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#162730 --- 04/27/05 11:24 AM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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your sorry excuse don't cut with me.you use them than maintain them with RESPECT.... your actions speak louder than your words.




Sworldt you are by far the biggest hypocrite on this forum. Sworldt - your actions speak louder than words. You hate the US but yet you enjoy all the freedoms and benefits that the US has to offer. You have the audacity to criticize others while your position is far more negative than the points that you bring to light.

Why have you deleted your signature ------- Stop the Hate????? did you look at yourself and find fault in yourself??



STOP THE HATE...........





you are so full of sh-- its oozing. what actions have i done that you are speaking of.you run off at the keyboard with no idea of what your typing about.where have i ever said i hated the u.s. and yes i enjoy every freedom this country offers and why shouldn't i as i have fought to preserve evryones rights.as i have stated i would never advocate to overthrow either the tribal goverments or the us gov.so you go ahead and keep posting your lies and all the other crap you live in it is your right as many americans have died to preserve them for you.and when i say americans i also include the many enrolled tribal members who have fought and died to protect us soil.
as to my signature line.i removed it because of people like you.nobody can bring a community back together when they are dead set to destroy themselves.you want to destroy your community go ahead.
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#162731 --- 04/27/05 01:29 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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where have i ever said i hated the u.s. and yes i enjoy every freedom this country offers and why shouldn't i as i have fought to preserve evryones rights.as i have stated i would never advocate to overthrow either the tribal goverments or the us gov.so you go ahead and keep posting your lies and all the other crap you live in it is your right as many americans have died to preserve them for you.and when i say americans i also include the many enrolled tribal members who have fought and died to protect us soil.
as to my signature line.i removed it because of people like you.nobody can bring a community back together when they are dead set to destroy themselves.you want to destroy your community go ahead.










and what tribes fought AGAINST the colonists??????????
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#162732 --- 04/27/05 03:44 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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where have i ever said i hated the u.s. and yes i enjoy every freedom this country offers and why shouldn't i as i have fought to preserve evryones rights.as i have stated i would never advocate to overthrow either the tribal goverments or the us gov.so you go ahead and keep posting your lies and all the other crap you live in it is your right as many americans have died to preserve them for you.and when i say americans i also include the many enrolled tribal members who have fought and died to protect us soil. as to my signature line.i removed it because of people like you.nobody can bring a community back together when they are dead set to destroy themselves.you want to destroy your community go ahead.





You fought to preserve everyones rights - but it is acceptable that there are two classes of individuals - those that play by the rules and ones that do not. Taxpayers and non-taxpayers (indians)

You would never advocate to overthrow another government. What war did you fight in???? Did this war overthrow another government????

You include the enrolled tribal members as americans. What do you considered enrolled? And those tribal members that are not enrolled should they not have these same american freedoms???? Are the tribes sovereign or are they not sovereign??? I guess that depends on if they do not want to pay taxes (sovereign) or if they want a monetary payment from the US government (not sovereign).


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#162733 --- 04/27/05 03:56 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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i enjoy every freedom this country offers and why shouldn't i as i have fought to preserve evryones rights.as i have stated i would never advocate to overthrow either the tribal goverments or the us gov.so you go ahead and keep posting your lies and all the other crap you live in it is your right as many americans have died to preserve them for you.and when i say americans i also include the many enrolled tribal members who have fought and died to protect us soil.
as to my signature line.i removed it because of people like you.nobody can bring a community back together when they are dead set to destroy themselves.you want to destroy your community go ahead.





If you were to ask any veteran if they fought so that there would be a two class system in the US - would they feel that is the reason that they risked their lives. To risks their lives to come back to the US and have individuals that do not have to pay taxes, do not have to conduct themselves as others, work with different standards as others, play by different rules, have individuals that do not have to pay their fair share but yet get the same if not more benfits and freedoms that the veterans risked their lives for.

I have family members that have lost their lives in the fought but I guess you can stand their and defend the indians and allow them to not pay taxes, local school taxes, county, city, local, social security, infrastruture, gas (for bridges and roads), cig taxes....


















Do not insult ----------- You have survived the fought by my family members have LOST theirs................
























