PCI-Express slot. So I'm still with the times when I answered it correctly. heheheh
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#168602 --- 05/11/05 01:55 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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I was thinking about getting a GeForce PC5300TM 128MB GDDR3 16x PCI Express Video Card (which will be running in the PCI slot) for my hp pavilion a705w. From what I heard it will run the game I have. (The game is called "guild wars")Here are the requirements

Required System Specs:
Windows XP/2000/ME/98
800 MHz Pentium III or equivalent
256 MB RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 or GeForce 3 or 4 MX with 32MB of video memory
500 MB hard drive space
Internet connection
DirectX 8.0

Recommended System Specs:
Windows XP/2000/ME/98
Pentium III 1GHz or equivalent
512 MB RAM
ATI Radeon 9000 or GeForce 4 Ti Series with 64MB of video memory
500 MB free hard drive space
Internet connection

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#168603 --- 05/11/05 01:57 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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And No I don't have an AGP slot. (PLus I here PCI express cards are better.

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#168604 --- 05/11/05 02:25 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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If that express card does not work in the Standard PCI slot.(Which I think is true)


Then I would get a nVidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR PCI Video Card.


Please let me know which one would run the game.

Or if I can or cannot run a PCI express card in a PCI slot.

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#168605 --- 05/11/05 04:20 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Yeah, that machine doesn't appear to have either PCIe (PCI Express) or AGP slots.

While the game probably won't suffer from extra video memory, PCI's really not an optimal way to connect a video card (if it were, there wouldn't be AGP at all).

64MB video cards are pretty affordable. I'd suggest using one of those instead. The 128MB card wouldn't hurt, but at the end of the day you'd still have a low-end computer that's not built for gaming, and the investment isn't something you're going to be able to carry over into another machine very well.

Also, make sure the fact that it's a PCI card rather than AGP won't cause a problem for the games you have in mind. It sometimes does.

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#168606 --- 05/11/05 05:29 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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So would the nVidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR PCI Video Card work for the game and not slow my computer down?

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#168607 --- 05/11/05 05:36 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Working with the game is something I can't say for certain. I can say for certain that unless something is physically wrong with it, it definitely won't slow down the system.

Rather I'm concerned that it falls into the category of turbocharging a Tercel.

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#168608 --- 05/11/05 05:50 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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LOL, now would that PCI card speed up my computer also or just work for the game?

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#168609 --- 05/11/05 05:58 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Guild Wars will play fine on a regular PCI Geforce FX 5200 actually I ran the beta of it on a system with a Geforce 2 with no problems what so ever. The video card will if you are currently using onboard graphics make things run faster since it will not have to rely on your systems memory.

On a side note Guild Wars was alright, but World of Warcraft is addicting as all heck.

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#168610 --- 05/11/05 06:15 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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LOL, I played World of Warcraft before and also Guild Wars. So I decided to buy Guild Wars. I was just wondering if that PCI card could run the game....Thats probably the only game I will have on here for awhile.

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#168611 --- 05/12/05 08:46 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Guild Wars will play fine on a regular PCI Geforce FX 5200 actually I ran the beta of it on a system with a Geforce 2 with no problems what so ever. The video card will if you are currently using onboard graphics make things run faster since it will not have to rely on your systems memory.

On a side note Guild Wars was alright, but World of Warcraft is addicting as all heck.




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#168612 --- 05/12/05 03:57 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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What server is he playing on? There about 25 of us from this area on Durotan server....For The Hord!!!

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#168613 --- 05/12/05 08:54 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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#168614 --- 05/15/05 04:30 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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What if I tried running Guild wars On my computer with an intel extreme graphics?
Would it do anything bad to the computer?

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#168615 --- 05/15/05 05:30 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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What if I tried running Guild wars On my computer with an intel extreme graphics?
Would it do anything bad to the computer?




Shouldn't. If it's not going to work, it just won't, but it's not going to melt your hard drive and send porn to your grandmother's e-mail account.

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#168616 --- 05/15/05 05:32 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Well the main menu of the game worked then when it went to load the level it froze I think. I think it might have been because I need a video card.

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#168617 --- 05/18/05 09:48 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Guild wars is a memory hog, 512 megs of ram and at least a offboard video card would help you out a bunch.

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#168618 --- 05/18/05 07:06 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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OK i got a new problem....My PCI card that I told you guys about came today. SO i put it in and it installed without a problem. So it told me to finish installation I needed to restart my computer, so I did. And right before it goes to the desktop the screen goes blank. But everything is loading because I hear the start up sounds and everything, just the screen is black. So when I changed the settings for the primary video card thing I changed it to onboard.(?). But the game runs fairly well but the graphics leek out so I'm thinking it's my monitor not being plugged into the PCI video card slot.




O yeah the system requirements for the pci card need a AGP slot...But the card is a pci card.

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#168619 --- 05/19/05 09:49 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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those darned system requirements!!!!! ; )

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#168620 --- 05/20/05 08:24 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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And this is why I'm still using an AGP card. I prefer other people to be the guinea pigs and test out the new stuff and work the bugs out of it. Then when it goes mainstream I follow.
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#168621 --- 05/20/05 10:07 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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I can't have an AGP card....No slot.

