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#155322 --- 12/23/05 07:38 AM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
mutantmaster Offline
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I just heard the Red Sox are negotiating with Theo Epstein to play centerfield and be GM... you know sort of like Pete Rose and the Reds with a twist. Start thinking of your 2006 resolutions for your clubs. They should be interesting. Merry Christmas everyone.
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#155323 --- 12/23/05 08:14 AM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
wedggie Offline
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Merry Christmas and congrats Yanks, in advance, for going 162-0 next season. Sorry about losing, AGAIN, in another post season flop, though !!!

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#155324 --- 12/23/05 03:53 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Never say die wedggie, that's the way. True true. 162-0 means squat in the postseason...but at least my team will get there.

Merry and Happy to all. You're a great bunch!

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#155325 --- 12/23/05 04:28 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Damon for Flarhety................great job Red Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!

GO YANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#155326 --- 12/23/05 10:15 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Harken back to the time when Bernie Williams was a free agent and the Red Sox showed strong interest...and the Yankees blinked and re-signed him. Smart move New York.

Jump forward 7 years and the scenario is reversed and who doesn't blink? Thank you Boston. You just gave up the best centerfielder in baseball to your arch rival who EVERYONE KNEW was desperate for a centerfielder and wasn't going to settle on Bubba Crosby. C'mon, Bubba Crosby playing where Joe D., the Mick and Bern Baby Bern played? What a bunch of lightweights in Boston management. If I were a Boston fan I would be burning John Henry and Larry LuckyNO in effigy right now.

Spin it any way you want but you BLEW IT! Damon mentioned the lack of respect when the season ended. A 3 year chump change offer. He said it "woke him up" to what free agency was and opened the door for the expert, Brian Cashman to walk right in...and the Yankees know how to deal with Scott Boras.

I absolutely love how Boston decided to take the Billy Beane "cheapskate" approach to their most important player. Not Manny, not Ortiz, certainly not Curt Schilling...John Damon. And he looks pretty damn GQ with his new look.

Can you say the world is my oyster?

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#155327 --- 12/23/05 11:18 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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...but at least my team will get there.






Let the record show: Ed has fired the first "..at least my team..." salvo for 2006!!!

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#155328 --- 12/24/05 04:53 AM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#155329 --- 12/24/05 08:23 AM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Eddie, you said they gave up the best center fielder in baseball.

Damon is one of the top, but he is certainly not the best CF in baseball. Especially as far as career stats.
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#155330 --- 12/25/05 12:18 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Merry Christmas!

Who is a better CF out there? I'll give you Andruw Jones who is REALLY good. Who's better after Jones in your opinion?

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#155331 --- 12/25/05 05:14 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Merry Christmas!

Who is a better CF out there? I'll give you Andruw Jones who is REALLY good. Who's better after Jones in your opinion?




Jim Edmonds for one, just look at his hitting stats the last 6 years.

I know he has been hurt but Griffey had as good a year if not better than Damon at least as far as HR & RBI in 2005. Jason Bay, yea I know he plays LF but he also does play quite a bit in CF.

Edmonds (8 straight gold gloves) and Griffey(10) are also better fielders than Damon.

Like I said Damon is a good pick up. The best things about it for the Yankees. It helps Jeter, allowing him to move to #2 in the order. The other it pisses off the Red Sox fans.

As you mentioned Jones.

I would say Edmonds is the best CF in baseball.
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#155332 --- 12/26/05 03:27 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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You got me roadguy. Yes on Edmonds. Bats 3rd in the Cardinal order. Same with Jones. bats in a RBI position. No one equal to Edmonds for circus catches or Jones for speed (maybe some) getting to the ball but the damon total package is just what the doctor ordered for the Yankees...leadoff man who scores runs even if his OBP isn't equal to Edmonds. Not as fast as Jones but can run 'em down.

Right man at the right place at the right time is synergistic for the rest of his team and I am going to love seeing Jeter in his natural spot in the BO.