I guess that you are saying that you will pay my school taxes, my county taxes, my local taxes, my gas taxes, my utility taxes, employment taxes... and that would be acceptable to you.

If you will not pay my taxes then why should I pay for others that do not????????????


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#162734 --- 04/27/05 10:59 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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First of all.My respect to those who have lost thier lives for this country.i also have family lost to war.But make no mistake when i volunteered for vietnam out of high school i took an oath to defend this country and our way of life from foreign and domestic enemies.that oath was sworn to with the federal goverment of this country.the federal goverment gave the tribes the rights they have today.the federal goverment set-up our system and if they believed the tribes would co-exist with us within our borders than so do i.the tribes pay federal taxes the same as anyone.thier soveriegn rights say they are free from local taxes and authority.our federal goverment gave the tribes thier rights and who are you to try and exterminate those rights.you yourself are going against your federal goverment.you are with a group who seems to think it is ok to demand those things they are not willing to do them selves ( pay Taxes )you are with a group who uses intimidation on those who oppose them,your group is quitely violating people basic freedoms.but you call the tribes a threat when the US federal goverment is on thier side.
I stand with the US fed. goverment and i also stand with the tribes gov..
and if you are not able to accept or understand this post,than tough this is my opinion.......
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#162735 --- 04/28/05 03:39 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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Re sworldt: our federal goverment gave the tribes thier rights and who are you to try and exterminate those rights.

What the government giveth, the government can taketh away. Congress has plenary power over tribes.

WE are not trying to, nor do we have the authority to, exterminate anything, but rather merely working with "our" elected government representatives to promote equality under the law and within the three branches of government to ask the courts to uphold the Constitution. It's like Dave Barker, Sherrill City Manager, said: it never was about the money, it was about quality of life.

And don't go making up things about what the Constitution said. Indians are only mentioned twice, one deals with voter apportionment and the other deals with trade.

Why are you so opposed to this democratic republic system of government of, by and for the people that we both fought to sustain? USAF '68 - '72.

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#162736 --- 04/28/05 05:45 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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Re sworldt: our federal goverment gave the tribes thier rights and who are you to try and exterminate those rights.

What the government giveth, the government can taketh away. Congress has plenary power over tribes.

WE are not trying to, nor do we have the authority to, exterminate anything, but rather merely working with "our" elected government representatives to promote equality under the law and within the three branches of government to ask the courts to uphold the Constitution. It's like Dave Barker, Sherrill City Manager, said: it never was about the money, it was about quality of life.

And don't go making up things about what the Constitution said. Indians are only mentioned twice, one deals with voter apportionment and the other deals with trade.

Why are you so opposed to this democratic republic system of government of, by and for the people that we both fought to sustain? USAF '68 - '72.





your sitting there telling me that it is ok to overthrow a goverment, our federal gov. gave the tribes.now you don't like what has been in place for over 200 years, you want to destroy it.when will people like you decide we shouldn't have the right to read what we want or any other our freedoms, rights and decide it is time to change this as well.

" What the government giveth, the government can taketh away. Congress has plenary power over tribes. "

the above statement made by you says it all.
so is this to also say the goverment can remove our rights as they were also given by the goverment.
Why are you so opposed to working with the tribes?instead of exterminating their rights.
The tribes gov. has been with us for more than 200 years your hate group hasn't.the tribes are not a threat to this country,but people with ideas such as your is.You are the threat we face.
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#162737 --- 04/28/05 09:37 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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Dick:your qoute


"And don't go making up things about what the Constitution said. Indians are only mentioned twice, one deals with voter apportionment and the other deals with trade. "

first i don't make things up i leave that to you and yours.You are of aware we were discussing the U.S. Constitution and not N.Y.


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#162738 --- 04/28/05 09:46 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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where have i ever said i hated the u.s. and yes i enjoy every freedom this country offers and why shouldn't i as i have fought to preserve evryones rights.as i have stated i would never advocate to overthrow either the tribal goverments or the us gov.so you go ahead and keep posting your lies and all the other crap you live in it is your right as many americans have died to preserve them for you.and when i say americans i also include the many enrolled tribal members who have fought and died to protect us soil.
as to my signature line.i removed it because of people like you.nobody can bring a community back together when they are dead set to destroy themselves.you want to destroy your community go ahead.










and what tribes fought AGAINST the colonists??????????