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#168622 --- 05/21/05 08:22 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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There really isn't any benefit yet to PCI X16 video cards. Give it a year or two when either the CPU's or actual GPU's are fast enough for anyone to see a difference.

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#168623 --- 05/22/05 01:58 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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#168624 --- 05/25/05 12:30 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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What motherboard are you using?
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#168625 --- 05/25/05 03:48 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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I was thinking about getting a GeForce PC5300TM 128MB GDDR3 16x PCI Express Video Card (which will be running in the PCI slot) for my hp pavilion a705w. From what I heard it will run the game I have. (The game is called "guild wars")Here are the requirements






If I remember right this system only has regular PCI slots. So if the person wants to play games on it, the newest PCI video card would probably work best. PCI express video cards will not fit regular PCI slots.

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#168626 --- 05/25/05 04:02 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Quote:

I was thinking about getting a GeForce PC5300TM 128MB GDDR3 16x PCI Express Video Card (which will be running in the PCI slot) for my hp pavilion a705w. From what I heard it will run the game I have. (The game is called "guild wars")Here are the requirements






If I remember right this system only has regular PCI slots. So if the person wants to play games on it, the newest PCI video card would probably work best. PCI express video cards will not fit regular PCI slots.




Exactly.

Be very careful folks when you buy a computer. If you want to play games, make sure you know what those games require before you buy a computer.

Budget computers can make decent-ish gaming machines, especially if your gaming desires are relatively mundane. However, companies like HP will often dlliberately cripple machines like the a705w. HP doesn't want you adding a decent video card after the fact. They want you to buy the computer, become frustrated with its limitations, and buy an entirey new (and more expensive) HP computer to overcome those limitations.

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#168627 --- 05/25/05 06:16 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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It's not just limited to Macs. EMachines, Gateway, Dell, Apple, Compaq are all examples of brands that have used motherboards without AGP or PCIx16 video card slots mandating the use of "old" architecture PCI video cards. If you can still find a regular PCI video card it probably is a whole lot faster than the video card built into the motherboard. But they're a lower value compared to comparably priced AGP video cards.

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#168628 --- 05/25/05 06:41 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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I just noticed something that the question asker said, I need to know which port you have your monitor plugged into. Is it plugged into the card you just installed or into the original port on your machine.

Now to address the second part: when one buys a PC and wants to game with it any computer bought at a local Wal-Mart is not the best choice for it. If you compare the same machine to one of equil cost at say Best Buy you are going to find that the one at the electronics retailer has more features at the same cost.

Just to throw this in: Someone said above about PCI-E graphics having no benefits yet, I couldnt agree less. When you see 2 PCI-E Geforce FX 6800's on a Sli-bridge running UT2004 you would be amazed.

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#168629 --- 05/25/05 07:14 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Well that's actually 2 video cards. Not really an apples to apples comparison.

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#168630 --- 05/25/05 10:44 AM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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It's not just limited to Macs.




Actually, Macs haven't used PCI for graphics in probably 5 or 6 years. All of their machines now use AGP, even if it's not a slot you can plug any old card into. Even the Mac mini's 32MB Radeon 9200 sits on an AGP bus.

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#168631 --- 05/25/05 02:39 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Quote:

It's not just limited to Macs.




Actually, Macs haven't used PCI for graphics in probably 5 or 6 years. All of their machines now use AGP, even if it's not a slot you can plug any old card into. Even the Mac mini's 32MB Radeon 9200 sits on an AGP bus.





I meant to say it's not just limited to HP's.

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#168632 --- 05/25/05 02:50 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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#168633 --- 05/25/05 02:54 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Never. Well maybe once they start using Intel chips...

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#168634 --- 05/25/05 03:04 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Hah! They already do. AMD processors too. Now put your money where your mouth is.

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#168635 --- 05/25/05 03:29 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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Which Apples are using Intel & AMD CPU's?

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#168636 --- 05/25/05 03:40 PM Re: Someone give me an answer Please
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The Airport Base Stations either do or did until recently use an AMD-built CPU (at around 333MHz, if memory serves).

I think the Xserve RAID system uses Intel chips, and there are a variety of Intel-made chips on Apple's motherboards.

There's currently renewed talk that Apple's in negotiations with Intel about chips intended for Macs. There are several possibilities. One is that Apple wants to contract Intel to fab the core logic for their systems. Another is that Apple intends to buy chips for wireless networking from them (Intel holds a number of patents in that area, and going to them directly would avoid licensing fees).

The most interesting possibility stems from news from IBM, though. It seems IBM along with Sony and Toshiba, may be looking to liberally license the design of the "Cell" CPU. Intel has huge fabrication capacity, so Apple may be trying to convince Intel to get onboard the PowerPC wagon. It would be advantageous for Apple to have more suppliers, and it would be a good move for Intel, to solidify their presence in the embedded processor market. Somewhere around 98% of all CPUs sold go into embedded systems like Cars and appliances. PowerPC represents a singificant threat here to Intel's own Xscale CPU family, and Intel would be wise to hedge their bets and be a prime supplier for both types of CPUs.

I'm sure IBM doesn't like that possibility, but I have a feeling it's really in keeping with their long-term goals, which seem to be a slow conversion to an IP licensor extraordinaire, leaving the mundane production to others.

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