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#155333 --- 12/26/05 03:46 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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I am going to love seeing someone in the clubhouse who can
loosin' it up a bit via crazy/fun antics ! A possible cure for ARod's
post season what ails ya blues !


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#155334 --- 12/26/05 10:36 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Let's compare Edmonds to Damon.

Edmonds? 36 this June.
2003, BA .275, RBI 89, HR 39, R, 89, H 123, SB, 1
2004, BA .301, RBI 111, HR 42, R, 102, H 150, SB, 8
2005, BA .263, RB1 89, HR 29, R, 88, H, 123, SB, 5

Damon, 33 November 2006 (World Series Birthday, perhaps?)
2003, BA .273, RBI, 67, HR, 12, R, 103, H, 166, SB, 30
2004, BA .304, RBI, 94, HR, 20, R, 123, H, 189, SB, 19
2005, BA .316, RBI, 75, HR, 10, R, 117, H, 197, SB, 18

Plus, Damon has averaged almost 100 more ab's a year over that span. I'll take Damon. But HR's? Yeah, there are a few people behind Damon in that order that will cover the HR total! Better fit overall for the Yanks.
There is something to be said for total stats, Edmonds might be better on paper (glove is *pretty good* lol) but the Yanks have been looking for a leadoff hitter for how many years? So, yes, batting 3rd for the Cardinals is nice, but how would Jimmy do batting first? Not so good, not as well as Damon. Being a leadoff hitter more than makes up for any statistical negatives between the two.

But, if Andruw Jones was available, Johnny Who?
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#155335 --- 12/27/05 06:44 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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The hit and RBI differentials tell the story. One is paid to have a looping, long ball swing. One is paid to hit singles.

Classic comparison of 2 players who are paid to do different things and both do them well. I'm not sure i want a 30 HR man as my leadoff batter anyway. Soriano got correctly moved down in the order at Texas.

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#155336 --- 12/28/05 05:38 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Well alrighty then, what WILL be the Yankee batting order next year? Damon first, Jeter second. What next? Who bats clean up? The bottom is easy, Posada, Williams and Cano (or maybe they switch Cano so they can do the righty-lefty throughout the order).

Let's go Yankees fans, post the 3 thru 6 batters among Giambi, Matsui, Sheffield, A-Rod. Who get the nod at clean up? Do they righty-lefty all the way or have a run of righties? Not Joe's way!

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#155337 --- 12/29/05 06:29 AM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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3rd: A-Rod 4th: Giambi 5th: Sheffield 6th: Matsui to start the year. I think this part of the lineup will be changed quite a bit based on who is or isn't hitting. This lineup also gives them the lefty/righty combo throughout the lineup.
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#155338 --- 12/29/05 07:39 AM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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How the hell am I supposed to root for Johnny Freakin Damon? I don't care how good he is, he'll always be a Red Sock in my book.

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#155339 --- 12/29/05 12:30 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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"Use the Force", Dub!!! The Dark Side is having a recent power surge. Caution: Post-Season emplosion ahead for 2006, NO DOUBT!!

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#155340 --- 12/30/05 03:30 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Is that your prediction or your hope wedggie? You know I've joked about the Sox finishing in 4th. I'm not sure if Toronto, with all their "loading up" will mesh well OR can handle success. Baltimore is of course dead before the season starts as is Tampa Bay.

2nd place looks do-able for the Sox. Question is will it be good enough for the wild card?

p.s. I like your line up mutantmaster even though it does NOT give them righty-lefty throughout (Jeter & A-Rod are both righties) but I don't think they want to sacrifice the speed the A-Rod has by pushing him down in the order. Also, Sheffiled will need to be "sold" on batting 5th by Torre so there's no ego bruising. Matsui? He doesn't care I think.

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#155341 --- 12/30/05 07:10 PM Re: NEW YORK YANKEES 2005
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Is that your prediction or your hope wedggie?





BOTH!

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