And if you care to check history you will find in some cases where the young warriors of the cayuga nation were accused of a few raids on some settlers.it was later discovered some of those raids were in fact non-indians dressed as indians so they could rob and murder and blame it on the indians.if your going to tell a story tell the whole story not parts of it that suits you.
and by the way destroying an entire nations crops and live stock and homes before the worse winter in a long time is real humane.how many children froze and starved to death for the greed of a few non-indians.
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#162739 --- 04/28/05 09:54 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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Oneidas to join annual March for Parks
Event raises money for programs at Saratoga National Historical Park

By KENNETH C. CROWE II, Staff writer
First published: Thursday, April 28, 2005

STILLWATER -- Saratoga National Historical Park will get a financial boost as its supporters join the Oneida Indians, allies of the Americans in the Revolutionary War, to turn out Saturday for the 12th annual March for Parks.
Sponsored by the Friends of Saratoga Battlefield, the march raises funds for activities at the battlefield where an American Army defeated a British Army in the two Battles of Saratoga in 1777.

This year, the Friends of Saratoga Battlefield celebrate the theme "Allies in War and Partners in Peace."

The event draws attention to the Oneida, the first allies of the American revolutionary cause.

Members of the Oneida Nation will join Assemblyman Roy J. McDonald, R-Wilton, for the opening ceremony at the battlefield on routes 4 and 32.

The March for Parks will be held from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. at the park. Those people walking, biking or joining a guided historic walk in the park will raise funds for the Arts in the Park program held at the battlefield. A person raising $15 will receive a free coffee mug or decorative ceramic tile. Those who raise $25 receive a t-shirt.

Other events include free refreshments, live fiddle music, face-painting, a silent auction, Tenkara Karate demonstrations, live radio broadcasts and appearances by Smokey Bear, McGruff the Crime Fighting Dog and Twinkle the Bear.

The March for Parks will be held rain or shine. For more information, call Friends Chairman Larry Arnold at 421-8092 or the Saratoga National Historical Park Visitor Center at 664-9821 Ext. 227.

At 1:30 p.m. Sunday, the national park will sponsor "Memoirs of an Irishman at Saratoga Battlefield" at the visitors center.

Author Don Hagist will discuss Sgt. Roger Lamb, an Irishman who served with the British Army in the Battles of Saratoga.

Hagist will speak about his new book, "A British Soldier's Story: Roger Lamb's Narrative of the American Revolution." Hagist is editor of "General Orders, Rhode Island: December 1776-January 1778."

Hagist will discuss the British Army during the war, and how Lamb's career, literacy and work as a teacher in the army compare to perceptions of British soldiers during that time.




http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=355326&category=SARATOGA&BCCode=&newsdate=4/28/2005
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#162740 --- 04/29/05 06:20 AM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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WAMPSVILLE, N.Y. Madison County has filed a court motion seeking to foreclose on nearly 100 properties owned by the Oneida Indian Nation.

The county wants a state Supreme Court judgment that the Oneidas have failed to pay 2.3 (m) million dollars in property taxes. County attorney John Campanie calls it -- quote -- "an ordinary tax foreclosure hearing."

Oneida nation spokesman Mark Emery declined comment, saying they were not aware of the proceedings.

The Oneidas have amassed about 17-thousand acres in Madison and Oneida counties, including Turning Stone Casino. Municipal leaders say they got the green light to collect taxes last month when the U-S Supreme Court ruled the nation cannot claim sovereignty on land that's been outside its reservation for generations.

The tribe since has applied to the federal government to hold all its lands in trust, which would make them permanently free from taxes and local laws.

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#162741 --- 04/29/05 01:09 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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http://www.fltimes.com/Main.asp?SectionID=38&SubSectionID=121&ArticleID=8153




SENECA FALLS — The Cayuga Indian Nation must let Seneca County’s director of Weights and Measures inspect gas pumps at the Route 89 LakeSide Trading Co. or fight the matter in court.

Sheriff’s deputies Thursday served Nation representative Clint Halftown and store employees with a court order prohibiting interference. Halftown was personally served by Sheriff Leo Connolly at the Nation’s local headquarters at Fall and State streets.

County Attorney Steven Getman obtained the court order late Wednesday from Judge Dennis Bender under the state’s Agriculture and Markets law.

Getman said no gasoline pump is to be operated without proper inspections and proper weights. Fines are also being sought. They would range from $250 a day to $10,000 in the case of failure to allow the gasoline to be tested for proper octane and chemical composition.

Getman said Weight and Measures Director Sue Sauvageau went to inspect the pumps April 14 but was refused access and told to get a court order. Getman said he anticipates any fines would run from that date.

Daniel French, a lawyer for the Syracuse firm Green & Seifter, which represents part of the Nation, is still hoping to be able to reach an agreement similar to one worked out with Cayuga County.


French said the order and its supporting documentation will be reviewed and available legal options will be considered. He said the county would be contacted again to see if the parties can sit down and try to work out an agreement similar to the one reached with Cayuga County, which conditionally allowed pump inspections.

Getman said the Nation, under the Cayuga County arrangement, agreed to let its pumps be inspected on a limited basis while preserving its claim of tribal rights such as freedom from taxation and complying with other local laws.

He said Seneca County wanted additional language in their proposed agreement, which didn’t waive the right to contest the land claim or other forms of sovereignty, such as the trust application process.

“Apparently, the Cayugas did not want to include reciprocal language that recognized the county also has rights,” Getman said, noting there is no mechanism under the law which allows a business to be inspected on a limited or partial basis.

“The agreement with Cayuga County, in our minds, left open too many unanswered questions about how it could be enforced and how far the inspections could go,” he said. “It just simply created an unequal situation with every other business in the county.”

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#162742 --- 04/29/05 09:24 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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RE: Sworldt - your sitting there telling me that it is ok to overthrow a goverment, what has been in place for over 200 years.

-- Who said anything about overthrowing a government? You continually make statements accusing UCE of making them, when they were never made. What’s called a government in the Cayuga, Seneca-Cayuga, and Oneida tribes hasn’t been there for any 200 years. None of these tribes would qualify for tribal recognition today because they didn’t exist as a tribe continually for the past 200 years. Pine Tree Chief Frank Bonamie testified in court that the NY Cayuga only got together as a group in the late 70’s to file the lawsuit. The Seneca-Cayuga were formed under the 1934 IRA. The Oneida tribe had ceased to exist altogether as a tribe within the past hundred years.

RE: Sworldt - when will people like you decide we shouldn't have the right to read what we want or any other our freedoms, rights and decide it is time to change this as well.

It IS time to change this. Your complaints are against those expressing freedom of speech. Freedoms such as that are not guaranteed on reservations because the U.S. Constitution does not apply. If you’d read the CERA News link to their newspaper you’d be free to read the testimony from tribal representatives throughout the country that are fighting to have the U.S. Constitutional freedoms applied to reservations. I’m sure you’d like to stifle their freedom of speech too. Imagine that?

RE: Sworldt - so is this to also say the goverment can remove our rights as they were also given by the goverment.

Yes. By “our”, I presume you mean tribes, even though I don’t believe you’re a tribal member.

RE: Sworldt - Why are you so opposed to working with the tribes? instead of exterminating their rights.
The tribes gov. has been with us for more than 200 years your hate group hasn't. the tribes are not a threat to this country, but people with ideas such as your is. You are the threat we face.

The U.S. Constitution only recognizes three sovereigns: the people, the states, and the federal government. Tribal sovereignty only exists because Congress created it. This racist policy will eventually come to an end. And yes, ideas such as equality under the law and enforcing the U.S. Constitution throughout the land are unfortunately radical ideas even in this day and age. They’re terribly hateful ideas aren’t they?

RE: Sworldt - You are of aware we were discussing the U.S. Constitution and not N.Y.

Yes. http://www.usconstitution.net/ The U.S. Constitution

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#162743 --- 04/30/05 12:16 AM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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"and by the way destroying an entire nations crops and live stock and homes before the worse winter in a long time is real humane.how many children froze and starved to death for the greed of a few non-indians."


Greed of a few non indians? Ever heard of the Cherry Valley massacres? Men, women and children scalped alive? Several different times the village was attacked. Settlements along the NY frontier were being harassed.The Cayuga had sided with the British and Gen. George Washington saw them as a threat from the northwest against his army. That is why he ordered the Sullivan and Clinton expedition, to do away once and for all the threat of indian raids and to stop the Cayuga and Seneca from aiding the British, who I believe held Fort Niagara at the time. Washington wanted the Indians decimated, with nothing left to sustain themselves so they would be forced to move from the territory. He wanted the campaign to be swift and forceful, and became annoyed with Sullivan over delays in getting enough supplies together to sustain such a large armada into what was at the time mostly wilderness . When finally underway they met up with a force of indians at Newtown ( near present day Elmira ).The natives were in the hills surrounding the river valley which the army was in. A fierce battle ensued with the colonials eventually winning. From this day on skirmishes were few. When they would come upon a town, it usually had been vacated, sometimes so recently that fires were still burning. Orchards were cut, crops and longhouses destroyed according to Washington's orders. So this is why the Cayuga and Seneca homeland was destroyed. Not for the "greed of a few non indians" but because it was wartime and unfortunately for them, they allied themselves with the side that lost.The Oneida I believe sided with the colnists, I don't know about Onondaga. And how, in the 1700's would they know a bad winter is coming? I suppose back then most any winter was pretty bad, some more than others of course. But It was wartime and being humane took a backseat to winning the War. Besides, the indians didn't worry too much about being humane when they scalped those people at Cherry Valley, did they? At least the indians were allowed to flee.


http://earlyamerica.com/review/1998/sullivan.html

This link is a very good, thorough history of the events and times of the sullivan campaign

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#162744 --- 05/01/05 07:25 AM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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I just finished reading of the Sullivan Campaign. It is a perspective of the revolution that I was aware of, but had never read this particular article. Thank you.

The reason for this drastic action on the part of General Washington is apparent. It pointed out how the Cayuga lost their lands at that point in time.

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#162745 --- 05/02/05 09:41 AM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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Land-into-trust for gaming under more scrutiny
Thursday, April 28, 2005

The land-into-trust process came under fire at a Senate hearing on Wednesday as the Interior Department's Inspector General confirmed a probe into the issue and Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) promised a hearing to address the controversy.

Tribes are acquiring trust lands and using them for gaming under questionable circumstances, McCain said at the Senate Indian Affairs Committee hearing. "I think this is a huge problem," he said.

McCain specifically referred to a Congressional rider that allowed a California tribe to open an off-reservation casino in the Bay Area without obtaining state and federal approval. The designation for gaming "was put into an appropriations bill -- a bizarre situation to say the least," the chairman of the committee said.

Tribes have engaged in other dubious tactics, Inspector General Earl E. Devaney told the committee. He said he has already drafted an audit into a technique that has surfaced in Oklahoma, where tribes have asked the Bureau of Indian Affairs to acquire land for non-gaming purposes only to open a casino at a subsequent date.

The technique allows the tribes to skip a lengthy review process normally required for gaming acquisitions. "That's a problem," he said. "The BIA didn't know it happened."

Devaney characterized his audit as "limited" and didn't mention any tribes by name. But the Chickasaw Nation and at least two other tribes in eastern Oklahoma -- the Cherokee Nation and the Choctaw Nation -- have acquired land under these circumstances, according to previous stories published on Indianz.Com.

"Our recent evaluation of this process found 10 instances in which tribes have converted the use of lands taken into trust after 1988 from non-gaming purposes to gaming purposes without the approval of BIA or NIGC," Devaney said. "Surprisingly, we also learned that neither the BIA or NIGC even had a process for identifying these conversions." In a March 2003 story, Indianz.Com counted 11 Chickasaw Nation gaming facilities that were opened under this practice.

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma), a new member of the committee, agreed that the situation presents a major problem in a state with 39 federally recognized tribes of all sizes. "Trust lands ... determine the winners and losers in Oklahoma," he said. "The fact is," he added, "that it's not necessarily a fair process."

Coburn was elected to the Senate in November amid opposition from politically active tribes like the Cherokee Nation. Without mentioning any by name, he accused these large tribes of hurting smaller tribes -- particularly those in western Oklahoma.

"Those that are in the game want to keep those that are not in the game from being in the game," the conservative Republican said. "I think that is something else that we need to look at."

Other federal witnesses at the hearing also signaled concern with the process. Phil Hogen, the chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission, promised close scrutiny of proposals to acquire trust lands for gaming that may be located far away from an existing reservation.

"If some developer is the driving force and there really is not a legitimate claim [to the land], we ought to say no in those cases," he testified.

Tom Heffelfinger, the U.S. Attorney for Minnesota and the chair of the Native American Issues subcommittee at the Department of Justice, said the process opens tribes to potentially shady deals. "All the good locations are taken," he told the committee. "The pressure therefore -- because of the amount of money that can be had -- is to identify new lands in which gaming can be operated under some kind of arrangement."

"As those relationships become more and more bizarre, the need for Department of Justice to look into those is going to become greater and greater because of concerns of theft, fraud or abuse," he said.

Devaney suggested that a legislative fix is in order to give the BIA and the NIGC more authority to "monitor and enforce" tribal use of trust lands. "The approval is granted and then after that, nobody monitors to ensure that what was approved is actually happening," he testified.

McCain said these and other land-into-trust issues deserved their own hearing and pledged to hold one in the future. "We would appreciate any legislative recommendations," he told the federal witnesses.

Just last month, the committee held a hearing on the Bay Area casino controversy. McCain supports a bill that would require the Lytton Band of Pomo Indians, the tribe involved in the dispute, to undergo a lengthy review and approval process before opening a gaming establishment on the newly acquired trust land.

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#162746 --- 05/02/05 12:13 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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http://sullivanclinton.com/


here is another link to a sullivan website that is very interesting.if you read it you'll understand the tribes didn't leave of their own free will, the cayugas were not one in cherry valley but in fact the colonist and mohawks were. and you will also find the true reason for that expedition.you can find it under road to empire. happy reading
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#162747 --- 05/04/05 02:09 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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Sorry for the delay in answering you, but i got busy with life.

1) overthrowing a goverment. the uce wants to eliminate the tribes soverign rights which is thier right to self goverment.you know this.and this is why you want it eliminated. ( overthrowing a goverment )you claim they haven't existed but the courts say they have.i also don't agree with all court rulings.such as sherrill i don't agree with that ruling,but unlike you i realize it is the court ruling and unless it changes it will have to be recognized and adhered to. your group likes to pick what ruling you will recognize and which ones you will ignore.

2) basic freedoms such as freedom of speech was not intended to the tribes,but to us,ours ( all mean the USA ) and you knew this, but you had to find a way to twist it.the freedoms i speak of are those of United States citizens.you know such as your nieghbore the same ones you like to spy on, dictate how and where they can spend their money,what business's they can or can not do business with.
the ones if they voice an opposing point of view here in the forums your wolf pack attacks.you know those people.

3)Again when i say ours it means U.S. gov.

and to end it you are still a racist hate group.imagine i can post my opinion.

but got to give you credit you twisted the he-- out of that post good job.


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#162748 --- 05/04/05 02:42 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
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"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed , three fifths of all other Persons"


"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"



"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land ;"



U.S. Constitution NARA website:

http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html
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#162749 --- 05/05/05 05:08 PM Re: Cayuga County Tests Indian Gas Pumps
dwarren Offline
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"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed , three fifths of all other Persons"


"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"



"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land ;"



U.S. Constitution NARA website:

http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html




The clause "Indians not taxed" appears in the section of the Constitution that describes how representatives are elected to Congress. The Constitution required each state, when it counts its citizens for purposes of congressional apportionment, to exclude "Indians not taxed." this was because at the time the Constitution was written indians were not citizens. It does not confer any immunity from taxation. In fact now Indians are citizens and are taxed by the federal government and therefore they are counted even for this purpose.

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